|
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twochainzyaa-1229/hero/18524457
how can i upgrade. EVERYTHING IS RETARD EXPENSIVE.
should i still aim for a rare xbow (i was thinking 1450ish dps xbow one socket). from my spreadsheet calcs, giving up the 8% bonus to swap to dual core manticore isn't really worth it, since i'd need to obtain a fairly good witching hour (100+dex) and a pretty good manticore (at least 1300ish dps double socket) for hte upgrade to be substantial. I want to hit 300kdps, maybe amulet? i bought the amulet a long time ago and it wasn't that expensive. also mainting EHP is so hard while getting more DPS.
|
A 1-Socket Manticore with 90% CD and 180 Dex will do a lot more for you, and will only cost ~50mil. Heck, for ~30mil I think you could get a DPS upgrade (run it by a calculator of course...just set the Inna's Belt bonus at 5-6% to compensate).
After that, you could swap out the DML for one with 270 Dex/Vit and 20% ASpd. You lose 10 Disc, but gain more damage and a lot more health.
For everything else, you should be looking for Vit on chest, boots, and shoulders...doable for 30-40mil each. Amulet can definitely be upgraded for higher CD and Crit chance.
Also consider swapping out your Bracer for a 6% CC Rare with high Dex, some vit and some Resist All.
|
On January 01 2013 17:18 WolfintheSheep wrote:
A 1-Socket Manticore with 90% CD and 180 Dex will do a lot more for you, and will only cost ~50mil. Heck, for ~30mil I think you could get a DPS upgrade (run it by a calculator of course...just set the Inna's Belt bonus at 5-6% to compensate).
After that, you could swap out the DML for one with 270 Dex/Vit and 20% ASpd. You lose 10 Disc, but gain more damage and a lot more health.
For everything else, you should be looking for Vit on chest, boots, and shoulders...doable for 30-40mil each. Amulet can definitely be upgraded for higher CD and Crit chance.
Also consider swapping out your Bracer for a 6% CC Rare with high Dex, some vit and some Resist All.
oh so the poison dmg on manticore is only partial? i thought i would lose the entire 8% bonus.
i'm not really interested in trading 10 disc for dex. extra disc is pretty godly, and i'll probably finish out the natalya set at some point just for like 80 disc (I have a decent SoJ too).
you can't get vit on natalya chest that also sports +10 max disc unless you want to spend a lot of money. same with shoulders the last pair of shoulders that i sold was a moderate upgrade for me (70 ish vit, 256 dex, it sold for almost 70 mill).
natalya boots with vit are also insanely expensive if you want 220+dex on them.
note taken about the manticore though, i wasn't sure of the game mechanic worked like that or not.
|
For the same price, would you rather buy a:
1400dps 1 slot manti
OR
1150dps 2 slot manti
with relatively similar stats, thank you!
edit: Nevermind, new baby!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1r98J.png)
|
On January 01 2013 16:09 dreamsmasher wrote:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twochainzyaa-1229/hero/18524457how can i upgrade. EVERYTHING IS RETARD EXPENSIVE. should i still aim for a rare xbow (i was thinking 1450ish dps xbow one socket). from my spreadsheet calcs, giving up the 8% bonus to swap to dual core manticore isn't really worth it, since i'd need to obtain a fairly good witching hour (100+dex) and a pretty good manticore (at least 1300ish dps double socket) for hte upgrade to be substantial. I want to hit 300kdps, maybe amulet? i bought the amulet a long time ago and it wasn't that expensive. also mainting EHP is so hard while getting more DPS.
My dps is 280k vs your 250k (also I'm 48 paragon levels lower), my average item cost approximately 50mil with the exception of my boots and bracers, these are the things I see compared to your items that just don't work:
1) Your crossbow is awful, for about 50mil you'll be able to find a single slot manticore with the same dps, but an extra 180dex and 11ias, as well as likely about 20% more crit damage.
2) Your DML is bad, I spent 50mil on mine, and although I did get a little lucky with the price I found, it still has about a 100dex and 100vit more than yours. EDIT: opps didn't notice max disc on your DML, I think you're overvaluing it though.
3) Confused why you insist on bloody footprints, vile wards and inna's temperance with int instead of vitality. The price of vitality vs int gear will be the same, you'll just take maybe a 20-30 dex hit on the item, which is okay though, because then you don't need to worry about getting vitality on gear like gloves, rings, and amulets, and can go pure cc,cd,ias,average damage, and dex.
