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Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
February 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#81
On February 22 2011 10:57 Serpico wrote:
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On February 22 2011 10:53 Babaganoush wrote:
I'm curious as to why you will not allow individuals to participate in your league, meaning individuals without a team. Trying to filter out people like PiqLiq or something? lol.

hot lava flows.


I'm creating a company called Hot Lava Flow for the sole purpose of sponsoring PiQLiQ and sending him to NASL.
Minigun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
619 Posts
February 22 2011 01:58 GMT
#82
If the votes don't determine who gets in, then what does? It seems to be a little unexplained.
“Quiet people have the loudest minds.” ― Stephen Hawking
yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
February 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#83
I also 'feel' like the single OPEN slot is a real real longshot for everyone else.

Maybe have 5 opens. Each winner gets to play the 3rd place finisher (or wild card playoff winner) from each division. Because the 50 people in the actual league have had enough chances to get in.

On average that will just be 2.5 out of 16 slots going to the OPEN field but it feels a lot better IMO.

Yes I realize it adds 4 more open tourneys worth of work.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
February 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#84
I was wondering, what about maps?

Custom ones?
ladder?
iCCUP or GSL maps?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 22 2011 01:59 GMT
#85
On February 22 2011 10:48 Karthane wrote:
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On February 22 2011 10:46 Brad wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:42 Karthane wrote:
I'm still a little baffled. Where the hell are they getting 400,000 dollars??


The owner of Coaching, Russ, he is the mastermind. This is his baby. He partnered with a USC law school graduate named Duncan who's kind of an eSports newbie, he saw a nice business venture and he's excited and learning more about eSports and they backed it and created it.




So basically these guys has 400k sitting around to drop on a Starcraft 2 tournament?

Nope ><

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_capitalist
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
February 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#86
On February 22 2011 10:58 Minigun wrote:
If the votes don't determine who gets in, then what does? It seems to be a little unexplained.


I believe they use the votes as a basis for who the community would like the most and then the final decisions are probably made internally by iNc and company. Seems like the most logical thing, but we'll see what iNcontroL or someone says.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
February 22 2011 02:00 GMT
#87
On February 22 2011 10:50 iNcontroL wrote:
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On February 22 2011 10:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get the maximum 5 players per team thing wouldn't mind hearing more on it. I can think of maybe 2-3 teams who can line up 6 players that can all make a deep run in such a tournament. This whole rule seems to have a rather small impact on the tournament but it badly hurts a few individual players, and I don't see the gain in removing 2 world class players from your tournament because they share a team tag with 5 others. If they're good enough they're good enough.

Probably missing something about this rule but can't figure out what. Can't wait for additional information to come out.


1 player per division is important to this league.

Also with the league only being 50 players it's important teams are at least on face equally represented in a small league.

The OPEN allows for ANYONE to qualifty. #6 in your team? Sup, OPEN

Sup 1000 man qualifier!?
On the other hand I totally get the 5 Korean limit rule.. Tis is NOT a Global Starleague. Its the NASL. You have to keep things tilted to the american side of things as much as possible. Kinda similar to the ESL.
But yeah I disagree with any rule that just applies to basically 1 team(i.e. TL) at the moment... EG, DIgnitas, Root while excellent have noway to say they have anything like >5 truly world class players. And the team-kill logic makes NO sense as Naz aptly illustrated.
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Babaganoush
Profile Joined November 2010
United States626 Posts
February 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#88
On February 22 2011 10:58 Pervect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:57 Serpico wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:53 Babaganoush wrote:
I'm curious as to why you will not allow individuals to participate in your league, meaning individuals without a team. Trying to filter out people like PiqLiq or something? lol.

hot lava flows.


I'm creating a company called Hot Lava Flow for the sole purpose of sponsoring PiQLiQ and sending him to NASL.


Is this some sort of inside joke?
Stick a fork in those buns.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
February 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#89
I'm not sure it makes sense to even talk about teams in this context. When sports leagues talk about teams, they don't mean "groups of people who call themselves a team" - a team needs to have official standing with the league. There's no central team registry for starcraft 2, so who counts? Do OGS members take away from Liquid's cap, since they practice together? If not, then I propose Tyler and Haypro form a new team, "PseudoLiquid," that will "partner" with Liquid for training purposes. TLAF might even be willing to sponsor them too.

