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You drop a hydra and arcane orb until either you or the mobs are dead. The utility skill is generally something like teleport/familiar/mirror image.
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I just did ur test against azmodan and got completely different results.
2hander, 198 dps/.9AS - 6.8seconds, 6.6seconds, 6.5seconds.
1hander 198.2dps/1.4AS - 5.8 seconds, 5.9seconds, 5.5seconds
given the 1hander has slightly better damage these look about equal. which means hydra only cares about DPS and doesnt even look at AS... like every other place i've read.
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Ok Phael, following your advice i have this build:
Diamond Skin - Crystal Shell
Familiar - Sparkflint
Magic Weapon - Force Weapon
Energy Armor - Force Armor
Hydra - Venom Hydra
Arcane Orb - Tap the Source
Glass Cannon
Arcane Presence
Temporal Flux
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On June 22 2012 06:14 Entertaining wrote:
I just did ur test against azmodan and got completely different results.
2hander, 198 dps/.9AS - 6.8seconds, 6.6seconds, 6.5seconds.
1hander 198.2dps/1.4AS - 5.8 seconds, 5.9seconds, 5.5seconds
given the 1hander has slightly better damage these look about equal. which means hydra only cares about DPS and doesnt even look at AS... like every other place i've read.
The stated DPS on weapons already factors in attack speed. Most spells are based off the base damage (the listed damage range on your weapon, NOT the DPS).
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On June 22 2012 06:18 King.Crimson wrote:
Ok Phael, following your advice i have this build:
Diamond Skin - Crystal Shell
Familiar - Sparkflint
Magic Weapon - Force Weapon
Energy Armor - Force Armor
Hydra - Venom Hydra
Arcane Orb - Tap the Source
Glass Cannon
Arcane Presence
Temporal Flux
And im using Templar follower, i assume he's best.
Edit: oops, double post.
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On June 22 2012 06:21 King.Crimson wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 06:18 King.Crimson wrote:
Ok Phael, following your advice i have this build:
Diamond Skin - Crystal Shell
Familiar - Sparkflint
Magic Weapon - Force Weapon
Energy Armor - Force Armor
Hydra - Venom Hydra
Arcane Orb - Tap the Source
Glass Cannon
Arcane Presence
Temporal Flux And im using Templar follower, i assume he's best. Edit: oops, double post.
i assume you mean astral presence.
templar is the best because he will kind of tank for you--although they commonly ignore him and go around.
as you get higher into inferno and it becomes more difficult, you may want to consider dropping familiar and adding teleport-fracture. also, i have heard rumblings that familiar-sparkflint is actually better than magic weapon-force weapon, because its glitched. it shows higher dps, but it doesn't actually do higher damage.
this is also more of a solo build, if you are going with a group, you should consider alternates.
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given the 1hander has slightly better damage these look about equal. which means hydra only cares about DPS and doesnt even look at AS... like every other place i've read.
Ofc and this is known for months. Dunno what Phael did in his tests to prove his point ...
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Does a weapon factor in intelligence when displaying dps on the AH? Can't seem to figure this one out. I'm using a 2H weapon with 1120 dps with +130 intel, can I treat this an ~1250dps weapon (assuming 1 dps = 1 intel if dps and intel are equal)? Or am I completely off base here?
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On June 22 2012 06:45 HowellTime wrote:
Does a weapon factor in intelligence when displaying dps on the AH? Can't seem to figure this one out. I'm using a 2H weapon with 1120 dps with +130 intel, can I treat this an ~1250dps weapon (assuming 1 dps = 1 intel if dps and intel are equal)? Or am I completely off base here?
It doesn't. Always use a DPS calculator/spreadsheet to see how much more dps you are getting. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuCuIwwOof50dGpVRXhOYTZHNUJ3R1dWTmdNdS1TeWc&toomany=true
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On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better.
Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg.
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Well I just spend 54m on items and I have 48k DPS with the weapon buff thing on...
Failed? I was expecting like 80k DPs.
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On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg.
well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine.
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On June 22 2012 07:45 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg. well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine.
