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On November 26 2007 07:45 Snet wrote: I would consider it if I knew the prostitute was 100% clean.
Then she wouldn't be a prostitute, would she?
As for the poll, I'll be dammed if I ever think of turning to a prostitute for ANYthing -.-
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because they are ignorant retards?, also read your statistics about STDs wearing a condom from a reliable scientific source, no scandal publications plz.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
And yes, I know my position is fraught with harms I'll have to bite, like why is porn any different from prostitution, when one is just filming it and the other isn't. Really, I don't have a great answer for that, except that since there's a greater barrier to entry, it is not as lucrative and its effects are isolated to a small portion of the population, therefore not justifying the rights infringement by banning it. Which is empirically borne out.
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On November 26 2007 22:36 GrandInquisitor wrote: And yes, I know my position is fraught with harms I'll have to bite, like why is porn any different from prostitution, when one is just filming it and the other isn't. Really, I don't have a great answer for that, except that since there's a greater barrier to entry, it is not as lucrative and its effects are isolated to a small portion of the population, therefore not justifying the rights infringement by banning it. Which is empirically borne out. where do you want me to begin?
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I can't imagine fucking a prostitute is any better than winning with maphack. I wouldn't have taken a prostitute if somebody offered to pay for me and she was one hundred percent clean. When a person's having sex with you only for the money, half the pleasure's gone already.
And, then comes the guilt of supporting something as reprehensible as prostitution. I realize some women might actually want to be prostitutes, much like I imagine there could potentially be some 40-old-guy, 8-year-old-boy relationships which both parties enjoy, but for simplicity's sake, I would rather just ban both of them.
Of course, illegal prostitution combined with the police not having the resources to deal with the black market is yet worse than legal prostitution.
I believe our lives need some things to be special. If we are going to ruin the magic of the man-woman relationship with prostitution, I think we lose part of what makes life good. I have trouble seeing how anybody, buyers or sellers, have had their lives bettered by prostitution, but I realize other people must have greatly different values than I do, looking at all the fucked up shit around us.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Noone wants to ruin the magic Zherak. It's just leaving people to do what they want. Yes, the whole picture is somewhat idealistic, but there will still be women with a wish to have a family, and they will still have "the magic". Besides, you offer a girl a drink, go a sightseeing tour with her in your car, then she gets laid, what's so magical about it? Essentially, you play the same game, just with more intricate action. Whether or not this intricateness is the source of the magic is still do be determined.
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On November 27 2007 01:52 BluzMan wrote: Noone wants to ruin the magic Zherak. It's just leaving people to do what they want. Yes, the whole picture is somewhat idealistic, but there will still be women with a wish to have a family, and they will still have "the magic". Besides, you offer a girl a drink, go a sightseeing tour with her in your car, then she gets laid, what's so magical about it? Essentially, you play the same game, just with more intricate action. Whether or not this intricateness is the source of the magic is still do be determined. well, he's talking about the special magic in man-woman relationships. you have to experience it. do you believe in magic? in a young girl's heart? it's like music... it can free you, it can free her, wherever it starts. it's hard to explain, it's like really groovy music, it makes you feel happy like an old-time movie. if you only knew, i'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Yes, I believed in magic when I was 18, and then I figured out what to do with women.
If freeing soul was that easy, we would all be happy persons everywhere, but we aren't because even the old groovy music makes you bored eventually.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Baal and Strafe pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Seems to be as if society is split in 2 categories:
Those that accept the human nature aspect of it and see life as shades of grey.
And those that want to deny the human nature aspect of it and see everything as either black or white, right or wrong.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
On November 27 2007 01:36 Zherak wrote: I can't imagine fucking a prostitute is any better than winning with maphack. I wouldn't have taken a prostitute if somebody offered to pay for me and she was one hundred percent clean. When a person's having sex with you only for the money, half the pleasure's gone already.
And, then comes the guilt of supporting something as reprehensible as prostitution. I realize some women might actually want to be prostitutes, much like I imagine there could potentially be some 40-old-guy, 8-year-old-boy relationships which both parties enjoy, but for simplicity's sake, I would rather just ban both of them.
Of course, illegal prostitution combined with the police not having the resources to deal with the black market is yet worse than legal prostitution.
I believe our lives need some things to be special. If we are going to ruin the magic of the man-woman relationship with prostitution, I think we lose part of what makes life good. I have trouble seeing how anybody, buyers or sellers, have had their lives bettered by prostitution, but I realize other people must have greatly different values than I do, looking at all the fucked up shit around us.
Just because someone has different values than you do doesn't make you a "better" human being.
What if I married a money hungry bitch that will only sleep with me when I shower her with gifts? How many relationships are going on like this? What kind of a relationship do you call this? Do you call this a "special" man-woman relationship?
How about all the hoards of women attracted to wealthy rich individuals?
You don't ruin the man-woman relationship with prostitution.... Prostitution is merely a part of it, whether you want to admit it or not. Prostitution is a word people use to explain the act of trading money for sex.
If you take that definition of the word, you can see a host of relationships / marriages that are based around that definition. Man marrying woman for sex / hotness while woman marrying man for the wealth and power, and then they blend that alltogether with a ring on their finger and call it love.
You just can't black and white this issue.
Many of you guys really have high utopian ideals for sex / male - female relationships that simply exist in your minds but doesn't exist in the real world.
