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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 23 2013 20:58 GMT
#3761
i suggest waiting at least a couple weeks after the patch launches before doing any major upgrades, particularly for stuff replaceable by new craftables.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Steffa-NO
Profile Joined April 2011
60 Posts
January 26 2013 20:44 GMT
#3762
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mendulla-1647/hero/18912075

When is a good time to start buying small upgrades and when is a good time to start saving for end game items? I feel like I could use some stats now to help me get mp3 viable but I would like some advice on how. Or do i just wait and try to start crafting stuff when it comes? Is the lack of bonus movespeed bad? P.S. I have a small budget

Thanks in advance!
"People say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day." - A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 26 2013 23:29 GMT
#3763
Probably a dumb question, but why is Ball Lightning superior to Nether Tentacles? They're more or less the same projectile, doing the same weapon damage, so I've never really understood why everyone uses one not the other.
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
January 26 2013 23:34 GMT
#3764
ball lightning can hit a target more than once if its model is large enough
TangyOrange
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore87 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 09:29:18
January 27 2013 05:50 GMT
#3765
When do you use devouring arrow over ball lightning? As in, are there situations where a devouring arrow should be chosen over a ball lightning?
haiau
Profile Joined June 2011
101 Posts
February 05 2013 20:44 GMT
#3766
Trying to break the 200k dps mark. Suggestions for my gear upgrades?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/gtx-1644/
JustJonny
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada294 Posts
February 05 2013 22:36 GMT
#3767
On February 06 2013 05:44 haiau wrote:
Trying to break the 200k dps mark. Suggestions for my gear upgrades?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/gtx-1644/


i'm not the most experienced guy to be giving advice, but i just recently broke 200k dps with my dh and have similar gear.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JustJonny-1849/hero/5453646

main thing that jumps out to me is your dex is quite a bit lower than mine. i didn't spend all that much money on any one piece of gear (believe witching hour was ~15M being most expensive), but i did have a couple decent usable drops. I use perfectionist as opposed to tactical advantage as it allows me to skimp on some of the defensive skills on gear a bit, but there's obvious downside to that. hope this helps.
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
February 06 2013 12:18 GMT
#3768
On February 06 2013 05:44 haiau wrote:
Trying to break the 200k dps mark. Suggestions for my gear upgrades?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/gtx-1644/


your crit chance and dex is quite low. your emphasis on attack speed doesn't help that much with your build (multishot). if you want to stick to multishot don't think in character sheet dps (which is greatly improved by attack speed) but in damage per hatred spent (which attack speed does not improve at all). ideally you want to 1-shot trash otherwise you will run out of hatred too quickly.

for multishot demonhunters, the goal is usually to have just the bare minimum of attack speed that you get from otherwise good items like inna's temperance, while having a high minimum damage, and massive amounts of dex and crit chance.

1. your gloves are probably the cheapest to upgrade. look for 200+ dex, 8+ crit chance, crit damage and what else you can afford. avoid attack speed.

2. get rid of your rings, look for average damage, crit chance and high dex (100+). crit damage is nice too but will be costly. if your budget allows, look for a stone of jordan with multishot bonus, >25% dmg to elites and +discipline. attack speed only if you can't avoid it f.e. natalya's reflection (one with crit chance will be expensive), skull grasp (can be amazing with crit chance + multishot crit bonus).

3. look for a rare 2h-crossbow with >1300 dps, high dex, socket. if your budget allows, >1400 dps, dex, socket and crit damage. look for a black damage weapon (no elemental damage)

4. if you managed to get a good crossbow without elemental damage, drop your witching hour for inna's favor. you will gain at least 220 dex and 7% average damage which both improve your minimum damage.

5. upgrade your gems.

your goal for a good multishot build should be at least 2500 dex and 50% crit chance (without the bonus to multishot)
o_O
haiau
Profile Joined June 2011
101 Posts
February 08 2013 16:43 GMT
#3769
On February 06 2013 21:18 zuqbu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 05:44 haiau wrote:
Trying to break the 200k dps mark. Suggestions for my gear upgrades?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/gtx-1644/


your crit chance and dex is quite low. your emphasis on attack speed doesn't help that much with your build (multishot). if you want to stick to multishot don't think in character sheet dps (which is greatly improved by attack speed) but in damage per hatred spent (which attack speed does not improve at all). ideally you want to 1-shot trash otherwise you will run out of hatred too quickly.

for multishot demonhunters, the goal is usually to have just the bare minimum of attack speed that you get from otherwise good items like inna's temperance, while having a high minimum damage, and massive amounts of dex and crit chance.

