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heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 22:38:40
December 22 2012 22:37 GMT
#3761
Let's say I get together 5 mil to significantly improve this character. What should I upgrade?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Heishe-2334/hero/371205

(note: I have no survivability issues on MP1 so that doesn't need improving, although I'm looking to get both more damage and more survivability in the long run to go at mp2 and above, but with 5 mil I guess this won't do)
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 11:23:02
December 23 2012 11:09 GMT
#3762
Eh, you have some options...

- Tyrael's Might with vit/socket/life% for example, so you can remove your Lacuni (I don't like 'em without cc) and get a pair of good Strongarm Bracers or equivalent.

- IK helm and gloves for the set bonus

- Jewelry with str + ias + cc (the cd you have on weapons is enough)

- your shoulders and pants are weak, search for 70+ resistances on shoulders and 200+vit and 2 socket on pants
Jayte
Profile Joined July 2012
5 Posts
December 24 2012 03:02 GMT
#3763
Hi guys,

Appreciate some advise on what to upgrade next for my barb, just gotten back to diablo after a long break

Have a little over 1 mil to work with at the moment which isnt much...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/jtsern-6656/hero/13104360
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 24 2012 14:18 GMT
#3764
On December 23 2012 20:09 Big G wrote:
Eh, you have some options...

- Tyrael's Might with vit/socket/life% for example, so you can remove your Lacuni (I don't like 'em without cc) and get a pair of good Strongarm Bracers or equivalent.

- IK helm and gloves for the set bonus

- Jewelry with str + ias + cc (the cd you have on weapons is enough)

- your shoulders and pants are weak, search for 70+ resistances on shoulders and 200+vit and 2 socket on pants



i would also add his offhand, there are cheap offhands equivalent to yours with attackspeed and more critdamage available.
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Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-24 21:17:07
December 24 2012 20:58 GMT
#3765
Hey guys!
I'm looking to buy a good helm for a WW barb with a budget around 1mil.
Any recommendations as to what the AH filters and stats should be to realistically find a good helm for that price?
Current helm is awful, not worth linking.
Thanks!
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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-24 22:05:40
December 24 2012 22:03 GMT
#3766
1 mil? Probably an Andariel's Visage. Search for the lowest possible fire damage (5%) and 9% ias, then the random roll is your choice. I don't think you can afford a socket, so try with life%, or vitality, or ~50res, or 200+ strenght depending on your needs.

Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
December 24 2012 22:04 GMT
#3767
On December 25 2012 07:03 Big G wrote:
1 mil? Probably an Andariel's Visage. Search for the lowest possible fire damage (5%) and 9% ias, then the random roll is your choice. I don't think you can afford a socket, so try with life%, or vitality, or ~50res, or 200+ strenght depending on your needs.



Thank youuu
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 03:48:06
December 25 2012 03:47 GMT
#3768
hi guys,

this is my barb:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592

budget is around 60-70 million - do you have any suggestions on how to best spend this?

I somehow feel like i'm in that weird spot where my items are only marginally better than 1-5 mil ones, but at the same time, even marginal upgrades would immediately cost 50 mil + for each single piece....
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
December 25 2012 06:54 GMT
#3769
On December 25 2012 12:47 Black Gun wrote:
hi guys,

this is my barb:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592

budget is around 60-70 million - do you have any suggestions on how to best spend this?

I somehow feel like i'm in that weird spot where my items are only marginally better than 1-5 mil ones, but at the same time, even marginal upgrades would immediately cost 50 mil + for each single piece....


The 2 piece ik set bonus is almost too good not to have. I'd get whatever two pieces you want and then upgrade your lacunis to crit chance (drop ar) or drop the all res on your ring or elsewhere and upgrade to be more damaged focused.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Keltor
Profile Joined February 2011
28 Posts
December 25 2012 09:59 GMT
#3770
Hi guys!

I'm a Hardcore only Player and just reached 60!

The Problem is that i never played in inferno and don't exactly know things like gear requirement

My Budget is reaaaallllyyy low. So i would like to get some advices for my gear

Barb Link

Thx

Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 11:00:24
December 25 2012 10:50 GMT
#3771
On December 25 2012 12:47 Black Gun wrote:
hi guys,

this is my barb:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592

budget is around 60-70 million - do you have any suggestions on how to best spend this?

I somehow feel like i'm in that weird spot where my items are only marginally better than 1-5 mil ones, but at the same time, even marginal upgrades would immediately cost 50 mil + for each single piece....

Well, you have enough money for the complete IK set, which I'm a huge fan of, even though your gloves are a bit harder to replace.

Helm: IK helm with 170+ strenght. You can probably find one with 6%cc between the cheapest if you take some time to snipe the 1d11h auctions. Otherwise I would recommend to search for +armor, which is very undervalued in AH, particularly in free bid auctions.