4) Damn I like your gloves, how much were they?
5) Well for about 100mil you can get a 60dex upgrade on your boots if that's worth it to you.
I think that's about it, all our other items are pretty similar in stats, that should get you to 300k dps, after that, crit mempo, and then really if you are happy with the set items you have going, only thing left is spend insane money on jewellery, and lots of money for very minor upgrades on your regular gear.
It's always interesting to see how people break down their set items to get the bonuses. Wearing Natalya's helm and looking at your profile makes me feel sad just how bad it is. I get 5.5% crit while losing 100dex, 75all res, 9ias, and 10% life. Sad thing is they were probably pretty similar in price.
As an end goal though, I think witching hour is the way to go, and go with inna's vast expense, as at least compared to yours mine is 50dex up and almost 200 vitality up too. Depends how much you value that max disc roll I suppose.
|
What should I think about upgrading next? I don't got much gold atm so I'm gonna be saving up. I'm gonna swap out my Andarials for a Mempo later on when I need more survival, but keeping Andarials now for faster farming. I'm thinking of getting a new amulet or saving up for a double soc 1200+ dps manticore.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ChairmanRay-1715/hero/6384290
|
Upgrade. your. fricken. gems. 
|
On January 02 2013 21:38 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:09 dreamsmasher wrote:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twochainzyaa-1229/hero/18524457how can i upgrade. EVERYTHING IS RETARD EXPENSIVE. should i still aim for a rare xbow (i was thinking 1450ish dps xbow one socket). from my spreadsheet calcs, giving up the 8% bonus to swap to dual core manticore isn't really worth it, since i'd need to obtain a fairly good witching hour (100+dex) and a pretty good manticore (at least 1300ish dps double socket) for hte upgrade to be substantial. I want to hit 300kdps, maybe amulet? i bought the amulet a long time ago and it wasn't that expensive. also mainting EHP is so hard while getting more DPS. My dps is 280k vs your 250k (also I'm 48 paragon levels lower), my average item cost approximately 50mil with the exception of my boots and bracers, these are the things I see compared to your items that just don't work: 1) Your crossbow is awful, for about 50mil you'll be able to find a single slot manticore with the same dps, but an extra 180dex and 11ias, as well as likely about 20% more crit damage. 2) Your DML is bad, I spent 50mil on mine, and although I did get a little lucky with the price I found, it still has about a 100dex and 100vit more than yours. EDIT: opps didn't notice max disc on your DML, I think you're overvaluing it though. 3) Confused why you insist on bloody footprints, vile wards and inna's temperance with int instead of vitality. The price of vitality vs int gear will be the same, you'll just take maybe a 20-30 dex hit on the item, which is okay though, because then you don't need to worry about getting vitality on gear like gloves, rings, and amulets, and can go pure cc,cd,ias,average damage, and dex. 4) Damn I like your gloves, how much were they? 5) Well for about 100mil you can get a 60dex upgrade on your boots if that's worth it to you. I think that's about it, all our other items are pretty similar in stats, that should get you to 300k dps, after that, crit mempo, and then really if you are happy with the set items you have going, only thing left is spend insane money on jewellery, and lots of money for very minor upgrades on your regular gear. It's always interesting to see how people break down their set items to get the bonuses. Wearing Natalya's helm and looking at your profile makes me feel sad just how bad it is. I get 5.5% crit while losing 100dex, 75all res, 9ias, and 10% life. Sad thing is they were probably pretty similar in price. As an end goal though, I think witching hour is the way to go, and go with inna's vast expense, as at least compared to yours mine is 50dex up and almost 200 vitality up too. Depends how much you value that max disc roll I suppose.
the correlation of int on my items wasn't intentional, they merely had the best offensive stats for cost. (usually i find some predetermined dex level i'm happy with and then try to find the best deal), int i guess was what was rolled on all of these items.
i actually had a better vile ward (256 dex, 70ish vit) that i sold because it was wroth ~60 mill. the Vile ward I bought i got for under 20.
footprints same, i bought the highest dex that i could afford within a reasonable budget ( i think i spent 25 million at the time, it was the literally the first nat's piece i bought coming back to the game). vit ones run quite a bit more. inna's same thing.