1. your gloves are probably the cheapest to upgrade. look for 200+ dex, 8+ crit chance, crit damage and what else you can afford. avoid attack speed.

2. get rid of your rings, look for average damage, crit chance and high dex (100+). crit damage is nice too but will be costly. if your budget allows, look for a stone of jordan with multishot bonus, >25% dmg to elites and +discipline. attack speed only if you can't avoid it f.e. natalya's reflection (one with crit chance will be expensive), skull grasp (can be amazing with crit chance + multishot crit bonus).

3. look for a rare 2h-crossbow with >1300 dps, high dex, socket. if your budget allows, >1400 dps, dex, socket and crit damage. look for a black damage weapon (no elemental damage)

4. if you managed to get a good crossbow without elemental damage, drop your witching hour for inna's favor. you will gain at least 220 dex and 7% average damage which both improve your minimum damage.

5. upgrade your gems.

your goal for a good multishot build should be at least 2500 dex and 50% crit chance (without the bonus to multishot)


Thanks for the advice... Just got to the 200k dps mark!! woohoo

JustJonny
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada294 Posts
February 08 2013 19:51 GMT
#3770
On February 09 2013 01:43 haiau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 21:18 zuqbu wrote:
On February 06 2013 05:44 haiau wrote:
Trying to break the 200k dps mark. Suggestions for my gear upgrades?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/gtx-1644/


your crit chance and dex is quite low. your emphasis on attack speed doesn't help that much with your build (multishot). if you want to stick to multishot don't think in character sheet dps (which is greatly improved by attack speed) but in damage per hatred spent (which attack speed does not improve at all). ideally you want to 1-shot trash otherwise you will run out of hatred too quickly.

for multishot demonhunters, the goal is usually to have just the bare minimum of attack speed that you get from otherwise good items like inna's temperance, while having a high minimum damage, and massive amounts of dex and crit chance.

1. your gloves are probably the cheapest to upgrade. look for 200+ dex, 8+ crit chance, crit damage and what else you can afford. avoid attack speed.

2. get rid of your rings, look for average damage, crit chance and high dex (100+). crit damage is nice too but will be costly. if your budget allows, look for a stone of jordan with multishot bonus, >25% dmg to elites and +discipline. attack speed only if you can't avoid it f.e. natalya's reflection (one with crit chance will be expensive), skull grasp (can be amazing with crit chance + multishot crit bonus).

3. look for a rare 2h-crossbow with >1300 dps, high dex, socket. if your budget allows, >1400 dps, dex, socket and crit damage. look for a black damage weapon (no elemental damage)

4. if you managed to get a good crossbow without elemental damage, drop your witching hour for inna's favor. you will gain at least 220 dex and 7% average damage which both improve your minimum damage.

5. upgrade your gems.

your goal for a good multishot build should be at least 2500 dex and 50% crit chance (without the bonus to multishot)


Thanks for the advice... Just got to the 200k dps mark!! woohoo



grats! what did you wind up upgrading?
haiau
Profile Joined June 2011
101 Posts
February 08 2013 21:45 GMT
#3771
On February 09 2013 04:51 JustJonny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2013 01:43 haiau wrote:
On February 06 2013 21:18 zuqbu wrote:
On February 06 2013 05:44 haiau wrote:
Trying to break the 200k dps mark. Suggestions for my gear upgrades?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/gtx-1644/


your crit chance and dex is quite low. your emphasis on attack speed doesn't help that much with your build (multishot). if you want to stick to multishot don't think in character sheet dps (which is greatly improved by attack speed) but in damage per hatred spent (which attack speed does not improve at all). ideally you want to 1-shot trash otherwise you will run out of hatred too quickly.

for multishot demonhunters, the goal is usually to have just the bare minimum of attack speed that you get from otherwise good items like inna's temperance, while having a high minimum damage, and massive amounts of dex and crit chance.

1. your gloves are probably the cheapest to upgrade. look for 200+ dex, 8+ crit chance, crit damage and what else you can afford. avoid attack speed.

2. get rid of your rings, look for average damage, crit chance and high dex (100+). crit damage is nice too but will be costly. if your budget allows, look for a stone of jordan with multishot bonus, >25% dmg to elites and +discipline. attack speed only if you can't avoid it f.e. natalya's reflection (one with crit chance will be expensive), skull grasp (can be amazing with crit chance + multishot crit bonus).

3. look for a rare 2h-crossbow with >1300 dps, high dex, socket. if your budget allows, >1400 dps, dex, socket and crit damage. look for a black damage weapon (no elemental damage)

4. if you managed to get a good crossbow without elemental damage, drop your witching hour for inna's favor. you will gain at least 220 dex and 7% average damage which both improve your minimum damage.

