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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
June 21 2012 18:59 GMT
#2861
I enjoy running magic missile. So that precludes using slow, heavy hitting AO + 2 handers. Having a sick 1 hander + sick offhand is perfectly fine for this style
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 19:10:27
June 21 2012 19:05 GMT
#2862
Can't help with your jewelry issues there illusive - no access to d3 at work, but that was what I found yesterday with a search for $10 items with int, crit, and crit damage (you don't have to absolutely have 100 int, I'd just put those 4 restrictions in - have int, crit, crit damage, and lower than $10 - and look for the best one).


I agree with u on the weapon speed thing vs base damage, thats why i only look for the highest weapon damage 1,2 speed one handers, so i can hit the hardest having the most affixes possible. The thing in ur comparison is that u didnt account for his weapons + int (if it had any) + offhand +int which should be easily 100+ than just a 2 handers int. remember that to calculate the damage done Int also plays an important role. plus the most important affix that off hands provide , a high crit chance. and that alone buffs ur damage more than 200 base damage.

But what really astonishes me is that u have gone up to 50% crit chance without even using an offhand! how the hell did u do that? 10% gloves + 10% amu + 20% on bracers, helm and rings and the free 5% is just 45%. coz i thought u would need the extra 8% on the off hand to reach 50%.

man sick crit gear, coz im struggling to get it up past 30% and i need the offhand for that, thats my main point with the offhand really, getting more int and crit chance with it. + whatever affixes, but thats just bonus.


I set your stats as the minimum in my search list. You could probably buy a no-statted 1120 dps weapon for 100k, the one I selected had both higher int and vit.

As for my crit rate, I have nat's 2-set which gives me 7% crit, and I use the scoundrel for another 3%. I also use energy armor-pintpoint barrier half the time, which adds another 5% if I feel reckless. Prismatic is obviously better for DR, but mobs have reduced damage now ...

I enjoy running magic missile. So that precludes using slow, heavy hitting AO + 2 handers. Having a sick 1 hander + sick offhand is perfectly fine for this style


Why does using MM preclude 2h? You do (slightly) more damage for cheaper with a 2h compared to a 1h for MM alone. Factor in your support spells like blizzard and hydra that simply ignore your weapon speed, you're doing even more with 2h.

See my calculations about halfway down my huge reply on the last page for straight calculations where I showed a cheaper 2h provided a minimum of 17% more damage and more stats to boot for a standard mm/blizz/hydra spec.
Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
June 21 2012 19:25 GMT
#2863
Very interesting Phael , just bought a 2 hander for the same price as i sold my 1 hander (without orb)... got my dps up from 26k to 33,5k for the same price pretty much ...

But how do you rate stats?

Crit Dmg>Int>Crit%>ASP>Allress>Vit ?!
Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
June 21 2012 19:33 GMT
#2864
What is the general resist all I'll need to clear inferno?
Juissi
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland209 Posts
June 21 2012 19:36 GMT
#2865
Attack speed definitely affects the damage hydra deals. How can you guys still talk about this lol.
iLLusive
Profile Joined March 2010
United States274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 19:56:23
June 21 2012 19:50 GMT
#2866
Well Phael new weapon came in and on switching I gained nearly 7k DPS and weapon I had will easily pay for this one because people will see the 1331 DPS and buy it for 20-25$ np so at worst I am out 5$. So THANK YOU very much for the advice and I will continue to wait out good price on jewelry items. Any suggestions on wrist / helm do I need the legendaries I see Trump and people running with?

Crit hits went from 50k range to now 120k range I love this
The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving.
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 20:02:35
June 21 2012 19:50 GMT
#2867
On June 22 2012 04:25 Onioncookie wrote:
Very interesting Phael , just bought a 2 hander for the same price as i sold my 1 hander (without orb)... got my dps up from 26k to 33,5k for the same price pretty much ...

But how do you rate stats?

Crit Dmg>Int>Crit%>ASP>Allress>Vit ?!


Stat ratings fluctuate on my current gear. Even if one particular stat is more desirable than the other, say, I like crit most of all now due to 327% crit damage, I'm not going to give up a 4% crit 180 int ring for a 5% crit 100 int ring.

My current stats relative to int are something like - 1 crit = 25 int, 1 haste = 13 (fake) int, 1 crit damage = 3.3 int, 1 weapon damage = 1.2 int.

I value 1 int the same as 1 vit. In terms of EH, at my current values, 1 armor = 1 str ~= 0.2 vit, 1 dex ~= 0.4 vit, 1 resist all ~= 1.6 vit, 1% life ~= 8 vit.

