[Spoiler] Next Bonjwa? - Page 16

On March 03 2009 10:31 Cambium wrote:
sixteen pages in, still not a concrete definition of "bonjwa"

No wonder this discussion is going nowhere...

On March 03 2009 10:44 Atrioc wrote:


the discussion is going nowhere because its a stupid discussion

bisu is not a bonjwa by any definition other than "highest rated player right now" (which is not an accepted definition)

he doenst have an osl title, a commanding lead in ELO or Kespa points, a winning record vs his rivals, a better winner's league/proleague performance than his rivals, a long stretch at kespa #1, and most importantly

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On March 03 2009 10:54 disciple wrote:

and just when the winning record against the rivals became a bonjwa factor, statistically all the previous kings were getting owned by someone in particular , boxer- garimto, oov- july, savior-bisu. By pure winning percentage Bisu is performing not worse than the so called bonjwas during their primes, but the thing is that KTY can not make a considerable gap between JD,Flash and himself. They are just playing so very good as well. For one to shine,another need to suck at the same time, you know...

On March 03 2009 11:31 Kyo Yuy wrote:
As a Bisu fan, I will say that Bisu is not a bonjwa.

And in fact, I would rather that he never become a bonjwa. For it seems that, when people become so impeccably dominant that they don't think they can lose, they gain (at least internally) a huge ego that causes them to be unable to accept defeat when someone finally stops their domination streak.

As Bisu says, all the bonjwas of the past have ended up falling into a deep abyss and never attaining the same high caliber of skill that they were known for having.

I'd rather Bisu be a really consistent player that just manages to keep winning as time passes, as opposed to a completely dominant, overpowering player that ends up falling into the abyss after THAT ONE PLAYER manages to completely topple him.

Even if Jaedong is better than Bisu, I think only blind fanboys and hardcore anti fanboys can say that Jaedong is VASTLY SUPERIOR to Bisu. In my opinion, sometimes Jaedong plays better and sometimes Bisu plays better, similar to the Lee-Ssang rivalry between Jaedong and Flash.

But why does it matter if Bisu is bonjwa or not? He's a good player who revolutionized the essence of PvZ. That's good enough for me.

On March 03 2009 11:08 Atrioc wrote:
#2 - Oov has a winning record over July, 13-12, and the only time he met up with July in a finals situation (with money on the line) he won 3-0 e-z. That is what a bonjwa does to their rivals.

On March 03 2009 11:36 Mindcrime wrote:


Oov lost 1-3 in the ITV finals.

On March 03 2009 11:49 Atrioc wrote:


Sorry I didnt know that was for money.
Still with iTV going out of business and all + Oov having a winning record overall vs July, I think the point still stands. Oov fought a tough opponent but he came out ahead overall.

On March 03 2009 12:37 Guybrush wrote:
The Bonjwa pattern has holes as well
NaDa 3 OSLs
Oov 2 OSLs
Savior 1 OSL
Bisu 0 OSL(?)

On March 03 2009 14:07 Atrioc wrote:


No, because its still only the 1st OSL that takes place during the "Bonjwa reign"

NaDa has 3 OSL's, but two are from radically different time periods. To say the OSL he got over anytime in 2006 is from the same "bonjwa" period as the OSL he won over Chojja in 2003 is ludicrious.

Same with Oov's 2nd OSL title, which only came after he was raped 5-0 by sAviOr in CYON (and by Xellos) and was clearly no longer the Monster/Bonjwa.

For all we know sAviOr could win an OSL next season - but the 3msl1osl pattern wouldnt change.

On March 03 2009 10:31 Cambium wrote:
sixteen pages in, still not a concrete definition of "bonjwa"

No wonder this discussion is going nowhere...