EPTHave You Ever Had a Prostitute? - Page 8
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On November 27 2007 04:38 Ansible wrote: gigglesif you believed in magic, you don't bother to choose. it doesn't matter if its jug band music or rhythm/blues, you just go listen and start with a smile, it won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try to justify prostitution. if you really believed in magic, come along with me, we'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me, and maybe, if the music is right, i'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night. and we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see, how the magic's in the music and the music's in me. yeah, do you believe in magic. yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul. No. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On November 27 2007 05:22 SuperJongMan wrote: Two medium domino's pizzas are pretty tempting too. Especially if you got the munchies. | ||
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
On November 27 2007 03:27 Tien wrote: Just because someone has different values than you do doesn't make you a "better" human being. What if I married a money hungry bitch that will only sleep with me when I shower her with gifts? How many relationships are going on like this? What kind of a relationship do you call this? Do you call this a "special" man-woman relationship? How about all the hoards of women attracted to wealthy rich individuals? You don't ruin the man-woman relationship with prostitution.... Prostitution is merely a part of it, whether you want to admit it or not. Prostitution is a word people use to explain the act of trading money for sex. If you take that definition of the word, you can see a host of relationships / marriages that are based around that definition. Man marrying woman for sex / hotness while woman marrying man for the wealth and power, and then they blend that alltogether with a ring on their finger and call it love. You just can't black and white this issue. Many of you guys really have high utopian ideals for sex / male - female relationships that simply exist in your minds but doesn't exist in the real world. You're the only one calling me a better human being. Flattering as that might be, there's no need to put words in my mouth. And, yes, you are right, there are many other ways to make both sex and relationships less special. Prostitution is one of them. Ad-hoc prostitution, which is essentially what you are describing in your various examples of trading money for sex is another. It's your description of Utopian relationships which is black and white. I believe that: a) A very intimate relationship between men and women is possible (probably men and men too, for that matter, but I don't swing that way) b) Being part of such a relationship is one of the most satisfying (gratifying?) experiences you can find c) Buying hookers take away part of what can make such a relationship special As an aside, I view sex to be just as much about appreciating and being appreciated as it is about stimulating your glans. The physical sensation lasts some minutes. This may sound all Hollywood and silly, but is not very different from how I only eat sweets very rarely, so I do not case to appreciate the, how I only want to celebrate Christmas once a year and how I do not want to study music because I want it to remain only a hobby I can appreciate as such. It is also my impression than many male posters in this thread fail to realize how differently men and women view sex. One of the most basic evolutionary instincts of any mammalian female is a need to be able to chose who she mates with, and to be reasonably picky about it. In mammals with a long gestation period who form familial bonds to raise their young (i.e. humans) this need is extremely strong. Women can, for evolutionary reasons, not be casual about sex, and birth control does not change this instinct. Studies demonstrate unequivocally that men are far more interested in short-term casual sex than women. In one now-classic study, 75 percent of undergraduate men approached by an attractive female stranger agreed to have sex with her; none of the women approached by an attractive male stranger did. Many men who would not date the stranger nonetheless agreed to have sex with her. Source: http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070622-000002.xml I have not verified that this is not bullshit statistics, but it sounds reasonable. Prostitution takes away one of the most important rights of a female, that of choosing carefully who she has sex with. Therefore, extremely few women can be content to be prostitutes. | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
Not many people can be content cleaning public toilets... i mean who can enjoy flushing random massive shits and nasty stuff ffs..... But its a job and like 90% of people hate their jobs, atleast prostitution is very well paid and there are many prostitutes that are happy with their job. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On November 26 2007 15:42 Kingkosi wrote: This boy i know dad got him a prostitute for his 18th birthday because he knew his son was a virgin and couldn't get laid on his own. He told us the story and i remember all of us making fun of him because he said he kissed her haha... good times... wtf? made no sense after the 18 thing. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32058 Posts
On November 27 2007 08:18 Titusmaster6 wrote: wtf? made no sense after the 18 thing. Think about it for a second. Would you really wanna kiss a prostitute? Let me simplify this: Would you ever kiss your girlfriend after she gave you head? How bout a random girl who's prolly sucked 25x that amount of dicks in that night? | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On November 26 2007 21:20 HonestTea wrote: Do I hear TL's first in house porno in production?Remember, while you have sex, PUERTORICAN IS WATCHING YOU | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On November 26 2007 22:32 GrandInquisitor wrote: I 100% do not agree with this post, and not from either of the bullshit reasons you gave as opposition. Prostitution carries with it a lot of associated deleterious social harms I mean, okay, point number one - number of prostitutes goes up. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think we can all agree that no matter our stance on whether or not it should be legal, you need to justify its subsequent explosive growth and pervasive impact as occupation of choice for many women, and the massive negatives that come from that. (see hong kong) as far as you accept that the government has any paternalistic obligation whatsoever, then this seems chief among their interests to protect against, and not simply because you're flooding the market with supply, making everyone's life harder. Cleaning toilets is degrading, but honestly, don't even try to argue its as degrading as prostitution. Second, you need to recognize that you can paint it as 'two mutually consenting adults' all you want, but the same reason we ban incest between 'mutually consenting adults' is the reason prostitution is still banned. 