Shoulders: you may drop a bit of vitality and gain easily 100ish strenght I guess, if you manage to move the pickup radius to another slot. I know it's hard.

Amulet it's ok if you need that loh.

Chest: obvious choice, the cheapest IK chests (15-25mil) are better than yours. Search for the better str+vit combined in that price range; strenght is more expensive, so search for 80+ vit (I bought one with 150str/80vit for 20mil just yesterday, and as a christmas present I see that prices are dropping a bit this morning). For the random roll I would suggest a specific resistance, or life regeneration. Sometimes you may find pickup radius for free, so always take a look at the most recent auctions.

Bracers are fine, I would wait a bit more for a major upgrade (cc).

Gloves, same. IK with ias are very expensive, so no need to replace them.

Belt: IK Belt may be an overall improvement. Search for 170+ str and 10%life, if you take some time you'll probably gain 20res, some life, a nice skill bonus (Bash would be perfect), +fury which makes fury management a bit more comfortable, and the set bonus as well. You're going to lose 20ish strength for that.

Ring: with the changes I mentioned, you'll end up with a lor more survivability, so you may want to drop loh and/or resistances for more offensive stats. Search maybe for +damage (on top of cc and ias), is usually undervalued.

Pants: you can easily gain 20res and 50vit (so you can put rubies in it), maybe at the cost of armor.

Boots: if you have already 3 IK set pieces, I wouldn't replace your boots.

Weapons seems ok, orat least I'm too lazy to look for offhand prices.


So I would spend something like 5-10mil for the helm, 20 for chest, 10 for belt, maaaybe 5-10 for pants and the rest for a good ring. I would drop loh entirely if you play at lower MPs (unless you want a witching hour).

Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 15:39:46
December 25 2012 15:35 GMT
#3772
On December 25 2012 15:54 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2012 12:47 Black Gun wrote:
hi guys,

this is my barb:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592

budget is around 60-70 million - do you have any suggestions on how to best spend this?

I somehow feel like i'm in that weird spot where my items are only marginally better than 1-5 mil ones, but at the same time, even marginal upgrades would immediately cost 50 mil + for each single piece....


The 2 piece ik set bonus is almost too good not to have. I'd get whatever two pieces you want and then upgrade your lacunis to crit chance (drop ar) or drop the all res on your ring or elsewhere and upgrade to be more damaged focused.


yes, this was also my sentiment. a) i could/should get the 2 piece IK bonus and b) a more damage focused setup, probably the left ring needs replacement.




On December 25 2012 19:50 Big G wrote:

Well, you have enough money for the complete IK set, which I'm a huge fan of, even though your gloves are a bit harder to replace.

Helm: IK helm with 170+ strenght. You can probably find one with 6%cc between the cheapest if you take some time to snipe the 1d11h auctions. Otherwise I would recommend to search for +armor, which is very undervalued in AH, particularly in free bid auctions.

[...]
Chest: obvious choice, the cheapest IK chests (15-25mil) are better than yours. Search for the better str+vit combined in that price range; strenght is more expensive, so search for 80+ vit (I bought one with 150str/80vit for 20mil just yesterday, and as a christmas present I see that prices are dropping a bit this morning). For the random roll I would suggest a specific resistance, or life regeneration. Sometimes you may find pickup radius for free, so always take a look at the most recent auctions.


hmm, i already thought about IK helm, but i would effectively trade ~100 str for the 68 ar i'd lose on my current helm - which would be made up again by the ik set bonus.

about the IK chest: i should have mentioned that i am playing on EU - there, the prices are quite a bit higher than on US. this means that a 15-20 mil IK chest is definitely NOT better than my current one. i would probably have to spend 25-30 mil to get an IK chest that is a slight upgrade to my current chest. this in combination with the IK helm would mean that i have a net gain of ~ 30 ar and 100-150 str and the possible free stat on the IK chest for the price of 30-40 million. Im not really convinced that this is worth it...



Shoulders: you may drop a bit of vitality and gain easily 100ish strenght I guess, if you manage to move the pickup radius to another slot. I know it's hard.


well, yes, i know that my shoulders could carry some more str, but replacing the pickup radius is very hard. and i dont want to drop the life % stat on the shoulders - imho, it is quite undervalued and thus "cheap". and playing without any pickup radius is of course inacceptable. maybe i could find pickup radius on the IK chest - then, finding a cheap upgrade for my shoulders should be np.

Amulet it's ok if you need that loh.


actually yes, i do. i am, however, looking for an amulet with similar stats and 170+ str. but hard to find for a reasonable price. my current amu was sniped for only 5 mil, which was quite the steal for euro prices...

