Barbarian - Builds/Discussion - Page 190

On January 03 2013 20:19 heishe wrote:
I can't keep WotB up in Alkaizer runs. I have 50% crit, 2.44(oh)/2.03(mh) attack speed, and 24% movspeed. Even with anymosity I can't keep it up for more than max 60 seconds at a time. Do I need even more of those stats?

It's fine when there are monsters around, then I can get the WotB ticker to stay at around where it's currently at, but I can rarely increase the seconds left (only when elites or champions + a lot of mobs stand around, e.g. fields of slaughter). then there's undoubtedly going to be a stretch where there simply are not any mobs and then boom WotB gone. I've never run with the same WotB from one zone into the other.

Any suggestions?

On January 03 2013 20:32 Black Gun wrote:

nobody can keep it up for prolonged times in mp0 or mp1 runs, except maybe some dedicated builds that stack attack speed and intentionally skip crit dam. just out of curiosity: can you keep it up for a longer time in mp5 runs?

On January 03 2013 20:51 heishe wrote:


Actually, yeah, it's noticeably easier since elites and champions don't die in 3 seconds. So I just kill mobs too fast?

That's weird, I saw a video on youtube where a dude did runs before MP was introduced, and he had no problems keeping WotB up even though he almost one-hit elites.

On January 03 2013 20:51 heishe wrote:


Actually, yeah, it's noticeably easier since elites and champions don't die in 3 seconds. So I just kill mobs too fast?

That's weird, I saw a video on youtube where a dude did runs before MP was introduced, and he had no problems keeping WotB up even though he almost one-hit elites.

On January 05 2013 03:02 TchousS wrote:
Hello everyone,

Can anyone help me improve my barb?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/addGas-1341/hero/13107900

I have 20mil budget and aiming for high MP farming.. I still have some difficulties on MP6, I think armor is a little low ~~ Also, do you think Paragon matters??

Thank you

On January 05 2013 03:02 TchousS wrote:
Hello everyone,

Can anyone help me improve my barb?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/addGas-1341/hero/13107900

I have 20mil budget and aiming for high MP farming.. I still have some difficulties on MP6, I think armor is a little low ~~ Also, do you think Paragon matters??

Thank you

On January 05 2013 08:24 marttorn wrote:
Hi there, Whirlwind barb with 100k dps (with battle rage; without marauder's rage) at the moment, looking for some tips. Based on my current gear/build/stats, should I do alkaizer runs or go for higher MP runs? Pictures of all gear/exact details on stats is in the spoiler, as well as the build.



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On January 05 2013 04:13 Black Gun wrote:

im sorry to say that, but i think your general gear level is still far away from the level that one needs in order to be as effective on mp4-6 as on mp0-1. atm, you will be very inefficient on mp5.
imho you should stick to mp1 farming until you make about 100-200 million more gold. then, you can think about a setup for mp5 farming or something like that.

On January 05 2013 10:56 Staboteur wrote:


That much? I'm brand new to barb, but my gear is worth like 1/3rd what his is (if that) and I plough through mp0 with things dying in the tornados I spawn just from sprinting around. Surely if you gave his character to someone who understood the ins and outs of barbarian, they could take the value of gear he's got and optimize it so he's got far more balanced stats and could at least run mp3 comfortably, no?

You'll need a better barb to verify, but here are some problem areas worth looking at, imo:

9k armour is a ton. The difference between 6k armour and 9k armour is about 7% damage reduction, while the difference between 580 and 700 all resist is about 4% damage reduction. You could get rid of 1.5k armour, gain 100-150 all resist and have close to the same damage resistance overall. I believe a generally good rule is to aim to keep the damage resist generated from armour close to the damage resist generated from All Resist... and at the moment you're at 75% from armour, and about 60% from all resist. You could probably optimize that and make room for other stats/passives in the process.

