EPTOn November 01 2012 05:00 MotherOfRunes wrote:
i was speaking general while the op already accomplished the first steps, which makes me happy for him. nothing was really directed towards him alone
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On November 01 2012 03:44 hmsrenown wrote:
Like I said, come up with more convincing arguments please, and use proper examples.
Pursuing gaming while one is young isn't all bad. It would be particularly hard if someone is taking out a loan for school, is already working a job to support himself through engineering program, etc. etc. But from all the inference, I have to think that my fellow Torontonian is in a much much better position than what I just said. One more factor to consider is the skill level of the person. In this case, I happen to think there is a bright future for him with NTH. Sponsorship and tournament success may be more probable than not in this case.
Thus, on a case-by-case basis on both personal background and ability to succeed, I have to think in this case it is not too bad of an idea. In addition, going through the regime for a summer as a trial run could be good. If this "summer job" doesn't work, he can still go back to school and finish his degree without any delay at all.
My conclusion is there is certainly risk, but it is VERY manageable in OP's case. Therefore, I think some comments are overly harsh in this scenario.
On November 01 2012 00:45 MotherOfRunes wrote:
easy to say that when u only pick up the nazgul argument while leaving all the other hard arguments uncommented. and nazgul went from pure gaming to something serious about gaming A REAL COMPANY and thats great still you cant compare it to his life before where the only thing he had worry about was the his play.
and you think about what you said. the arguments of salary, recognition etc goes hand in hand with my other hard arguments about social risks and dangers in world that will become something other then many of us used to know. in a world where economies will continue to fall apart. where depts cant be payed back. whrere the gap between rich and poor grows. in a world that makes getting a solid job/education harder and harder. where a smal mistep in your timeline can mean the world for your life. like forced to work at a job that barely allows you to live from it until you'rr old and grey. you just need to realize what is REALLY going on outthere. only by that you can really meassure the risks that can come with the gaming thing. and i never said here that people should stop chasing their dreams. i just want people to think harder if thats what they really want. think harder about the all the risks. and to not being blinded by their current life so far. blinded by their iPods, fancy computers, all the other gadgets, the warm water coming out of their showers every day and last but not least the food in the fridge. many people here are young and probably only know the live they had living with their parents going to school. or living with room mates near the univerity they go to, paid by their parents or their country. where putting time in the thing you love seems so easy and right
On November 01 2012 00:27 hmsrenown wrote:
Where did Nazgul start his business career? Pro-gaming and poker, things from your post that would be dismissed as "sitting 24/7 in front[sic] of a pc".
Your argument may have merit because the attrition rate in EU/NA dota scene is high and current salary, recognition, etc. just isn't there yet for a break from school. But your way of making argument had been unconvincing to say the least.
On October 31 2012 23:51 MotherOfRunes wrote:
the next one who feels offended as a gamer and also the next one who didnt read my post carefully.
its funny how you compare 3 examples who are more or less totally different form what we are talking here about.
for example how the hell can you compare a ololol "pro gamer" (its still funny how you call them "pros" in the dota scene since in terms of practise and discipline none expect the chinses is really "pro") with nazgul who made a REAL business he is running a company bro thats 2 different worlds, his company maybe is doing esports stuff but im sure if you ask nazgul, he will tell you that he didnt do it by sitting 24/7 infront of a pc.
and yeah some just want to do music in life, because it makes em happy. nothing against that aslong as the guy doesnt do it while sitting in his room alone 24/7 365 days a year....the two replies to my post
really mady my day. it showed how immature and naiv gamers can be if you write something against hardcore gaming and wasting precious life in your time. totally ignoring all the social risks and dangers....and its easy to say "this is what makes me REALLY happy" because there are many people who are REALLY happy no matter what they do aslong as it isnt work/school. and dont call non-chinese "pros" hard working people in dota
On October 31 2012 06:14 how2TL wrote:
What if strumming a slab of wood affixed with 6 strings is what really makes you happy in this world?
What if dumping coloured chemicals on a canvas is what really makes you happy in this world?
What if running a professional E-sports team is what really makes you happy in this world?
Please tell me you think something is wrong with Nazgul and that he has indications of sociopathy.
At any point in your life you can "settle down". Not many both get the opportunity to do what they've dreamed of doing and then subsequently succeed.
On October 30 2012 21:47 MotherOfRunes wrote:
well i also prefer to do what makes me happy instead of rich. but you need to accept the consequences. people need to realize that esports is far from being accepted in our society. people are blinded by hypes, some public articles and cool events, like in the 2 years of sc2. and you can see where sc2 is heading, nowhere, it already reached its peak long ago. same will go probably go for dota (expect china maybe).
and the consquences i mentioned can be really devastating. since the financial and economical situation of the world will only go further down to hell, you maybe wanna realize that the number of poor people will grow and it will be harder to get jobs....and lets say ur 21 now and stop your real life for 3 years of dota, lets even say you become really good and succesful for 4-5 years. then this guy would be 25-26 when he realizes he cant make a living with it anymore. and believe me there is nothing worse when a human resources manager reviews your application and sees a hole for 4-5 years in your timeline. and then you ahve to explain it with computer games? even if its on professional level the most guys reading your application will think your a lazy slacker who just spend his time playing computer games all his life . being in a situation like that, when the job market will be a hard battlefield in the near future, can be really horrible.
and something must be wrong with you if the thing that makes you REALLY happy or happy the most, is playing computer games allday, even if its on professional level. normally it indicats sociopaths who have problems in real life (no girlfiends or rarely having girlfriends, being to lazy for school/work or people who just dont liek "real" people around him)
stay in school kids and try to rethink what u really want from life
because the real thing is outthere, and not in this small box
well i also prefer to do what makes me happy instead of rich. but you need to accept the consequences. people need to realize that esports is far from being accepted in our society. people are blinded by hypes, some public articles and cool events, like in the 2 years of sc2. and you can see where sc2 is heading, nowhere, it already reached its peak long ago. same will go probably go for dota (expect china maybe).