Bracers are fine, I would wait a bit more for a major upgrade (cc).


im kinda torn here. charger, for example, also recommended to switch my lacunis for more offensive ones...
i am currently considering lacunis with ~60-70 str, some fire or phys res and cc. so i would drop many unimportant res and some vit for slightly more str and some cc. but im not convinced by that option either. the ratio between the benefit and the percentage of my fundings that i would have to spend for them seems too unfavorable at this point in time. maybe when i got several hundreds of mils to spend.


Gloves, same. IK with ias are very expensive, so no need to replace them.


agreed. i love my gloves =)

Belt: IK Belt may be an overall improvement. Search for 170+ str and 10%life, if you take some time you'll probably gain 20res, some life, a nice skill bonus (Bash would be perfect), +fury which makes fury management a bit more comfortable, and the set bonus as well. You're going to lose 20ish strength for that.


also something that i already considered. however, i would have to spend something like 8-20 mil on such a belt that in itself provides almost no upgrade to my current one, so im hesitant.

Ring: with the changes I mentioned, you'll end up with a lor more survivability, so you may want to drop loh and/or resistances for more offensive stats. Search maybe for +damage (on top of cc and ias), is usually undervalued.


i think that my left ring is the piece where i could get the largest increase of dps for the lowest price. as my overall gear is rather defensive right now, i think i could easily cope with losing the loh and ar on it. but which ring would you suggest for the largest dps increase? rare, unity, wailing host, soj?
i am currently leaning towards a unity - it provides 170+ str, some +dam, some loh (why not), 4.5 cc and 4% bonus to elites, which in my eyes is a very underrated stat.
on the other hand, i think that i need 5% more ias to reach the next breakpoint, so it would make sense to get them on the ring. but then again, i am thinking about getting an echoing fury in the intermediate future, which would render all previous ias calculations worthless...

Pants: you can easily gain 20res and 50vit (so you can put rubies in it), maybe at the cost of armor.


good point, but then again, the costs compared to the benefits seem so high. t.t
but maybe i should at least switch one amethyst for a ruby for more bang.

Boots: if you have already 3 IK set pieces, I wouldn't replace your boots.

my boots are the only selffound item that I am still wearing. oh the nostalgia.


Weapons seems ok, orat least I'm too lazy to look for offhand prices.

i am currently looking for a new offhand with similar stats to mine, except without the loh and with cd instead. so 160+ str, 700+ dps, socket, 40+ cd and lifesteal. i think i will find a nice one like that rather soon, just gotta be patient for some more days.

I would drop loh entirely if you play at lower MPs (unless you want a witching hour).
i dont think my dps is high enough to generate enough sustain through lifesteal alone.




thanks to both of you for your answers. even if there seems to be no "apparent solution that I miraculously missed", it is comforting that you also seem to think that i would have to rearrange several item at once to see significant improvements.

I think my conclusion is that i get a more offensive left ring and the dagger upgrade that i described. perspectively, i will look for ik helm, chest and belts and also for shoulders and pants. in the long run, an echoing fury and cc lacunis are on the list.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-25 16:15:47
December 25 2012 16:12 GMT
#3773
As you can see I'm Italian, so EU server as well.

You won't find a miracle with that budget, so small increases are expected due to how the Diablo economy works. With 1mil you can get a 1000dps weapon, but if you want 1100dps (+10%) you need 10 million, and for 1200dps you need 100 million (random numbers). At my level, which is average (http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709), even with 150-200mil there is no improvement, only tradeoff. Lose EHP here, gain DPS there. At least you can still improve.


Helm: as I said, you can get 6%cc (+1%) and/or armor for a reasonable price. And 5-6% reduced melee damage as well - I'm too lazy to see what it really means in terms of EHP but I assure you is something more than a random stat.

Chest: I know that yours is a bit better for str/vit combined, but you have enough vitality and you're going to gain a lot of EHP regardless via resistance/armor/IK bonus, so with an IK chest you're fundamentally gaining ~50 strenght, thus a bit of dps in a mainly defensive slot. I know that it sounds not so amazing for 20 million, but as I said that's expected. Take in mind that more EHP and more DPS means that you can give most, if not all, your loh and thus gain something like 15k dps between your ring and your amulet.

Belt: as I said, 10 million maximum if you have enough patience. I'm pretty confident in this because I geared all my friends' barb. :D

Boots: I forgot to mention that if you increase your EHP you can replace them with Firewalkers with 230-250str and vit, dropping the resistances. They're fairly cheap.


Anyway, I love the IK set bonus and I play rarely sprint-WW, so I'm probably biased.


Edit: yeah echoing fury is a must, forgot to mention that.

