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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
March 01 2009 19:17 GMT
#281
you can't have a clear-cut bonjwa in an era where there are (at least) three top players capable of beating any other player. Bisu has made his case for being called one of the greatest players ever, but he simply can't be a bonjwa, not in this era.
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
March 01 2009 19:50 GMT
#282
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.
yes.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
March 01 2009 20:32 GMT
#283
On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior never used Zealots. =P
SteelString
Profile Joined July 2006
446 Posts
March 01 2009 20:37 GMT
#284
On March 02 2009 05:32 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior never used Zealots. =P

but I guarantee you that they all know how to make them hold position
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
March 01 2009 20:37 GMT
#285
On March 02 2009 05:37 SteelString wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 05:32 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior never used Zealots. =P

but I guarantee you that they all know how to make them hold position

Knowing and remembering to do it are different
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
kazokun
Profile Joined April 2008
United States163 Posts
March 01 2009 20:43 GMT
#286
On March 02 2009 05:37 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 05:37 SteelString wrote:
On March 02 2009 05:32 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior never used Zealots. =P

but I guarantee you that they all know how to make them hold position

Knowing and remembering to do it are different


Ok,
bonjwas remember to keep their zealots in hold position.
Who wants to be a dragon when you can be Anytime? - Fontong
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8201 Posts
March 01 2009 20:45 GMT
#287
On March 02 2009 05:37 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 05:37 SteelString wrote:
On March 02 2009 05:32 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior never used Zealots. =P

but I guarantee you that they all know how to make them hold position

Knowing and remembering to do it are different

Well, as long as you haven't seen him doing it, you can't be sure that he really know how to do it.

[/Troll]
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
piskooooo
Profile Joined November 2008
United States351 Posts
March 01 2009 20:53 GMT
#288
On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.


And they don't rate their opponents macro at 5, only to get out macro'd.
<3 MKP
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
March 01 2009 20:58 GMT
#289
On March 02 2009 05:53 piskooooo wrote:
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On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.


And they don't rate their opponents macro at 5, only to get out macro'd.

I fail to see in which game Bisu got out-macro'd...
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
March 01 2009 21:02 GMT
#290
wow Boxer and Nada long ass time on top of the word, such absolute domination.. the rest have nothing on them.
Xellos <3
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
March 01 2009 21:23 GMT
#291
On March 02 2009 06:02 iloveHieu wrote:
wow Boxer and Nada long ass time on top of the word, such absolute domination.. the rest have nothing on them.

I wonder who's dominated the longest if you disregard the actual time, and focus only on the amount of games. Coz time means nothing if you don't play games.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 01 2009 21:45 GMT
#292
How about we start talking about how Jaedong is going to be the next Bonjwa instead. It's pretty clear after beating the fake protoss Bonjwa he's going to be back better than ever. Subjectivity anyone?
Guss
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Sweden712 Posts
March 01 2009 21:54 GMT
#293
On March 02 2009 06:45 Durak wrote:
How about we start talking about how Jaedong is going to be the next Bonjwa instead. It's pretty clear after beating the fake protoss Bonjwa he's going to be back better than ever. Subjectivity anyone?


Yeah jaedong has won as many titles as bisu, been as dominant for as long and is clearly better..... OH WAIT?
Bisu[Shield] FIGHTING!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 01 2009 21:59 GMT
#294
On March 02 2009 06:54 Guss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 06:45 Durak wrote:
How about we start talking about how Jaedong is going to be the next Bonjwa instead. It's pretty clear after beating the fake protoss Bonjwa he's going to be back better than ever. Subjectivity anyone?


Yeah jaedong has won as many titles as bisu, been as dominant for as long and is clearly better..... OH WAIT?

Maybe not as many SL titles (he has three compared to four), but he does have more gold medals and silver medals than Bisu does. And I'm pretty sure the original post was sarcasm. -.-
Jaedong
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 01 2009 22:04 GMT
#295
On March 02 2009 06:54 Guss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 06:45 Durak wrote:
How about we start talking about how Jaedong is going to be the next Bonjwa instead. It's pretty clear after beating the fake protoss Bonjwa he's going to be back better than ever. Subjectivity anyone?


Yeah jaedong has won as many titles as bisu, been as dominant for as long and is clearly better..... OH WAIT?

All-time winning percentage:
Jaedong: 66.78%
Bisu: 63.19%

Months number1 at Kespa:
Bisu: 5 (2 in a row)
Jaedong: 4 (4 in a row)

It really is nonsense to suggest Bisu is a Bonjwa.
He's undoubtedly one of the greatest players of all time, but that's all.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 01 2009 22:20 GMT
#296
On March 02 2009 06:54 Guss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 06:45 Durak wrote:
How about we start talking about how Jaedong is going to be the next Bonjwa instead. It's pretty clear after beating the fake protoss Bonjwa he's going to be back better than ever. Subjectivity anyone?


Yeah jaedong has won as many titles as bisu, been as dominant for as long and is clearly better..... OH WAIT?


Your fanboyism has blinded you to other players stats, like Flash and Jaedong... which are quite frankly just as good if not better.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
March 01 2009 22:35 GMT
#297
On March 02 2009 05:37 SteelString wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 05:32 Jyvblamo wrote:
On March 02 2009 04:50 DeathSpank wrote:
bonjwa's know how to keep their zelots on hold position.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior never used Zealots. =P

but I guarantee you that they all know how to make them hold position

I guaruntee that July knows how to click adrenal glands but he's not Bonjwa
Liquid | SKT
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 02 2009 17:51 GMT
#298
On March 02 2009 07:04 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 06:54 Guss wrote:
On March 02 2009 06:45 Durak wrote:
How about we start talking about how Jaedong is going to be the next Bonjwa instead. It's pretty clear after beating the fake protoss Bonjwa he's going to be back better than ever. Subjectivity anyone?


Yeah jaedong has won as many titles as bisu, been as dominant for as long and is clearly better..... OH WAIT?

...It really is nonsense to suggest Bisu is a Bonjwa.
He's undoubtedly one of the greatest players of all time, but that's all.


That's the crux of my post. You can't simply call a player who's playing well a Bonjwa. If you did, the title would be "current best player" instead.

The "ridiculousness" that you think about calling Jaedong a Bonjwa demonstrates my point. There has been little, if any, discussion about him being a Bonjwa even though he has very similar accomplishments. In fact, he just beat Bisu in a straight up Bo5.

In my opinion, Bonjwa is a title given to a player that has a long enough period of dominance to prove that he is better than all the other players. It is not simply given to a player who is just playing well. As many have said, "You don't need to ask if he's a Bonjwa." This is accepted as true because everyone will agree once a player is a Bonjwa, not just fanboys of his race.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 02 2009 18:00 GMT
#299
Bisu will have to keep this up for at least another 5 months for me to start to consider it.
ChoboOv
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada126 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-02 19:38:20
March 02 2009 18:05 GMT
#300
Even if Bisu did win the series there would have been a lot of people still saying he isn't Bonjwa. People would have made random excuses to why he isn't if he won, and now people are making random excuses as to why he isn't because he lost.

This match was not going to decide if he was bonjwa or not, one match never does. A bonjwa must prove himself over an extended period of time not over one game. Now this loss does not help him in his quest to become bonjwa as he made a couple of blaring mistakes. IMHO it is really ignorant to take mistakes from ONE game and use that as proof that he isn't bonjwa material. Every pro gamer losses, no one has a 100% winning percentage. Hopefully he will be able to take the mistakes he made from this loss and improve on them.

I hope to see a OSL final rematch as that last game had soo much build up to it and it ended in such a "weak" fashion.


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