EPTOn November 02 2012 10:44 iEchoic wrote:
This isn't true.
First of all, a lot of engineers love their jobs. Second of all, after you're done with your gaming stint, you'd still end up working a 9-5, but now it'd be a shittier 9-5 and you'll make less money.
That salary cap for engineers is true. If you want to make more, you need to go into the business side of things ( management ) as you move up. The good thing about engineering is that it is well respected pay and is steady with no advanced degree needed, not that you make a massive massive salary. Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 08:19 teamsolid wrote:
Most engineers' salaries cap out eventually in the 100-150K range, so your math is wrong.
On October 31 2012 06:06 iEchoic wrote:
You're interpreting "over a lifetime" to mean "five years". Given that 5 years of industry experience is worth at least $25,000 a year in yearly salary (that's a very conservative number), you'll have lost $750,000 over only thirty years. You'll easily lose $250,000 over the five years not playing, so there's your million. If you're a competent engineer, losing 5 years will cost you a million dollars, at least, over your lifetime.
This post isn't intended to make an argument that it's always a bad choice, just to properly scale the ramifications of making a decision like this. If you're okay with being five years behind your peers and losing $1,000,000 and all the opportunities that comes with that, then do it.
(I am a professional engineer as well, for what it's worth - not that you need to be an engineer to do the simple math here)
On October 30 2012 05:23 Brainling wrote:
As an actual professional in an engineering field, this is BS. It takes me nearly 10 years to make anywhere near a million dollars, let alone millions, and that's if I never consider taxes.
Second, I have a three year gap in my resume when I went on a world trip and sabbatical. Guess how hard it was to get a new job? It wasn't. I took a pay cut of course (which I've recouped and surpassed now), but I had a job within a month of starting to look, because I'm talented and driven and my explanation of taking time off in my mid-20's to go on a world tour was perfectly acceptable.
Good luck to you Envy, follow your dreams. The real world isn't going anywhere.
On October 30 2012 03:23 Heh_ wrote:
If you're putting off an engineering career (what he's doing) then millions of dollars of lost opportunity is correct. Good luck finding a job when there's a 5 year gap on your resume, and are 5 years older than thousands of fresh graduates.
On October 30 2012 01:25 Cubu wrote:
well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.
But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.
On October 30 2012 01:08 Heh_ wrote:
You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.
Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.
On October 30 2012 00:57 Cubu wrote:
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
On October 29 2012 06:48 iEchoic wrote:
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
On October 27 2012 21:31 [Silverflame] wrote:
I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
I love all those guys who do understand that living your dream has nothing to do with big income. Give me the chance to play 5 years on proffesional level while my income will decrease by 10% afterwards... I will take it without even hesitating.
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.
Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.
well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.
But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.
If you're putting off an engineering career (what he's doing) then millions of dollars of lost opportunity is correct. Good luck finding a job when there's a 5 year gap on your resume, and are 5 years older than thousands of fresh graduates.
As an actual professional in an engineering field, this is BS. It takes me nearly 10 years to make anywhere near a million dollars, let alone millions, and that's if I never consider taxes.
Second, I have a three year gap in my resume when I went on a world trip and sabbatical. Guess how hard it was to get a new job? It wasn't. I took a pay cut of course (which I've recouped and surpassed now), but I had a job within a month of starting to look, because I'm talented and driven and my explanation of taking time off in my mid-20's to go on a world tour was perfectly acceptable.
Good luck to you Envy, follow your dreams. The real world isn't going anywhere.
You're interpreting "over a lifetime" to mean "five years". Given that 5 years of industry experience is worth at least $25,000 a year in yearly salary (that's a very conservative number), you'll have lost $750,000 over only thirty years. You'll easily lose $250,000 over the five years not playing, so there's your million. If you're a competent engineer, losing 5 years will cost you a million dollars, at least, over your lifetime.
This post isn't intended to make an argument that it's always a bad choice, just to properly scale the ramifications of making a decision like this. If you're okay with being five years behind your peers and losing $1,000,000 and all the opportunities that comes with that, then do it.
(I am a professional engineer as well, for what it's worth - not that you need to be an engineer to do the simple math here)
Most engineers' salaries cap out eventually in the 100-150K range, so your math is wrong.
This isn't true.
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On November 01 2012 08:44 nath wrote:
that mindset lets me profit off of millions of sheep who think the only way to live in this world is to get a 9-5 job they dont give a shit about and live their life outside it.
On November 01 2012 08:19 teamsolid wrote:
Most engineers' salaries cap out eventually in the 100-150K range, so your math is wrong. It won't be anywhere near $1 million over a lifetime.
On October 31 2012 06:06 iEchoic wrote:
You're interpreting "over a lifetime" to mean "five years". Given that 5 years of industry experience is worth at least $25,000 a year in yearly salary (that's a very conservative number), you'll have lost $750,000 over only thirty years. You'll easily lose $250,000 over the five years not playing, so there's your million. If you're a competent engineer, losing 5 years will cost you a million dollars, at least, over your lifetime.