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It might be fun to go through the thread and guess the age of the posters. ~_~;
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Maybe if I was drunk and some woman approached me. I wouldnt seek it out.
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I did when I was drunk in Amsterdam.
Paid double too.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On November 27 2007 03:18 Tien wrote: Baal and Strafe pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Seems to be as if society is split in 2 categories:
Those that accept the human nature aspect of it and see life as shades of grey.
And those that want to deny the human nature aspect of it and see everything as either black or white, right or wrong.
I prefer to look at life in colors. Shades of gray leave an opportunity for magnitude comparisons, whereas things around me are so obviously impossible to compare. How do you compare an ocean breeze mixed with the scent of pine leaves (I don't know the english word for pine "leaves", sorry me) to a good movie or a pretty girl's smile in a subway? Comparing things to each other might be a nice way to systemize your views on life, but it essentially simplifies them to the point they hardly bear any sense.
The above is especially true for the relationships between a man and a woman. Sometimes it's absolutely awesome to have sex with a girl whose name you don't even know and never see her ever after, such events may set themselves into your memory forever.
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Alcohol makes you do interesting things.
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having sex with hookers in asia is a lot different from having sex from hookers anywhere else, in terms of just everything. As for the all women are whores part, it's true if you're rich, your money will be the thing every woman notices first, unless they're rich too. But guys are the same, if they have an opportunity to get more money and have a better life most of them would, but there are some that are satisfied with the life they have although it's not glamorous, same with girls.
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On November 27 2007 02:26 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2007 02:18 Ansible wrote:On November 27 2007 01:52 BluzMan wrote: Noone wants to ruin the magic Zherak. It's just leaving people to do what they want. Yes, the whole picture is somewhat idealistic, but there will still be women with a wish to have a family, and they will still have "the magic". Besides, you offer a girl a drink, go a sightseeing tour with her in your car, then she gets laid, what's so magical about it? Essentially, you play the same game, just with more intricate action. Whether or not this intricateness is the source of the magic is still do be determined. well, he's talking about the special magic in man-woman relationships. you have to experience it. do you believe in magic? in a young girl's heart? it's like music... it can free you, it can free her, wherever it starts. it's hard to explain, it's like really groovy music, it makes you feel happy like an old-time movie. if you only knew, i'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul. Yes, I believed in magic when I was 18, and then I figured out what to do with women. If freeing soul was that easy, we would all be happy persons everywhere, but we aren't because even the old groovy music makes you bored eventually. if you believed in magic, you don't bother to choose. it doesn't matter if its jug band music or rhythm/blues, you just go listen and start with a smile, it won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try to justify prostitution.
if you really believed in magic, come along with me, we'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me, and maybe, if the music is right, i'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night. and we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see, how the magic's in the music and the music's in me. yeah, do you believe in magic. yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul.
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On November 27 2007 04:38 Ansible wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2007 02:26 BluzMan wrote:On November 27 2007 02:18 Ansible wrote:On November 27 2007 01:52 BluzMan wrote: Noone wants to ruin the magic Zherak. It's just leaving people to do what they want. Yes, the whole picture is somewhat idealistic, but there will still be women with a wish to have a family, and they will still have "the magic". Besides, you offer a girl a drink, go a sightseeing tour with her in your car, then she gets laid, what's so magical about it? Essentially, you play the same game, just with more intricate action. Whether or not this intricateness is the source of the magic is still do be determined. well, he's talking about the special magic in man-woman relationships. you have to experience it. do you believe in magic? in a young girl's heart? it's like music... it can free you, it can free her, wherever it starts. it's hard to explain, it's like really groovy music, it makes you feel happy like an old-time movie. if you only knew, i'll tell you about the magic, and it'll free your soul. Yes, I believed in magic when I was 18, and then I figured out what to do with women. If freeing soul was that easy, we would all be happy persons everywhere, but we aren't because even the old groovy music makes you bored eventually. if you believed in magic, you don't bother to choose. it doesn't matter if its jug band music or rhythm/blues, you just go listen and start with a smile, it won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try to justify prostitution. if you really believed in magic, come along with me, we'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me, and maybe, if the music is right, i'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night. and we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see, how the magic's in the music and the music's in me. yeah, do you believe in magic. yeah, believe in the magic of a young girl's soul.
I think he's trying to seduce you.
This thread is entertaining!
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No I haven't but I sure as hell would try it :D
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The error I see in a lot of this thread is that people confuse a meaningful romantic relationship with a purely sexual relationship. I think prostitution should be legal, and so I essentially agree with Bluzman and others in that regard. I do think it should be regulated and that sex-workers (as opposed to using the word "prostitutes" or "whores") should be treated with respect.
But to say that having sex with your girlfriend is the same as sex with a prostitute is kind of weird, I think.
There is a whole spectrum of possible sexual relationships, from picking up a prostitute, to one night stand situations (which I think many of you are talking about), to friends with benefits situations, to serious monogamous relationships. Sex and love in a real relationship can't be anything like getting it on with a prostitute. Not that love-less sex is bad, but it's just different. The magic of a romantic relationship will not be there in a pay-for-sex arrangement. Then again, others might feel that the magic of casual sex is not there in the romance situation.
All this talk that boils down to all women being prostitutes in one way or another because guys ultimately have to pay for sex is very off-putting to me. You can't compare a relationship with picking up a prostitute.
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