The Tanky DPS 1H+Shield Barbarian - Page 9

On October 27 2012 07:32 So no fek wrote:
I've been farming MP5 pretty easily for awhile, but it was still a bit slow, so along with a weapon upgrade (had a socket, so it increased my DPS by about 18k, from 50k o.O) and dropped a lot of defensive skills.

My current setup hasn't completely updated: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sonofek-1524/hero/27563625

I've replaced Tough as Nails with Weapon Master.

I absolutely tear through normal mobs, and with WotB I tear through blue packs, too. It definitely is easier for me to die, but it's only really a problem in packs that would have been a problem with my old build; I just die quicker to the arcane sentry if three of them spawn on top of me in a narrow hallway.


I was a bit hesitant to swap out WarCry for Battle Rage, but it's a change I can live with even if I go back to one Defensive Passive in the future. There are two things I'm still half tempted to try:

1. Swap out Berserker Rage with another passive. I'll probably keep it as it, since I'm at full fury most of the time except for at the start of the fight or when I use a skill that uses some fury, but I quickly get back up then. I'm tempted to try the Brawler skill, since I'm almost always surrounded by at least 3 enemies, if not more. Though it wouldn't be very helpful for when I actually decide to go kill bosses versus just farming keys.

2. Mess around with Furious Charge. It's a great escape ability and I've grown to like it at least as much as Leap, but I wonder how I'd do if I swapped it out with something else. I'd be curious to see how Sprint would work with the rest of my build; I wouldn't try to become a sword and board WW barb, but I would love to have some more movement speed. The downside would obviously be that if I'm surrounded while tanking something nasty on the ground, I can't escape like I could with Furious Charge/Leap.

On October 27 2012 16:18 findingthelimit wrote:
I honest don't know why my EHP is so low when I input my stats in the calculator :C, here are my stats:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZYXlimitLSR-2987/hero/18083824

it seems like even though i upgrade according to the philosophy as 1 ALLRES = 2 VIT, I am approaching diminishing returns at this point, rolling with 1366 Vitality and ~170 ALLRES.

what should the ratio between vit/ALLRES be? i'm really confuzzled as to what I should get, and what component I should upgrade. I thought i'm at the stage where I should be purchasing items with some CC/CD, until I realized my EHP is horrendously lower than what i expected...

i'm farming infernal MP1 btw.

thanks for your replies in advance!

On October 27 2012 18:07 icyF wrote:


First off, you need to sacrifice some of that DPS for EHP, because dying more while killing faster only nullify eachother. I counted 118 all res, and approximately 50-100 of each res on top of that. This is VERY low. You might want to try Superstition instead of Nerves of Steel, or Ruthless if you can get a bigger increase in EHP while not losing too much DPS.

Also, you might want to consider swapping out at least one of these: belt, boots, pants, chest or shoulders for a piece with 50+ all res. You will most likely have to sacrifice some strength (or vitality, but I don't recommend sacrificing vit if you aim to increase EHP) to do so, but your overall EHP should increase. If you can find a piece of gear that doesn't make you sacrifice anything in return, buy it if it fits your budget.

Your DPS should be enough for farming MP1 fairly efficiently, as long as you don't die

On October 28 2012 02:40 Hairy wrote:
The recommendation that 1 resistance is ~= 1.5 vit is assuming people have roughly standard amounts of health and resistances. Essentially, the OP was basically saying to be careful not to "over-focus" on AR, and that often you may be better cutting the AR slightly and getting a chunk more health instead. Unfortunately, you've misunderstood, and skimped on the AR entirely

All the stats are a balancing act: to get the best character, you want to balance your stats quite evenly. I find it easiest to explain when talking about DPS:

Let's say you have a barbarian with:

100 strength
+75% crit
+600% crit damage
+50% attack speed

This would be silly, but it should illustrate the point - it's obvious that the biggest increase to his DPS would be through increasing his strength. He could get another 100 crit damage, but that wouldn't actually increase his damage very much because his attacks hit for such wimpy damage. As one stat gets higher it's proportional importance decreases, and the OTHER stats increase in importance.

Defense works the same way. To increase your EHP you need basically need to balance AR, vitality, and armour. I hope that made sense!

Use this site to create your own 'class build'. You can import from bnet profiles, so it's very convenient.
http://d3up.com/b/58559 (that's my character). At the right, you can see some statistics. It works out EHP gains by stat, and DPS gains by stat. For example, my EHP ones are:

+1 Armor	52.16
+1 Dexterity	142.42
+1 Intelligence	57.86
+1 Strength	52.16
+1 Vitality	356.77
+1 Resist All	578.62
+1% Life	3,652.72
+1% Block	0
+1% Melee Reduce	4,316.85
+1% Ranged Reduce	4,316.85
+1% Elite Reduce	4,316.85

What I like to do is take those stats, and divide them by vitality to see how important they are in comparison. That would mean:

+1 Armor	0.146
+1 Dexterity	0.399
+1 Intelligence	0.162
+1 Strength	0.146
+1 Vitality	1
+1 Resist All	1.622
+1% Life	        10.238
+1% Melee Reduce	12.099

On May 03 2013 10:38 Big G wrote:
Sadly, Echoing Fury after patch 1.05 has killed sword&board barbs. That +0.25aps is just too much of a difference in terms of dps, and when you have a class with a potential 12% life steal... dps is the only thing that really matters as long as you don't get one-shotted.


http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/scandalo-2837/hero/26653

This is a friend of mine, with one of the best shields on EU server. He likes a balanced setup and loves PvP... but even with godly gear he's slower in PvE than the average dual wield guy.