i just value discipline as a way to 'bumping up my effective hp'. there are a lot of times as a DH that you dont need EHP, the times you NEED ehp are very predictable as your playing so i generally rely on having a lot of disc in order to survive/navigate around without taking damage. i dont really prefer to just sit around with a higher than needed EHP all the time.
i can push more DPS, but that would require me losing a) hellfire ring b)my helm.
i can get up to like 270k ish dps, but i would drop down to like 25 or 26k hp, which i dont really want to do, so that's why i use this gear setup (also exp bonuses etc...)
i bought gloves for like 50 mill.
the reason i value discipline a lot is because i makes the class 'feel' more enjoyable to play. i really like the set bonus on the legacy nat's and having a really big disc pool is really the only way to get the 'same feeling' if you know what i mean. i could probably just go for DPS/EHP and say fuck disc but i just dont really prefer to play the game like that.
what i really enjoy about the DH class is just that it feels much more active in skill usage than other classes.
point taken about the bow, but i really haven't been able to find a manticore like that. i basically just type 2h xbow/crit dmg/socket and sort by dps and manticore never came up in any affordable ranges for me.
(also wasn't aware that the bonus was calculated the way it is for manticore which has part poison/part physical dmg).
also i like to change my spec to really random things a lot of times to spice things up, and the extra disc really helps with that.
|
I'm trying to get 7 pick up radius, where would you guys suggest adding it? Pick-up radius makes all your runs so much nicer, definitely a good stat to have...
Putting it on boots will make me lose a potential 100dex 100vit, at my current price range it'll make me go down to 190dex + 7 pick up, from 260dex 60vit. (That is if you go with Nat boots).
The other option is to put it on bracers, and go for something like 170dex, 30vit, 70ar, 5.5-6crit, + pick-up radius for 400-600mil. Lacuni's at a similar price range will only give you 5.5-6crit, 8-9ias, 150dex, 30vit, so pretty much I'd be sacrificing 8-9ias for solid all resistance roll, a low two digit roll of dex, and 7 pick-up radius, which seems to be the best trade off.
I can't really think of any other places I'd really put it as I'm currently using a witching hour, if anyone has any suggestions or stumbled upon the same question, I'd appreciate some help, thanks (:
|
The only real options for "end gear" is on a Vile Ward, Witching Hour, or on Bracers or Gloves (but not a T&T).
Cheapest and easiest, as you said, is the Bracer. I'm using a 150 Dex, 66 AR, 5.5 Crit and 5 Pickup that I got for 15mil. Of course...you might not be as lucky on the price, since I got mine before people really started caring about Pickup Radius.
|
On January 06 2013 10:05 WolfintheSheep wrote:
The only real options for "end gear" is on a Vile Ward, Witching Hour, or on Bracers or Gloves (but not a T&T).
Cheapest and easiest, as you said, is the Bracer. I'm using a 150 Dex, 66 AR, 5.5 Crit and 5 Pickup that I got for 15mil. Of course...you might not be as lucky on the price, since I got mine before people really started caring about Pickup Radius.
Oh wow, thank you for the suggestion. Definitely wouldn't think gloves would be a good choice considering how many stats you want to get on them.
Either way, I found a very solid 9.5, 45, 7 trifecta with 85dex and 6 pick up radius for only 55 million. No vitality or all res, but I should be willing to trade one of those for pick up radius.... And if it includes another stat of vitality or all res at a decent value it'd cost 1b+, thanks (:
|
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MiQuli-2738/hero/3087733
Where should i be going next? I believe its bracers and shoulders that i should be upgrading next. Both has kinda high survivability stats so its hard to find upgrades without losing too much of it. I usually use tactical, steady aim and night stalker so dont bother why theres sharpshooter (just checked how much dps i could have  ). Theres also Cluster Arrow where usually stands ele arrow with Ball Lighting. I have about 15m atm so i guess i have to farm a bit. I also have okeyish soj with ele dmg for ubers and elite packs. New Hellfire Ring would be nice too.