Each stat has its own value, and that value is completely gear dependent. I'd recommend you use a calculator spreadsheet to determine what bonus each stat applies for you.

Well Phael new weapon came in and on switching I gained nearly 7k DPS and weapon I had will easily pay for this one because people will see the 1331 DPS and buy it for 20-25$ np so at worst I am out 5$. So THANK YOU very much for the advice and I will continue to wait out good price on jewelry items. Any suggestions on wrist / helm do I need the legendaries I see Trump and people running with?


Grats. Trump's wrist and helm are both very outdated now, it's a matter of whether you are comfortable kiting with your attack speed or not. Just knowing that both items are legendaries though, I'd skip them because all legendaries are disgustingly overpriced for their actual value - only good ones that are actually better than rares should even be close to their prices but people are stupid so prices are high regardless.

Anyway, lacuni also has movement speed which may or may not be a consideration. Overall I'd recommend rare items with solid +int/crit chance, and hopefully a socket for your helm if possible. Int goes up to 250? on a helm and 200 on a bracer if I'm not mistaken, and both can get 6% crit, but you could probably snag deals for 120-150/3% on both with a little bit extra stuff that you would need, like all resists, vit, armor, socket, etc.
Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
June 21 2012 20:33 GMT
#2868
On June 22 2012 04:50 Phael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 04:25 Onioncookie wrote:
Very interesting Phael , just bought a 2 hander for the same price as i sold my 1 hander (without orb)... got my dps up from 26k to 33,5k for the same price pretty much ...

But how do you rate stats?

Crit Dmg>Int>Crit%>ASP>Allress>Vit ?!


Stat ratings fluctuate on my current gear. Even if one particular stat is more desirable than the other, say, I like crit most of all now due to 327% crit damage, I'm not going to give up a 4% crit 180 int ring for a 5% crit 100 int ring.

My current stats relative to int are something like - 1 crit = 25 int, 1 haste = 13 (fake) int, 1 crit damage = 3.3 int, 1 weapon damage = 1.2 int.

I value 1 int the same as 1 vit. In terms of EH, at my current values, 1 armor = 1 str ~= 0.2 vit, 1 dex ~= 0.4 vit, 1 resist all ~= 1.6 vit, 1% life ~= 8 vit.

Each stat has its own value, and that value is completely gear dependent. I'd recommend you use a calculator spreadsheet to determine what bonus each stat applies for you.

Show nested quote +
Well Phael new weapon came in and on switching I gained nearly 7k DPS and weapon I had will easily pay for this one because people will see the 1331 DPS and buy it for 20-25$ np so at worst I am out 5$. So THANK YOU very much for the advice and I will continue to wait out good price on jewelry items. Any suggestions on wrist / helm do I need the legendaries I see Trump and people running with?


Grats. Trump's wrist and helm are both very outdated now, it's a matter of whether you are comfortable kiting with your attack speed or not. Just knowing that both items are legendaries though, I'd skip them because all legendaries are disgustingly overpriced for their actual value - only good ones that are actually better than rares should even be close to their prices but people are stupid so prices are high regardless.

Anyway, lacuni also has movement speed which may or may not be a consideration. Overall I'd recommend rare items with solid +int/crit chance, and hopefully a socket for your helm if possible. Int goes up to 250? on a helm and 200 on a bracer if I'm not mistaken, and both can get 6% crit, but you could probably snag deals for 120-150/3% on both with a little bit extra stuff that you would need, like all resists, vit, armor, socket, etc.


How does one get these values? Everything is based on ur wpn and then u add the stats? Or ur just testing it ?!
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
June 21 2012 20:41 GMT
#2869
Here's a link.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuCuIwwOof50dGpVRXhOYTZHNUJ3R1dWTmdNdS1TeWc&toomany=true#gid=1

WoW-style theorcrafting spreadsheets ... ah, fond memories.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
June 21 2012 20:43 GMT
#2870
On June 22 2012 04:05 Phael wrote:

Why does using MM preclude 2h? You do (slightly) more damage for cheaper with a 2h compared to a 1h for MM alone. Factor in your support spells like blizzard and hydra that simply ignore your weapon speed, you're doing even more with 2h.

See my calculations about halfway down my huge reply on the last page for straight calculations where I showed a cheaper 2h provided a minimum of 17% more damage and more stats to boot for a standard mm/blizz/hydra spec.