5. upgrade your gems.

your goal for a good multishot build should be at least 2500 dex and 50% crit chance (without the bonus to multishot)


Thanks for the advice... Just got to the 200k dps mark!! woohoo



grats! what did you wind up upgrading?


new crossbow with dex on it.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-09 09:22:50
February 09 2013 09:22 GMT
#3772
lookin to break dat 300k mark now...sigh.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Twochainzyaa-1229/hero/18524457

quit playing for a while, thinking about just not upgrading until patch? meh everything is so expensive now

i can break the 270 mark using my non socketed andariel's, so plz dont suggest that.
ktang
Profile Joined September 2010
United States196 Posts
February 11 2013 12:33 GMT
#3773
On January 27 2013 14:50 TangyOrange wrote:
When do you use devouring arrow over ball lightning? As in, are there situations where a devouring arrow should be chosen over a ball lightning?


Devouring arrow is for single target whereas ball lightning is for area of effect. You should always have a hatred generator skill and a hatred spender skill. Devouring can be your left click and ball lightning can be your right click. Devouring for single target monster and also to generate hatred. Ball lightning to plow down trash and a bunch of monster clumped up together.
ツ
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
February 11 2013 13:42 GMT
#3774
On February 11 2013 21:33 ktang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 14:50 TangyOrange wrote:
When do you use devouring arrow over ball lightning? As in, are there situations where a devouring arrow should be chosen over a ball lightning?


Devouring arrow is for single target whereas ball lightning is for area of effect. You should always have a hatred generator skill and a hatred spender skill. Devouring can be your left click and ball lightning can be your right click. Devouring for single target monster and also to generate hatred. Ball lightning to plow down trash and a bunch of monster clumped up together.


true, but when farming lower MPs i usually don't need a hatred generator. the bat companion + vengeance + hatred regen from dead man's legacy is enough for me to switch devouring out for spike traps (with scatter).
o_O
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
February 11 2013 21:54 GMT
#3775
On February 11 2013 22:42 zuqbu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 21:33 ktang wrote:
On January 27 2013 14:50 TangyOrange wrote:
When do you use devouring arrow over ball lightning? As in, are there situations where a devouring arrow should be chosen over a ball lightning?


Devouring arrow is for single target whereas ball lightning is for area of effect. You should always have a hatred generator skill and a hatred spender skill. Devouring can be your left click and ball lightning can be your right click. Devouring for single target monster and also to generate hatred. Ball lightning to plow down trash and a bunch of monster clumped up together.


true, but when farming lower MPs i usually don't need a hatred generator. the bat companion + vengeance + hatred regen from dead man's legacy is enough for me to switch devouring out for spike traps (with scatter).


low mp just use chakram/strafe build. dont need no damn hatred generator.

i just rely on bat/vengeance.
e100810g
Profile Joined February 2013
Spain5 Posts
February 12 2013 12:06 GMT
#3776
help guys.. what do i need to change in my gear? my target is to have 250k dps. my budget to spend is 400m. .

this is my profile : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/glyde31-2859/hero/20767267

thanks in advance
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
February 12 2013 14:31 GMT
#3777
On February 12 2013 21:06 e100810g wrote:
help guys.. what do i need to change in my gear? my target is to have 250k dps. my budget to spend is 400m. .

this is my profile : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/glyde31-2859/hero/20767267

thanks in advance


250k unbuffed is going to be tough with your budget, since you will need to swap out a lot of pieces. and you will probably loose EHP on your way but let's see:

you're lacking crit chance and dex, and your weapon is poor (sorry!). but not everything is in dire need of an upgrade. your vile ward is good, it could have a lot more dex but the vit roll is great. your dead man's is ok, the random roll could be something more offensive oriented. you got a hellfire with crit and average damage, that's GREAT. the pants i wouldn't touch as well, and you can keep your cloak.

what i would upgrade in which order:

#1 weapon.
for the highest possible DPS choose a manticore with 2 sockets, 150-200 dex and as much dps as you can afford. eu prices afaik for these stats: >1150 dps: 150 mio and up >1200 dps: 300 mio and up. the manticore alone can burn your budget, if you want to upgrade anything else shoot for the 1150 dps range and look if you can find one for less than 150 mio. you also need 2 radiant star emeralds, so make that 200–210 mio total upgrading your weapon.

#2 the "other" ring
if you want to be close to the 250k mark AND not spend a fortune, you will need to say goodbye to all resist and hello crit chance. more dex would be nice as well. if you can, get >5 cc >100 dex and keep your crit damage and (very good) average damage. don't know exactly what that would cost, but i would like to spend 25–30 mio and see what's on offer.