|
|
|
On January 15 2013 04:50 IAMFAPMAN wrote:heya guys! this is my DH : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sadogvk-2391/hero/19067060ive started playing again 2 days ago and im really not sure what to buy next. ive got about ~ 40m budget right now mb over 80 in some hours (THERES HOPE ^^). i would be rly thankful if you would take a look 
inna's temperance with a crap random mod are still the best pants, natalya's bloody footprints + embrace are both solid and cheap now. these three items will set you back at least 5 mio. and you will lose a bit of dex + vit in that price range, but you gain 8-9 ias, 8% crit and 24% movespeed. if you still can drop a bit of ehp you could look into inna's favor for the 2-set bonus, especially since you're using a black damage weapon (no elemental dmg, so a flat 7-8% damage gain).
your amulet could be your next big upgrade for quite cheap, after that shoulders.
|
On January 15 2013 06:23 zuqbu wrote: inna's temperance with a crap random mod are still the best pants, natalya's bloody footprints + embrace are both solid and cheap now. these three items will set you back at least 5 mio. and you will lose a bit of dex + vit in that price range, but you gain 8-9 ias, 8% crit and 24% movespeed. if you still can drop a bit of ehp you could look into inna's favor for the 2-set bonus, especially since you're using a black damage weapon (no elemental dmg, so a flat 7-8% damage gain). your amulet could be your next big upgrade for quite cheap, after that shoulders.
heya, thank you very much i bought innas armor and legs which gave me about +12k dmg i think i wont need the bonus crit chance from natalya's set so im just aiming that boots.
|
On January 15 2013 11:04 IAMFAPMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 06:23 zuqbu wrote:On January 15 2013 04:50 IAMFAPMAN wrote:heya guys! this is my DH : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sadogvk-2391/hero/19067060ive started playing again 2 days ago and im really not sure what to buy next. ive got about ~ 40m budget right now mb over 80 in some hours (THERES HOPE ^^). i would be rly thankful if you would take a look inna's temperance with a crap random mod are still the best pants, natalya's bloody footprints + embrace are both solid and cheap now. these three items will set you back at least 5 mio. and you will lose a bit of dex + vit in that price range, but you gain 8-9 ias, 8% crit and 24% movespeed. if you still can drop a bit of ehp you could look into inna's favor for the 2-set bonus, especially since you're using a black damage weapon (no elemental dmg, so a flat 7-8% damage gain). your amulet could be your next big upgrade for quite cheap, after that shoulders. heya, thank you very much i bought innas armor and legs which gave me about +12k dmg i think i wont need the bonus crit chance from natalya's set so im just aiming that boots.
I'd upgrade that Quiver too, even if you have to get a bad mod roll to make it cheaper. +8-9% Attack Speed is going to do a lot more than 50 Dex.
|
On January 15 2013 11:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 11:04 IAMFAPMAN wrote:On January 15 2013 06:23 zuqbu wrote:On January 15 2013 04:50 IAMFAPMAN wrote:heya guys! this is my DH : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sadogvk-2391/hero/19067060ive started playing again 2 days ago and im really not sure what to buy next. ive got about ~ 40m budget right now mb over 80 in some hours (THERES HOPE ^^). i would be rly thankful if you would take a look inna's temperance with a crap random mod are still the best pants, natalya's bloody footprints + embrace are both solid and cheap now. these three items will set you back at least 5 mio. and you will lose a bit of dex + vit in that price range, but you gain 8-9 ias, 8% crit and 24% movespeed. if you still can drop a bit of ehp you could look into inna's favor for the 2-set bonus, especially since you're using a black damage weapon (no elemental dmg, so a flat 7-8% damage gain). your amulet could be your next big upgrade for quite cheap, after that shoulders. heya, thank you very much i bought innas armor and legs which gave me about +12k dmg i think i wont need the bonus crit chance from natalya's set so im just aiming that boots. I'd upgrade that Quiver too, even if you have to get a bad mod roll to make it cheaper. +8-9% Attack Speed is going to do a lot more than 50 Dex.
yeah, ive thought about that.. but i will lose 12% ball lighting dmg which is ALOT, no?
|
|
|
inna's would be a good upgrade, but then get rid of your lacunis in favor of bracers with high dex + crit chance. reason being that you got enough movespeed then from pants and boots, and attack speed isn't that beneficial. go for rare bracers if you feel the need to compensate for the loss of EHP on your pants, or strongarms for more DPS.
what budget did you have in mind?
also: upgrade your gems.
|
Will search for a fairly good Innas than.. thanks for your advice! I have ~11M in bank.. not much but maybe I can upgrade my legs and bracers and gems.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