99.999% sure they fixed this last patch (the display error on force weapon)
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On June 22 2012 08:44 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 07:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg. well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine. 99.999% sure they fixed this last patch (the display error on force weapon)
yes they did
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On June 22 2012 08:50 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:44 worldsnap wrote:On June 22 2012 07:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg. well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine. 99.999% sure they fixed this last patch (the display error on force weapon) yes they did
thats what i thought.
so, now i am wondering, is force weapon still the better choice? familiar w/ sparkflint is 3% less dmg, but you get the added benefit of the 20% attack on single target.
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On June 22 2012 08:59 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:50 Nizaris wrote:On June 22 2012 08:44 worldsnap wrote:On June 22 2012 07:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg. well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine. 99.999% sure they fixed this last patch (the display error on force weapon) yes they did thats what i thought. so, now i am wondering, is force weapon still the better choice? familiar w/ sparkflint is 3% less dmg, but you get the added benefit of the 20% attack on single target.
I dropped hydra and now i have both force weap + sparkflint. probably worse overall.. but i like seeing big numbers when my orbs crit. I tried dropping teleport but it's just too useful with fracture
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On June 22 2012 13:56 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:50 Nizaris wrote:On June 22 2012 08:44 worldsnap wrote:On June 22 2012 07:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg. well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine. 99.999% sure they fixed this last patch (the display error on force weapon) yes they did thats what i thought. so, now i am wondering, is force weapon still the better choice? familiar w/ sparkflint is 3% less dmg, but you get the added benefit of the 20% attack on single target. I dropped hydra and now i have both force weap + sparkflint. probably worse overall.. but i like seeing big numbers when my orbs crit. I tried dropping teleport but it's just too useful with fracture
it wont affect your crit but you can switch force weapon for venom and then you get the magic weapon bonus plus the venom bonus.
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What's a good/ideal cookie cutter ring look like? I have some pretty terrible int/IAS leftovers that aren't cutting it after the nerf. The ones with int/crit %/crit damage are in the millions even for really low rolls.
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On June 22 2012 14:00 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 13:56 worldsnap wrote:On June 22 2012 08:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:50 Nizaris wrote:On June 22 2012 08:44 worldsnap wrote:On June 22 2012 07:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg. well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine. 99.999% sure they fixed this last patch (the display error on force weapon) yes they did thats what i thought. so, now i am wondering, is force weapon still the better choice? familiar w/ sparkflint is 3% less dmg, but you get the added benefit of the 20% attack on single target. I dropped hydra and now i have both force weap + sparkflint. probably worse overall.. but i like seeing big numbers when my orbs crit. I tried dropping teleport but it's just too useful with fracture it wont affect your crit but you can switch force weapon for venom and then you get the magic weapon bonus plus the venom bonus.
What do you mean by "venom bonus"? Is having something doing venom damage important?
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On June 22 2012 15:16 worldsnap wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 14:00 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 13:56 worldsnap wrote:On June 22 2012 08:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 08:50 Nizaris wrote:On June 22 2012 08:44 worldsnap wrote:On June 22 2012 07:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On June 22 2012 07:01 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 22 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better. Not too sure, really. It gives 2k less DPS for me, but adds on around 3k-10k dmg per cast on anything. I use it because it can proc arcane on crit, but I'm not sure how it stacks up without that. Have to realize that although you gain the familiar dmg, it's only single target while magic weapon will apply to all your spells and give you greater aoe dmg. well, the sparkflint gives you a 12% buff (i assume aoe effective) and an additional familiar projectile (single target, 20%), whereas magic weapon with force weapon only gives you 15% w/ 2% knockback. on paper, familiar looks better, but for some reason force weapon was being counted twice on paper dps. then, someone said it was just paper damage and didn't actually cause additional damage. i was wondering if someone has actually tested this to determine. 99.999% sure they fixed this last patch (the display error on force weapon) yes they did thats what i thought. so, now i am wondering, is force weapon still the better choice? familiar w/ sparkflint is 3% less dmg, but you get the added benefit of the 20% attack on single target. I dropped hydra and now i have both force weap + sparkflint. probably worse overall.. but i like seeing big numbers when my orbs crit. I tried dropping teleport but it's just too useful with fracture it wont affect your crit but you can switch force weapon for venom and then you get the magic weapon bonus plus the venom bonus. What do you mean by "venom bonus"? Is having something doing venom damage important?
it just adds venom damage.
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