Because I enjoy kiting a lot and shooting MM at things with higher attack speed. 1h speed > 2h speed. That's good enough for me. I'm not trying to use T3h_most_Epick_l337_effic14nt_Bu1ld
King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
June 21 2012 20:49 GMT
#2871
+crit chance, crit damage, intelligence, all res? Also i wanna play arcane orb build, blizz hydra too damn boring, what stats should my main hand and offhand have?


You have no dps stats available (outside of specific legendaries that aren't very good, or very expensive) in your chest, belt, pants, shoulders, and boots slots. Get max survivability in those slots - generally a very undervalued stat is armor for wizards. With force armor still a staple, gear with +armor that gives the same mitigation as +all res generally goes for 20-30% of the all res item's value.

For gloves, rings, amulet ... those are your dps stat slots. Focus on int, crit damage, and crit on those slots, in order of price.

Helm and bracers are sort of mixed. If you can find a cheap one with decent stats and crit, go for it, but normally just look for main stats and a socket in the helm.

You should only be using a 2hander, no mainhand/offhand silliness. Socket, crit damage, and intelligence are the most important stats in descending importance. [/QUOTE]

Ok i bought 50E worth of items. I now have 35k hp, 30.5k dps, 450+ all res, 18.5 crit chance, +220% crit damage. Is it good enough to finish act II with? Also, what skills/runes do i use?
Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
June 21 2012 20:49 GMT
#2872
On June 22 2012 05:41 Phael wrote:
Here's a link.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuCuIwwOof50dGpVRXhOYTZHNUJ3R1dWTmdNdS1TeWc&toomany=true#gid=1

WoW-style theorcrafting spreadsheets ... ah, fond memories.


Thank you very much ... very helpfull you are sir!
Depetrify
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
978 Posts
June 21 2012 20:53 GMT
#2873
for 10-15m would a 1h and offhand or 2h be betteR?
Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 20:57:07
June 21 2012 20:55 GMT
#2874
Okay how do i get these into my spreadsheet? o.O googledoc noob here :D

Got it nvm
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
June 21 2012 21:00 GMT
#2875
On June 22 2012 05:43 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 04:05 Phael wrote:

Why does using MM preclude 2h? You do (slightly) more damage for cheaper with a 2h compared to a 1h for MM alone. Factor in your support spells like blizzard and hydra that simply ignore your weapon speed, you're doing even more with 2h.

See my calculations about halfway down my huge reply on the last page for straight calculations where I showed a cheaper 2h provided a minimum of 17% more damage and more stats to boot for a standard mm/blizz/hydra spec.


Because I enjoy kiting a lot and shooting MM at things with higher attack speed. 1h speed > 2h speed. That's good enough for me. I'm not trying to use T3h_most_Epick_l337_effic14nt_Bu1ld


I stand in awe of your eloquence. Your well crafted argument has persuaded me wholeheartedly to abandon my meritless two handed path.

Ok i bought 50E worth of items. I now have 35k hp, 30.5k dps, 450+ all res, 18.5 crit chance, +220% crit damage. Is it good enough to finish act II with? Also, what skills/runes do i use?


Yes, it's good enough to finish the game with and then some.

Pick either cookie cutter build -
Both have:
Venom Hydra
Force Armor
Force weapon
Diamond skin - crystal shell

Glass cannon.

Arcane kiting spec adds in:
Arcane orb - tap the source
[insert utility spell]

Temporal flux
Astral Presence

Blizzard spec adds in:
magic missile - charged blast/seeker
Blizzard - starkwinter/whatever the less effective 20 ap rune is called

Arcane dynamo
cold blooded
King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
June 21 2012 21:04 GMT
#2876
Isn't Venom Hydra a bit unnecessary, seeing as i play with arcane orb and i have 0 disables or cc's? Maybe Lightning Hydra would be a better choice.
Phael
Profile Joined May 2010
United States281 Posts
June 21 2012 21:06 GMT
#2877
There's a reason venom hydra is present in every wizard build: it's ridiculously overpowered and I would expect a nerf to it at or before 1.1, but abuse it before they do. It's almost as bad as nether tentacles was ...
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 21 2012 21:06 GMT
#2878
i thought it was determined that force weapon sucks ass and familiar with sparkflint is better.
King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
June 21 2012 21:10 GMT
#2879
Ok Phael, 1 more thing. On the arcane orb build, do i use Electrocute with Surge of Power as primary? Or is there something else more useful?
daredpanda
Profile Joined January 2012
United States60 Posts
June 21 2012 21:10 GMT
#2880
Well I used arcane hydra because to get the extra snaring when i run around kiting
Terran sandwich with Archon bread. GG all day long!
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