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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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Phael
United States281 Posts
I agree with u on the weapon speed thing vs base damage, thats why i only look for the highest weapon damage 1,2 speed one handers, so i can hit the hardest having the most affixes possible. The thing in ur comparison is that u didnt account for his weapons + int (if it had any) + offhand +int which should be easily 100+ than just a 2 handers int. remember that to calculate the damage done Int also plays an important role. plus the most important affix that off hands provide , a high crit chance. and that alone buffs ur damage more than 200 base damage. But what really astonishes me is that u have gone up to 50% crit chance without even using an offhand! how the hell did u do that? 10% gloves + 10% amu + 20% on bracers, helm and rings and the free 5% is just 45%. coz i thought u would need the extra 8% on the off hand to reach 50%. man sick crit gear, coz im struggling to get it up past 30% and i need the offhand for that, thats my main point with the offhand really, getting more int and crit chance with it. + whatever affixes, but thats just bonus. I set your stats as the minimum in my search list. You could probably buy a no-statted 1120 dps weapon for 100k, the one I selected had both higher int and vit. As for my crit rate, I have nat's 2-set which gives me 7% crit, and I use the scoundrel for another 3%. I also use energy armor-pintpoint barrier half the time, which adds another 5% if I feel reckless. Prismatic is obviously better for DR, but mobs have reduced damage now ... I enjoy running magic missile. So that precludes using slow, heavy hitting AO + 2 handers. Having a sick 1 hander + sick offhand is perfectly fine for this style Why does using MM preclude 2h? You do (slightly) more damage for cheaper with a 2h compared to a 1h for MM alone. Factor in your support spells like blizzard and hydra that simply ignore your weapon speed, you're doing even more with 2h. See my calculations about halfway down my huge reply on the last page for straight calculations where I showed a cheaper 2h provided a minimum of 17% more damage and more stats to boot for a standard mm/blizz/hydra spec. | ||
Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
But how do you rate stats? Crit Dmg>Int>Crit%>ASP>Allress>Vit ?! | ||
Depetrify
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Juissi
Finland209 Posts
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iLLusive
United States274 Posts
![]() Crit hits went from 50k range to now 120k range I love this ![]() | ||
Phael
United States281 Posts
On June 22 2012 04:25 Onioncookie wrote: Very interesting Phael , just bought a 2 hander for the same price as i sold my 1 hander (without orb)... got my dps up from 26k to 33,5k for the same price pretty much ... But how do you rate stats? Crit Dmg>Int>Crit%>ASP>Allress>Vit ?! Stat ratings fluctuate on my current gear. Even if one particular stat is more desirable than the other, say, I like crit most of all now due to 327% crit damage, I'm not going to give up a 4% crit 180 int ring for a 5% crit 100 int ring. My current stats relative to int are something like - 1 crit = 25 int, 1 haste = 13 (fake) int, 1 crit damage = 3.3 int, 1 weapon damage = 1.2 int. I value 1 int the same as 1 vit. In terms of EH, at my current values, 1 armor = 1 str ~= 0.2 vit, 1 dex ~= 0.4 vit, 1 resist all ~= 1.6 vit, 1% life ~= 8 vit. Each stat has its own value, and that value is completely gear dependent. I'd recommend you use a calculator spreadsheet to determine what bonus each stat applies for you. Well Phael new weapon came in and on switching I gained nearly 7k DPS and weapon I had will easily pay for this one because people will see the 1331 DPS and buy it for 20-25$ np so at worst I am out 5$. So THANK YOU very much for the advice and I will continue to wait out good price on jewelry items. Any suggestions on wrist / helm do I need the legendaries I see Trump and people running with? Grats. Trump's wrist and helm are both very outdated now, it's a matter of whether you are comfortable kiting with your attack speed or not. Just knowing that both items are legendaries though, I'd skip them because all legendaries are disgustingly overpriced for their actual value - only good ones that are actually better than rares should even be close to their prices but people are stupid so prices are high regardless. Anyway, lacuni also has movement speed which may or may not be a consideration. Overall I'd recommend rare items with solid +int/crit chance, and hopefully a socket for your helm if possible. Int goes up to 250? on a helm and 200 on a bracer if I'm not mistaken, and both can get 6% crit, but you could probably snag deals for 120-150/3% on both with a little bit extra stuff that you would need, like all resists, vit, armor, socket, etc. | ||
Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