'Mutual consent' is very rarely so. Even absent pimp or absolute coercion (lol human trafficking won't occur? Really? From countries where prostitution isn't legal to countries where it is? Or the other way around? It will still be there, and grow once you create a legal market for it!), economic factors mean what happens with a volunteer military (where only poor people join, because rich people don't need the financial incentives), happens for prostitution, only 100x, and only for women Third, to assume that a black market for prostutition won't still exist is absurd. Pimps and prostitutes unwilling to be subjected to all this regulation will simply continue doing what they've been doing - operate under the law - and continue to recruit people. It's not a matter of 'Oh no one will go to them because why not just go to a guaranteed government whore?', it's a matter of 'Oh man gov't whores are soooo expensive cause they have to get std checking after every single sex act, which is really expensive for everyone involved, so i'm just going to go to this girl on the street, who swears she's clean'. (Or one can even imagine a black market for 'whores that swear they are clean, so they'll let you have sex without a condom on', which I'm sure many people are willing to take the risk for so that it feels better.) Wow you arent even posing a challenge dude seriously: First of all you mention the growth of # of prostitutes as a bad thing, imo it isn but lets not argue about it... i think the fact that all the current prostitutes death, rape and violence ratio would nearly dissapear... also the number of diseases would go down drastically overcomes any possible negative thing you see in an increasing number of regulated prostitutes. Second you think the state should regulate what 2 concenting adults can do in their bedrooms?, and you compare Incest to it?... first of all incest is illegal mainly because it fucks up the gene pool and there is a HUGE increase in malformations and genetic diseases like down syndrome, and personally i dont think incest should be illegal, as morally wrong u think it is, the state should not legislate based on morality. You insist of human traffic... regulated prostitution is done in whorehouses, a whorehouse is NOT going to jeopardize their whole bussiness to get a "cheap" illegal girl when they can hire hundreds or legal girls, thats what the hole REGULATION is for!!! the state will constantly check the stablishments for any illegal activity, its nearly impossible to do that and actually there would be no market for illegal girls. Third first of all its not "government" whore, i never suggested that the state should fucking run whorehouses, it would be private bussinesses. The funny thing is now you think the prices will go up so much... when a few paragraphs before you stated that there would be much more prostitutes (that would lower the price my friend), ooops. And even if that would happen do you think many people would just decide to commit a dangerous crime for a few less bucks?, no dummy, they wont... but more importantly there wont be a big black market since it would be a private bussiness, so i can guarantee you there will be a whore for everybody's budget. Oh and last time i checked whores prices in Amsterdam where quite reasonable. | ||
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Zherak
Norway256 Posts
On November 27 2007 08:09 baal wrote: There are many prostitutes that are happy with their job. Are there? Skeptical, though curious. And, regarding your reply to GI: Why are we assuming that enforcement of laws going to work out if prostitution is legalized? Magic is not automatically going to happen, you know. I don't see regulation of a legalized market as inherently simple, while enforcement of a ban is apparently impossible. | ||
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LOcDowN
United States1015 Posts
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baal
10541 Posts
On November 27 2007 08:36 Zherak wrote: Are there? Skeptical, though curious. And, regarding your reply to GI: Why are we assuming that enforcement of laws going to work out if prostitution is legalized? Magic is not automatically going to happen, you know. I don't see regulation of a legalized market as inherently simple, while enforcement of a ban is apparently impossible. yes there are, as i said earlier you should watch Bullshit's episode on legalization of prostitution, they interview 3 prostitutes all of them happy with their job, one of them is a politicla activist, an old woman who were a whore for an entire life and she says she is proud and happy about it. The other is a girl in a legal regularized whore house, she is happy with her job she wins good money and its a pretty safe and clean place. The third is an illegal prostitute, she says she likes her job because it pays good and it has flexible hours, (she has no pimp obv), but she is afraid that in a future she will have a violent encounter... thing that wouldnt be possible if prostitution were legalized. | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On November 27 2007 08:47 LOcDowN wrote: Incredibly disgusting to accept prostitution as legal in society. To promote prostitution and viewing it as "normal" is wrong in multiple aspects. There is no need to argue about this, please just look at society right now and where the general perspective stands on prostitution, there are reasons why it is anti-prostitution from the start. There are quite a few members on TL.net that deserve to go on the shit list, wake the fuck up if you are still trying to promote prostitution. This is a discussion forum -.- if you say its wrong on many aspects you should expose them or dont post your ignorant opinion at all seriously wtf, especially if you condemnt us all to the "shit list" rofl. | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
If a woman (without any outside force) WANTS to fuck dudes for money, then WHO the fuck are YOU or the STATE to tell her what to do with her OWN body? | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
On November 27 2007 08:47 LOcDowN wrote: Incredibly disgusting to accept prostitution as legal in society. To promote prostitution and viewing it as "normal" is wrong in multiple aspects. There is no need to argue about this, please just look at society right now and where the general perspective stands on prostitution, there are reasons why it is anti-prostitution from the start. There are quite a few members on TL.net that deserve to go on the shit list, wake the fuck up if you are still trying to promote prostitution. Better adjust your posting behavior;/ I like prostitution and I'm gonna do a 4some with 3 girls I ordered from the yellow pages in 30 minutes. I hope you are rooting for me Baal and LocDown | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On November 27 2007 10:25 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Better adjust your posting behavior;/ I like prostitution and I'm gonna do a 4some with 3 girls I ordered from the yellow pages in 30 minutes. I hope you are rooting for me Baal and LocDown Watch out, I'm going to put you on my shit list and teamliquid will frown on you. Be afraid. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On November 27 2007 10:16 Rayzorblade wrote: I think the most obvious argument is this: If a woman (without any outside force) WANTS to fuck dudes for money, then WHO the fuck are YOU or the STATE to tell her what to do with her OWN body? its not really that simple for a lot of prostitutes that said, if it were legalized and heavily regulated it could be a lot safer for them. its the same truth that applies to a lot of laws that are a result of blind moral crusaders. too bad. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
I can't believe that issue isn't dominating this conversation. It's the first thing I thought about when I read the title. | ||
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