KichSC
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom29 Posts
December 26 2012 00:31 GMT
#3774
I am looking to upgrade my barb set but have no idea what to buy and spend my money on. I am only looking to increase my farming speed and have 40m to do this.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kich-2482/hero/16556753

I play a DH and do not know how to gear a barb so any help will be appreciated
RabidSeagull
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 17:00:57
December 26 2012 03:54 GMT
#3775
On December 26 2012 09:31 KichSC wrote:
I am looking to upgrade my barb set but have no idea what to buy and spend my money on. I am only looking to increase my farming speed and have 40m to do this.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kich-2482/hero/16556753

I play a DH and do not know how to gear a barb so any help will be appreciated

I'd start by buying socketed weapons. Mainhand pick up an Axe or a Mace with a socket and >40%CD and strength if you can afford it. Offhand dagger with socket >40%CD and >2.5%ls or 700LOH, strength if you can afford it. *edit* buy star or flawless star gems the 70 or 80%, they are usually only 1 or 2 mil and this will increase your CD as well as set you up to eventually have 100% ones in there.

Next, your vile ward and mempo are both not very good, you can get a rare shoulder with similar stats and vitality added for very very cheap and you could probably do better than your mempo with a budget Andarials Visage (search for low %fire damage and a socket and str obv).
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Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-26 04:32:14
December 26 2012 04:30 GMT
#3776
What? Actually with socketed weapons he needs high level gems, which take most part of its budget just to even up its current cd. He has a lot of stuff that's replaceable with less money.

Helm: Mempo or Immortal King with 170+str, or Andariel's Visage if you end up with enough survivability.

Shoulders: search for 190+str, 100vit and 70res

Amulet: search for strenght, 9.5cc and 50cd (drop resistances)

Chest: it's not that bad. Try maybe a Blackthorne Surcoat, search for strenght and 170+ vit.

Gloves: hmmm I guess you can keep 'em.

Bracers: replace the rest of your gear first and see if you have enough survivability, then we'll see. You can probably drop those 70res and maaybe you can afford the cheapest Lacuni with str and cc.

Belt: Ik with 170+str and life%. Right now there is one with 7%life at 3 million.

Rings: strenght, cc, ias.

Pants: add 80-100 vitality.

Boots: IK boots so you get the set bonus.
WaZ
Profile Joined December 2010
United States108 Posts
December 27 2012 08:53 GMT
#3777
if anyone has some weapon throw experience/understanding I have a question for you~

decided to switch from hota into a throw barb for a couple reasons but just did my first run on mp8 and I survived fine (some problems with waller + arcane but pack of reflect + extra hp + electrified + horde was np which made up for it) but it just felt a lot slower than I was expecting T_T wasn't horrible just my dps drop from hota to throw feels like I musta did something wrong gearing but im just not sure if anyone could take a look i'd appreciate it

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/WaZ-1854/hero/20269737

it felt like I had more than enough fury the entire time so I think I can break up my ik set and try to find a str + 2/3/4 weapon throw fury witching hour for some extra dps but my strength is a little low too so idk im grateful for any advice I don't have too much cash atm for upgrades just ~30mil + whatever I can get for the items getting replaced but I don't mind saving up awhile for a big upgrade if necessary too

thanks <3
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-27 14:26:33
December 27 2012 10:34 GMT
#3778
Well, if you can afford it, a good Echoing Fury is a big improvement.

I experimented a lot with WT but (as usual) my builds are self-made so I probably missed something obvious as well. Anyway, I had the feeling that WT in itself does too little damage. It's like spamming a primary attack, and that's a terrible feeling to me since I'm used to spam HotA that does three times WT damage and crits a lot more. Sure, you can use Sprint/RLTW for extra damage but then I don't see the point in using WT.
Actually I think that a ranged build is useful in some situations, like when your survivability is low, for chasing some annoying monsters, for ubers etc. But in the current state of D3 (alkaizer runs all day long) almost nobody has these problems anymore. It seems very interesting for PvP though, so I keep my WT set in the stash regardless.


Anyway, the best variation I saw (never tried though) uses Ancient Spear and RLTW as main sources of damage, which makes more sense to me. Ancient Spear in itself does more damage than WT and has comparable/better AoE with the rune that pierces through enemies. Kite while Sprint generates tornadoes, then drag monsters with Ancient Spear through them. No Escape resets the spear cooldown, rinse and repeat.
LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
December 30 2012 05:25 GMT
#3779
What should I upgrade next? My gears havent changed for several months now, and Im kinda losing interest grinding without any upgrades ><

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163
WaZ
Profile Joined December 2010
United States108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 05:29:01
December 30 2012 05:26 GMT
#3780
made a few changes cant afford a worthwhile echoing yet T_T but I did get a slightly better weapon and broke up my ik set it definetly feels a lot better now at least~ I was wondering which item you think I should change for my +24% movespeed tho I was kinda thinking a crit lacunis but innas temperance or going back to ik boots also possibilities
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/WaZ-1854/hero/20269737
afterwords definitely saving up for a better weapon

also I tested out the ancient spear build i couldnt really get it to work but I do kinda like ancient spear itself now for bigger mobs
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