Obviously we all know what the current "teams" are, but I mention the OGS-Liquid example to show that this stuff happens naturally. Teams really do merge, and it happens gradually. Also, this applies not just to the 5 person cap, but also to the requirement that you be on a team in order to participate. What counts as being "on a team"?
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
February 22 2011 02:01 GMT
#90
Teams are already vote-boosting themselves. You can see some lesser known teams surging forward.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
February 22 2011 02:02 GMT
#91
anyway the guy that wins the 1000 man qualifier i think he should be crowned best player in sc2 and just take all prize lol
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 22 2011 02:02 GMT
#92
On February 22 2011 10:57 tree.hugger wrote:
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On February 22 2011 10:50 iNcontroL wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get the maximum 5 players per team thing wouldn't mind hearing more on it. I can think of maybe 2-3 teams who can line up 6 players that can all make a deep run in such a tournament. This whole rule seems to have a rather small impact on the tournament but it badly hurts a few individual players, and I don't see the gain in removing 2 world class players from your tournament because they share a team tag with 5 others. If they're good enough they're good enough.

Probably missing something about this rule but can't figure out what. Can't wait for additional information to come out.


1 player per division is important to this league.

Also with the league only being 50 players it's important teams are at least on face equally represented in a small league.

The OPEN allows for ANYONE to qualifty. #6 in your team? Sup, OPEN

iNc, what kind of participation are you expecting from other teams? I'm sure teams will want to be a part of this, but none of the players or managers seemed to have been informed of the details yet.

Are there plans to support European teams if they come over? Have you contacted the other teams and locked down some participants?


It's being taken care of We don't need to make EVERYTHING public. That is a bit unrealistic. Please read through the stuff we put out there and if you really really have some mind bending question that you think might have slipped passed us PM me.

hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 22 2011 02:02 GMT
#93
On February 22 2011 10:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get the maximum 5 players per team thing wouldn't mind hearing more on it. I can think of maybe 2-3 teams who can line up 6 players that can all make a deep run in such a tournament. This whole rule seems to have a rather small impact on the tournament but it badly hurts a few individual players, and I don't see the gain in removing 2 world class players from your tournament because they share a team tag with 5 others. If they're good enough they're good enough.

Probably missing something about this rule but can't figure out what. Can't wait for additional information to come out.

This is pretty significant. Look, we all know teams like Liquid have more than 5 players who could easily make it to the top given a proper qualification procedure and it seems unfair to prevent them from competing, especially because those spots will be given to players on teams like VT and whatnot (who are comparatively terrible, sorry).
joomanjii
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States284 Posts
February 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#94
On February 22 2011 11:00 SushilS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:50 iNcontroL wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get the maximum 5 players per team thing wouldn't mind hearing more on it. I can think of maybe 2-3 teams who can line up 6 players that can all make a deep run in such a tournament. This whole rule seems to have a rather small impact on the tournament but it badly hurts a few individual players, and I don't see the gain in removing 2 world class players from your tournament because they share a team tag with 5 others. If they're good enough they're good enough.

Probably missing something about this rule but can't figure out what. Can't wait for additional information to come out.


1 player per division is important to this league.

Also with the league only being 50 players it's important teams are at least on face equally represented in a small league.

The OPEN allows for ANYONE to qualifty. #6 in your team? Sup, OPEN

Sup 1000 man qualifier!?
On the other hand I totally get the 5 Korean limit rule.. Tis is NOT a Global Starleague. Its the NASL. You have to keep things tilted to the american side of things as much as possible. Kinda similar to the ESL.
But yeah I disagree with any rule that just applies to basically 1 team(i.e. TL) at the moment... EG, DIgnitas, Root while excellent have noway to say they have anything like >5 truly world class players. And the team-kill logic makes NO sense as Naz aptly illustrated.


It's a 5 person TEAM limit. If both OGS and IM send 5 players to the NASL they count as two separate teams.