and the consquences i mentioned can be really devastating. since the financial and economical situation of the world will only go further down to hell, you maybe wanna realize that the number of poor people will grow and it will be harder to get jobs....and lets say ur 21 now and stop your real life for 3 years of dota, lets even say you become really good and succesful for 4-5 years. then this guy would be 25-26 when he realizes he cant make a living with it anymore. and believe me there is nothing worse when a human resources manager reviews your application and sees a hole for 4-5 years in your timeline. and then you ahve to explain it with computer games? even if its on professional level the most guys reading your application will think your a lazy slacker who just spend his time playing computer games all his life . being in a situation like that, when the job market will be a hard battlefield in the near future, can be really horrible.
and something must be wrong with you if the thing that makes you REALLY happy or happy the most, is playing computer games allday, even if its on professional level. normally it indicats sociopaths who have problems in real life (no girlfiends or rarely having girlfriends, being to lazy for school/work or people who just dont liek "real" people around him)
stay in school kids and try to rethink what u really want from life
because the real thing is outthere, and not in this small box
What if strumming a slab of wood affixed with 6 strings is what really makes you happy in this world?
What if dumping coloured chemicals on a canvas is what really makes you happy in this world?
What if running a professional E-sports team is what really makes you happy in this world?
Please tell me you think something is wrong with Nazgul and that he has indications of sociopathy.
At any point in your life you can "settle down". Not many both get the opportunity to do what they've dreamed of doing and then subsequently succeed.
the next one who feels offended as a gamer and also the next one who didnt read my post carefully.
its funny how you compare 3 examples who are more or less totally different form what we are talking here about.
for example how the hell can you compare a ololol "pro gamer" (its still funny how you call them "pros" in the dota scene since in terms of practise and discipline none expect the chinses is really "pro") with nazgul who made a REAL business he is running a company bro thats 2 different worlds, his company maybe is doing esports stuff but im sure if you ask nazgul, he will tell you that he didnt do it by sitting 24/7 infront of a pc.
and yeah some just want to do music in life, because it makes em happy. nothing against that aslong as the guy doesnt do it while sitting in his room alone 24/7 365 days a year....the two replies to my post
really mady my day. it showed how immature and naiv gamers can be if you write something against hardcore gaming and wasting precious life in your time. totally ignoring all the social risks and dangers....and its easy to say "this is what makes me REALLY happy" because there are many people who are REALLY happy no matter what they do aslong as it isnt work/school. and dont call non-chinese "pros" hard working people in dota
Where did Nazgul start his business career? Pro-gaming and poker, things from your post that would be dismissed as "sitting 24/7 in front[sic] of a pc".
Your argument may have merit because the attrition rate in EU/NA dota scene is high and current salary, recognition, etc. just isn't there yet for a break from school. But your way of making argument had been unconvincing to say the least.
easy to say that when u only pick up the nazgul argument while leaving all the other hard arguments uncommented. and nazgul went from pure gaming to something serious about gaming A REAL COMPANY and thats great still you cant compare it to his life before where the only thing he had worry about was the his play.
and you think about what you said. the arguments of salary, recognition etc goes hand in hand with my other hard arguments about social risks and dangers in world that will become something other then many of us used to know. in a world where economies will continue to fall apart. where depts cant be payed back. whrere the gap between rich and poor grows. in a world that makes getting a solid job/education harder and harder. where a smal mistep in your timeline can mean the world for your life. like forced to work at a job that barely allows you to live from it until you'rr old and grey. you just need to realize what is REALLY going on outthere. only by that you can really meassure the risks that can come with the gaming thing. and i never said here that people should stop chasing their dreams. i just want people to think harder if thats what they really want. think harder about the all the risks. and to not being blinded by their current life so far. blinded by their iPods, fancy computers, all the other gadgets, the warm water coming out of their showers every day and last but not least the food in the fridge. many people here are young and probably only know the live they had living with their parents going to school. or living with room mates near the univerity they go to, paid by their parents or their country. where putting time in the thing you love seems so easy and right
Like I said, come up with more convincing arguments please, and use proper examples.
Pursuing gaming while one is young isn't all bad. It would be particularly hard if someone is taking out a loan for school, is already working a job to support himself through engineering program, etc. etc. But from all the inference, I have to think that my fellow Torontonian is in a much much better position than what I just said. One more factor to consider is the skill level of the person. In this case, I happen to think there is a bright future for him with NTH. Sponsorship and tournament success may be more probable than not in this case.
Thus, on a case-by-case basis on both personal background and ability to succeed, I have to think in this case it is not too bad of an idea. In addition, going through the regime for a summer as a trial run could be good. If this "summer job" doesn't work, he can still go back to school and finish his degree without any delay at all.
My conclusion is there is certainly risk, but it is VERY manageable in OP's case. Therefore, I think some comments are overly harsh in this scenario.
i was speaking general while the op already accomplished the first steps, which makes me happy for him. nothing was really directed towards him alone
Well, the case-by-case nature of such decisions are such that a "in general" statement is not helpful to anyone involved. I hope you can see beyond the financial impact only and think about the entire picture, for example, is the person in question well off without a job, would he/she have a backup option if the pro-gaming route does not work, etc.
Also to consider, would you miss out on a million dollars if there is a magical moment to be had in pursuing the career you're interested in? That is open for all, and I'm sure each have their own response to the question.