Dunno how much your echoing fury cost you or why they're so popular, but all it's really offering you is dps at a decent attack rate (does attack rate matter for barbs?) and moderate dps. You can get 1100+ dps 80% CD 1handers (even 1.4 or 1.5aspd ones, if you're hung up on aspd) for 5m. It really shouldn't be hard to invest 20m into a substantially better mainhand... and besides, isn't chance to fear actually a bad proc for a whirlwind barb? You don't want stuff to run from you!

Also, for purchasing weapons if you're aiming for budget, I'd avoid searching for strength (Pretty sure your exact echoing fury with 90% CD and 0 +str would give more DPS than your current one. There are better stat rolls than str for weapons) but I'd definitely search for vitality. Vit, for some reason, is practically free on weapons. I personally got an 1109 dps 1h spear with 180 vit and 97% CD for 1.5m... and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's near-equivalent DPS to your EF, but with 7k life thrown on top.

Lastly, those Inna's Temperance make me sad. I'm probably wrong, but 9% ias and 1% crit would be as well served as 120 str (you'd probably still lose dps, but gain other stats!), 100 vit, 70+ allres and 2 sockets.I'm seeing those for around 2.5m on NA. To make up for the lost movespeed, I'd consider some Lacunis with 60+ Allres and 80+ vit.

Those two slots (Bracers and pants) right now are providing you 230 str, 9%ias and 5.5%cc as offensive stats, and 55 vit, 8% life, and 370 armor as defensive stats. If you switched to the rare pants I listed (2.5m) and the lacunis I listed (2.5m also) you'd have 200 str and 9% ias as offensive stats, but 180 vit and 130 allres as defensive stats. This would trade 370 armour (probably ~600 after all your buffs, so if you're dropping from 9k to 8.4k its maaaybe 1% less damage resist?) for 130+ allres (150 after warcry buff, which should be about 4% more damage resist) AND provide you a bit more HP overall, while keeping your movespeed bonus... and for only 5 mill.

As for the damage you lose from that (and more importantly the proc chance from %CC) I'd take a good hard look at your +100str +79 allres ring, and see if you can get something with comparable allres, but a 5%+ CC roll and other +damage stats besides (+avg dmg, +str, +CD, +IAS). It looks like if you spend about 10m you could get a substantial improvement on your current ring, gaining up the "lost" damage from the innas/bracer trade without losing the defensive stats already on your current ring.

TLDR:

Aim to balance your armor / all res damage reduction values so they meet at ~65% - 68% damage reduction, rather than one at 75% and one at 60%. This should be a more efficient means of getting damage reduction and free up room for other stats.

Unless there's something I don't know about Echoing Furies, they're frighteningly overpriced for barbs. Rare weapons would give you either better DPS for the same price, or the same DPS for a fraction of the price, freeing up money for other stats.

Oh right, my amu is a thing with 65% critical hit damage, 7.5% cc, 120 str, 77 vit and 16% life. And thank you so much for giving me that analysis - I have about six million gold to spare right now, but I'll have more coming in tomorrow so then I'll be able to replace all I want to. Do you have any suggestions for a new offhand to replace the Bul khatos warrior blood or whatever?

On January 05 2013 11:12 Black Gun wrote:
didnt read all, just some comments:

- 7% additional damage reduction when you already have something like 68 means a lot more than only 7% improvement in ehp. lets say he has 68% dam reduction from armor with 6k armor and 7 more, that is 75%, with 9k armor. this means that instead of taking 32% percent of the nominal monster damage, he only takes 25%. 32/25 = 1.28, that means he has 28% more ehp, not just 7%!
those numbers were made up though and are not correct. if one plugs the formulas for damage reduction from armor and res into the ehp equation, one immediately sees that ehp and armor/res have a linear relation. that means: twice the armor/res, twice the ehp.
- the + 0.2x attacks per second on echoing fury is also applied to the offhand. this is why its so good. additionally, this mod is applied before all increased attack speed mods, so that those also gain "strength" due to this property.
- his gear is easily good enough to "comfortably" farm mp3. nonetheless, it is far away from being good enough to make mp3 farming more efficient than mp1 or mp0; both in terms of exp and in terms of items.