This post isn't intended to make an argument that it's always a bad choice, just to properly scale the ramifications of making a decision like this. If you're okay with being five years behind your peers and losing $1,000,000 and all the opportunities that comes with that, then do it.
(I am a professional engineer as well, for what it's worth - not that you need to be an engineer to do the simple math here)
On October 30 2012 05:23 Brainling wrote:
As an actual professional in an engineering field, this is BS. It takes me nearly 10 years to make anywhere near a million dollars, let alone millions, and that's if I never consider taxes.
Second, I have a three year gap in my resume when I went on a world trip and sabbatical. Guess how hard it was to get a new job? It wasn't. I took a pay cut of course (which I've recouped and surpassed now), but I had a job within a month of starting to look, because I'm talented and driven and my explanation of taking time off in my mid-20's to go on a world tour was perfectly acceptable.
Good luck to you Envy, follow your dreams. The real world isn't going anywhere.
On October 30 2012 03:23 Heh_ wrote:
If you're putting off an engineering career (what he's doing) then millions of dollars of lost opportunity is correct. Good luck finding a job when there's a 5 year gap on your resume, and are 5 years older than thousands of fresh graduates.
On October 30 2012 01:25 Cubu wrote:
well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.
But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.
On October 30 2012 01:08 Heh_ wrote:
You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.
Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.
On October 30 2012 00:57 Cubu wrote:
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
On October 29 2012 06:48 iEchoic wrote:
[quote]
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
[quote]
Getting an engineering degree at 22 and landing a good job is the start to a very bright career. Getting an engineering degree at 27 disqualifies you from a lot of opportunities. You'll have missed out on 5 years of professional-level income, and you'll be 5 years behind (at best - a 27 year old fresh out of college is a lot less desirable to companies than a 22 year old - and yes, age discrimination exists, and you'll need to explain what the hell you've been doing for the last 10 years).
There are life-changing ramifications to making a decision to drop out of school to play a videogame. A desire to try to go pro at a videogame, in this situation, will most likely cost over a million dollars and an immeasurable amount of happiness over your lifetime. This community's career advice when it comes to this topic is very, very bad (and has been many other times, not just on this thread).
But the problem is you can't quantify happiness and it isn't based on amounts of money beyond basic necessities.
You can't quantify happiness, but after wasting several years of your life on "progaming", it's gonna hit like a truck when you finally realize how much opportunities you've lost while playing video games.
Really, really good post by iEchoic. There's fantasy, and then there's reality.
well when you put it that way, it makes more sense. It's just that what iEchoic described (millions of dollars in opportunity cost and happiness over lifetime) is out of reach to most people who take the standard route of highschool to university and age discrimination is almost non-existent, well at least where i come from.
But isn't it subjective? Maybe for some people, it will hit them like a truck (regret) and maybe some people might feel satisfied about their past being spent in progaming. And when you think about it, alot of people here (the average TL) 'waste' time playing video games so does that mean they have a life full of regret? I feel like these issues are personal, in the sense that these questions are something we ask ourselves and only we know it individually.
If you're putting off an engineering career (what he's doing) then millions of dollars of lost opportunity is correct. Good luck finding a job when there's a 5 year gap on your resume, and are 5 years older than thousands of fresh graduates.
As an actual professional in an engineering field, this is BS. It takes me nearly 10 years to make anywhere near a million dollars, let alone millions, and that's if I never consider taxes.
Second, I have a three year gap in my resume when I went on a world trip and sabbatical. Guess how hard it was to get a new job? It wasn't. I took a pay cut of course (which I've recouped and surpassed now), but I had a job within a month of starting to look, because I'm talented and driven and my explanation of taking time off in my mid-20's to go on a world tour was perfectly acceptable.
Good luck to you Envy, follow your dreams. The real world isn't going anywhere.
You're interpreting "over a lifetime" to mean "five years". Given that 5 years of industry experience is worth at least $25,000 a year in yearly salary (that's a very conservative number), you'll have lost $750,000 over only thirty years. You'll easily lose $250,000 over the five years not playing, so there's your million. If you're a competent engineer, losing 5 years will cost you a million dollars, at least, over your lifetime.
This post isn't intended to make an argument that it's always a bad choice, just to properly scale the ramifications of making a decision like this. If you're okay with being five years behind your peers and losing $1,000,000 and all the opportunities that comes with that, then do it.
(I am a professional engineer as well, for what it's worth - not that you need to be an engineer to do the simple math here)
Most engineers' salaries cap out eventually in the 100-150K range, so your math is wrong. It won't be anywhere near $1 million over a lifetime.
that mindset lets me profit off of millions of sheep who think the only way to live in this world is to get a 9-5 job they dont give a shit about and live their life outside it.
First of all, a lot of engineers love their jobs. Second of all, after you're done with your gaming stint, you'd still end up working a 9-5, but now it'd be a shittier 9-5 and you'll make less money.