#3 belt
option 1: inna's favor (cheap, more dex, but %damage doesn't work so well with the manticore) 10 mio for a decent one. option 2: witching hour (expensive, less dex, but IAS and CD) 30 mio for anything above 75 dex and 45 CD

#4 boots
the same bloody footprints but with 200+ dex. 30 mio?

#5 helmet
mempo with crit is not an option, perhaps if you like to spend 400 mio on this slot alone. :> natalya's sight with crit and >150 dex are quite affordable right now, and you would get another 130 dex from the set bonus. spend 40 mio and look for >4 crit chance or spend a fraction of that, to hell with all this EHP and get an andy's with a socket.

that's 330 mio so far. and except for the mempo i don't think you will recoup much from selling your current items. the remaining upgrades can be obtained by crafting, and from upgrading your gems.

#6 bracers
craft these as soon as patch 1.0.7 hits. >200 dex are more or less guaranteed and >5 crit chance should be possible, and if you're lucky (and you are, look at your hellfire ring!) you can gain some EHP back with an AR and/or vit roll.

#7 amulet
craft these. current stats with >200 dex would be good. or spend the remaining budget here if you don't feel lucky.

8# gloves
same advice as for the amulet.

general goal with your budget should be to get at least 50% crit chance (the closer to 60 the better) since you will be close to 500% crit damage. 3000 dex should be doable. as i said, you will probably not hit 250k unbuffed, but 200k at least and if you get good deals probably 220k–230k
o_O
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 07:54:27
February 13 2013 07:53 GMT
#3778
On February 12 2013 23:31 zuqbu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 21:06 e100810g wrote:
help guys.. what do i need to change in my gear? my target is to have 250k dps. my budget to spend is 400m. .

this is my profile : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/glyde31-2859/hero/20767267

thanks in advance


250k unbuffed is going to be tough with your budget, since you will need to swap out a lot of pieces. and you will probably loose EHP on your way but let's see:

you're lacking crit chance and dex, and your weapon is poor (sorry!). but not everything is in dire need of an upgrade. your vile ward is good, it could have a lot more dex but the vit roll is great. your dead man's is ok, the random roll could be something more offensive oriented. you got a hellfire with crit and average damage, that's GREAT. the pants i wouldn't touch as well, and you can keep your cloak.

what i would upgrade in which order:

#1 weapon.
for the highest possible DPS choose a manticore with 2 sockets, 150-200 dex and as much dps as you can afford. eu prices afaik for these stats: >1150 dps: 150 mio and up >1200 dps: 300 mio and up. the manticore alone can burn your budget, if you want to upgrade anything else shoot for the 1150 dps range and look if you can find one for less than 150 mio. you also need 2 radiant star emeralds, so make that 200–210 mio total upgrading your weapon.

#2 the "other" ring
if you want to be close to the 250k mark AND not spend a fortune, you will need to say goodbye to all resist and hello crit chance. more dex would be nice as well. if you can, get >5 cc >100 dex and keep your crit damage and (very good) average damage. don't know exactly what that would cost, but i would like to spend 25–30 mio and see what's on offer.

#3 belt
option 1: inna's favor (cheap, more dex, but %damage doesn't work so well with the manticore) 10 mio for a decent one. option 2: witching hour (expensive, less dex, but IAS and CD) 30 mio for anything above 75 dex and 45 CD

#4 boots
the same bloody footprints but with 200+ dex. 30 mio?

#5 helmet
mempo with crit is not an option, perhaps if you like to spend 400 mio on this slot alone. :> natalya's sight with crit and >150 dex are quite affordable right now, and you would get another 130 dex from the set bonus. spend 40 mio and look for >4 crit chance or spend a fraction of that, to hell with all this EHP and get an andy's with a socket.

that's 330 mio so far. and except for the mempo i don't think you will recoup much from selling your current items. the remaining upgrades can be obtained by crafting, and from upgrading your gems.

#6 bracers
craft these as soon as patch 1.0.7 hits. >200 dex are more or less guaranteed and >5 crit chance should be possible, and if you're lucky (and you are, look at your hellfire ring!) you can gain some EHP back with an AR and/or vit roll.

#7 amulet
craft these. current stats with >200 dex would be good. or spend the remaining budget here if you don't feel lucky.