Anyways, it'd be awesome to see more Korean teams get in on this :D
"zerg should have taken every gas on the map, built as many hatches as he could, walked out of his booth, and pressed his dick against the glass of the terran's booth until all his buildings went down." - bronzeterran
Oxb
Profile Joined August 2010
199 Posts
February 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#95
On February 22 2011 10:49 ithree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:42 Karthane wrote:
I'm still a little baffled. Where the hell are they getting 400,000 dollars??

Theres been no mention of sponsors so all thats left is the Paid HD stream and they even talk about making money in the interview so I'm not sure what their expecting..
Can't imagine Justin.tv putting money into ontop of providing the stream and laying fiber, but maybe.

Still don't understand where incontrol is, I mean he's already closed a thread (about Huks Twitter) so not he's off the grid, the stream was (mostly) pre-recorded so theres no big stress to relieve, there isnt even an official thread so everyone's all of the place.

Anyway thanks motbob ofr making something semi-offical


Blizzard is sponsoring/insured the money. No mention of sponsors yet*, Some buisiness guy is basically backing this since he saw a 'nice buisiness'. If you want to start a store you get a good buisiness plan and go to a bank, there's ur money.
Justin.tv had 20k viewers during the announcement so say about 1/4 of that will pay for a season ticket. 5k *20$ = 100.000 :o prize money reimbursed. Looking how the votes are running and how hyped this all is there will definitely be some sponsors, intel and razer are always/everywhere sponsoring e-sport events. If the first weeks show promising I think sponsors will come in for the lans.
Then there's a bunch of people who are going to watch the free stream, what about you pop an add or 2 between the games, 10k viewers on the free streams, 0.02$ add/viewers = 200$ per advertisement. they are talking about 3hours of games, so I guess that's like 5 or 6games a night? That's another 1000$ profit from advertisements alone, every night.

Yes these are very speculative number but looking just at season tickets (if it takes off a bit decently) and advertisements they already got a huge sum covered, and then there is sponsorship.
So it's definitely possible to make this very proffitable.
orotoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States298 Posts
February 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#96
I don't see why it's not just an open tournament with qualifiers. If the pros we love are really that good, then they will make it to the top. If there are some unknowns out there who could crush idra and huk, well I wanna watch those guys. The popularity system goes against everything that Starcraft is about. This is a COMPETITIVE e-sport, not a popularity contest.

I understand that they want the games to be entertaining, but people are impressed by the skills of the players, not their names. People wanna watch Jinro because he is awesome at Starcraft 2, and we would be even more entertained by someone who is better.
BLARRGHGHH
Pervect
Profile Joined June 2007
1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 02:05:42
February 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#97
On February 22 2011 11:01 Babaganoush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:58 Pervect wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:57 Serpico wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:53 Babaganoush wrote:
I'm curious as to why you will not allow individuals to participate in your league, meaning individuals without a team. Trying to filter out people like PiqLiq or something? lol.

hot lava flows.


I'm creating a company called Hot Lava Flow for the sole purpose of sponsoring PiQLiQ and sending him to NASL.


Is this some sort of inside joke?


iNc said on his stream last night that PiQLiQ would randomly send him messages that said hot lava flow sometimes

Also this announcment has owned so hard, still super pumped. Hype was worth it
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
February 22 2011 02:03 GMT
#98
Solid`Nazgul gogo
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
imyzhang
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada809 Posts
February 22 2011 02:04 GMT
#99
cant wait for this to start =] great find/writeup
bleh
Fanciful
Profile Joined March 2010
United States59 Posts
February 22 2011 02:04 GMT
#100
"But it's definitely a grass roots effort in the sense that we're not hiring out, we're not getting crews to come in here. We're definitely getting trained by professionals but I mean it's gonna be run by Andre (Gretorp) and myself, Russ, Duncan, and the varying people surrounding GosuCoaching and our friends that kind of came together and helped put this together."


I don't understand why more of the TL community cannot be involved. There are many talented people in this community that would willingly work for free solely to see Starcraft 2 take off as a profitable esport. I understand that the budget is small but that doesn't mean the production value has to suffer. Why not ask for help?

running a nightly show, 3 hours a day for 25 weeks is going to be brutal unless you have a decent sized crew. I love the ambition and so does everyone else, you guys should have some sort of rush night.

What is the harm is asking?
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