On June 22 2012 04:50 Phael wrote: Stat ratings fluctuate on my current gear. Even if one particular stat is more desirable than the other, say, I like crit most of all now due to 327% crit damage, I'm not going to give up a 4% crit 180 int ring for a 5% crit 100 int ring. My current stats relative to int are something like - 1 crit = 25 int, 1 haste = 13 (fake) int, 1 crit damage = 3.3 int, 1 weapon damage = 1.2 int. I value 1 int the same as 1 vit. In terms of EH, at my current values, 1 armor = 1 str ~= 0.2 vit, 1 dex ~= 0.4 vit, 1 resist all ~= 1.6 vit, 1% life ~= 8 vit. Each stat has its own value, and that value is completely gear dependent. I'd recommend you use a calculator spreadsheet to determine what bonus each stat applies for you. Grats. Trump's wrist and helm are both very outdated now, it's a matter of whether you are comfortable kiting with your attack speed or not. Just knowing that both items are legendaries though, I'd skip them because all legendaries are disgustingly overpriced for their actual value - only good ones that are actually better than rares should even be close to their prices but people are stupid so prices are high regardless. Anyway, lacuni also has movement speed which may or may not be a consideration. Overall I'd recommend rare items with solid +int/crit chance, and hopefully a socket for your helm if possible. Int goes up to 250? on a helm and 200 on a bracer if I'm not mistaken, and both can get 6% crit, but you could probably snag deals for 120-150/3% on both with a little bit extra stuff that you would need, like all resists, vit, armor, socket, etc. How does one get these values? Everything is based on ur wpn and then u add the stats? Or ur just testing it ?! | ||
Phael
United States281 Posts
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuCuIwwOof50dGpVRXhOYTZHNUJ3R1dWTmdNdS1TeWc&toomany=true#gid=1 WoW-style theorcrafting spreadsheets ... ah, fond memories. | ||
FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On June 22 2012 04:05 Phael wrote: Why does using MM preclude 2h? You do (slightly) more damage for cheaper with a 2h compared to a 1h for MM alone. Factor in your support spells like blizzard and hydra that simply ignore your weapon speed, you're doing even more with 2h. See my calculations about halfway down my huge reply on the last page for straight calculations where I showed a cheaper 2h provided a minimum of 17% more damage and more stats to boot for a standard mm/blizz/hydra spec. Because I enjoy kiting a lot and shooting MM at things with higher attack speed. 1h speed > 2h speed. That's good enough for me. I'm not trying to use T3h_most_Epick_l337_effic14nt_Bu1ld | ||
King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
+crit chance, crit damage, intelligence, all res? Also i wanna play arcane orb build, blizz hydra too damn boring, what stats should my main hand and offhand have? You have no dps stats available (outside of specific legendaries that aren't very good, or very expensive) in your chest, belt, pants, shoulders, and boots slots. Get max survivability in those slots - generally a very undervalued stat is armor for wizards. With force armor still a staple, gear with +armor that gives the same mitigation as +all res generally goes for 20-30% of the all res item's value. For gloves, rings, amulet ... those are your dps stat slots. Focus on int, crit damage, and crit on those slots, in order of price. Helm and bracers are sort of mixed. If you can find a cheap one with decent stats and crit, go for it, but normally just look for main stats and a socket in the helm. You should only be using a 2hander, no mainhand/offhand silliness. Socket, crit damage, and intelligence are the most important stats in descending importance. [/QUOTE] Ok i bought 50E worth of items. I now have 35k hp, 30.5k dps, 450+ all res, 18.5 crit chance, +220% crit damage. Is it good enough to finish act II with? Also, what skills/runes do i use? | ||
Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
On June 22 2012 05:41 Phael wrote: Here's a link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuCuIwwOof50dGpVRXhOYTZHNUJ3R1dWTmdNdS1TeWc&toomany=true#gid=1 WoW-style theorcrafting spreadsheets ... ah, fond memories. Thank you very much ... very helpfull you are sir! | ||
Depetrify
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
Got it nvm ![]() | ||
Phael
United States281 Posts
On June 22 2012 05:43 FallDownMarigold wrote: Because I enjoy kiting a lot and shooting MM at things with higher attack speed. 1h speed > 2h speed. That's good enough for me. I'm not trying to use T3h_most_Epick_l337_effic14nt_Bu1ld I stand in awe of your eloquence. Your well crafted argument has persuaded me wholeheartedly to abandon my meritless two handed path. Ok i bought 50E worth of items. I now have 35k hp, 30.5k dps, 450+ all res, 18.5 crit chance, +220% crit damage. Is it good enough to finish act II with? Also, what skills/runes do i use? Yes, it's good enough to finish the game with and then some. Pick either cookie cutter build - Both have: Venom Hydra Force Armor Force weapon Diamond skin - crystal shell Glass cannon. Arcane kiting spec adds in: Arcane orb - tap the source [insert utility spell] Temporal flux Astral Presence Blizzard spec adds in: magic missile - charged blast/seeker Blizzard - starkwinter/whatever the less effective 20 ap rune is called Arcane dynamo cold blooded | ||
King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
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Phael
United States281 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
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daredpanda
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