8# gloves
same advice as for the amulet.

general goal with your budget should be to get at least 50% crit chance (the closer to 60 the better) since you will be close to 500% crit damage. 3000 dex should be doable. as i said, you will probably not hit 250k unbuffed, but 200k at least and if you get good deals probably 220k–230k


nah 2 socket manticore is a waste of money unless you get like a top of the line one so like at least 1290+dps double socket dex.

my gear set can yield like 274kish dps i think my gear set is maybe 400 mill prolly less. i'm also using inna's (just upgraded from yellow bow to manticore so havne't made teh change to w hour yet.
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 10:06:21
February 13 2013 09:52 GMT
#3779
On February 13 2013 16:53 dreamsmasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 23:31 zuqbu wrote:
On February 12 2013 21:06 e100810g wrote:
help guys.. what do i need to change in my gear? my target is to have 250k dps. my budget to spend is 400m. .

this is my profile : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/glyde31-2859/hero/20767267

thanks in advance


250k unbuffed is going to be tough with your budget, since you will need to swap out a lot of pieces. and you will probably loose EHP on your way but let's see:

you're lacking crit chance and dex, and your weapon is poor (sorry!). but not everything is in dire need of an upgrade. your vile ward is good, it could have a lot more dex but the vit roll is great. your dead man's is ok, the random roll could be something more offensive oriented. you got a hellfire with crit and average damage, that's GREAT. the pants i wouldn't touch as well, and you can keep your cloak.

what i would upgrade in which order:

#1 weapon.
for the highest possible DPS choose a manticore with 2 sockets, 150-200 dex and as much dps as you can afford. eu prices afaik for these stats: >1150 dps: 150 mio and up >1200 dps: 300 mio and up. the manticore alone can burn your budget, if you want to upgrade anything else shoot for the 1150 dps range and look if you can find one for less than 150 mio. you also need 2 radiant star emeralds, so make that 200–210 mio total upgrading your weapon.

#2 the "other" ring
if you want to be close to the 250k mark AND not spend a fortune, you will need to say goodbye to all resist and hello crit chance. more dex would be nice as well. if you can, get >5 cc >100 dex and keep your crit damage and (very good) average damage. don't know exactly what that would cost, but i would like to spend 25–30 mio and see what's on offer.

#3 belt
option 1: inna's favor (cheap, more dex, but %damage doesn't work so well with the manticore) 10 mio for a decent one. option 2: witching hour (expensive, less dex, but IAS and CD) 30 mio for anything above 75 dex and 45 CD

#4 boots
the same bloody footprints but with 200+ dex. 30 mio?

#5 helmet
mempo with crit is not an option, perhaps if you like to spend 400 mio on this slot alone. :> natalya's sight with crit and >150 dex are quite affordable right now, and you would get another 130 dex from the set bonus. spend 40 mio and look for >4 crit chance or spend a fraction of that, to hell with all this EHP and get an andy's with a socket.

that's 330 mio so far. and except for the mempo i don't think you will recoup much from selling your current items. the remaining upgrades can be obtained by crafting, and from upgrading your gems.

#6 bracers
craft these as soon as patch 1.0.7 hits. >200 dex are more or less guaranteed and >5 crit chance should be possible, and if you're lucky (and you are, look at your hellfire ring!) you can gain some EHP back with an AR and/or vit roll.

#7 amulet
craft these. current stats with >200 dex would be good. or spend the remaining budget here if you don't feel lucky.

8# gloves
same advice as for the amulet.

general goal with your budget should be to get at least 50% crit chance (the closer to 60 the better) since you will be close to 500% crit damage. 3000 dex should be doable. as i said, you will probably not hit 250k unbuffed, but 200k at least and if you get good deals probably 220k–230k


nah 2 socket manticore is a waste of money unless you get like a top of the line one so like at least 1290+dps double socket dex.

my gear set can yield like 274kish dps i think my gear set is maybe 400 mill prolly less. i'm also using inna's (just upgraded from yellow bow to manticore so havne't made teh change to w hour yet.


you are talking about buffed dps while i was talking unbuffed dps. your unbuffed dps currently is ~190k.

and a double socket manticore is great if you have a lot of crit chance. i had a very similar single socket manticore as you (1280 dps, ~190 dex) and switched to a double socket with 1150 dps and ~190 dex and gained over 15k unbuffed dps with 60.5% crit chance.

that said, a rare crossbow with higher dps can be better f.e. if you rely on skills that require a high minimum damage like multishot.
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February 13 2013 18:52 GMT
#3780
Hey guys, I've just started playing again after a long hiatus. I played a bit after the Paragon patch, but not much.

How are DH builds atm, what is the current cookie cutter spec and how much gear do you need to make it work? Are DH still built completely glass cannon with some vit/AR?

Thanks for any info.
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