EPT"9depot; 12rax/12gas"
12 rax? what about zealots? one zealot will dellay you so much...
2gates --> zea rush will kill you with ease..
LastShadow's TvP Pressure Guide. - Page 2
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
"9depot; 12rax/12gas" 12 rax? what about zealots? one zealot will dellay you so much... 2gates --> zea rush will kill you with ease.. | ||
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LibertyTerran
Vietnam711 Posts
On May 22 2007 23:07 mcmascote wrote: didnt read the whole thing but.. "9depot; 12rax/12gas" 12 rax? what about zealots? one zealot will dellay you so much... 2gates --> zea rush will kill you with ease.. Zealots rush won't kill you if you know how to "wall-in"  . 12 (or 11)rax/gas at the same time will get you to build factory slightly faster than 10 rax, 11 gas. | ||
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HiddenTalent
United States246 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On May 22 2007 23:10 LibertyTerran wrote: Zealots rush won't kill you if you know how to "wall-in" . 12 (or 11)rax/gas at the same time will get you to build factory slightly faster than 10 rax, 11 gas.he doesnt mention that, anyway he uses maps like tau cross, dunno if you can wall-in there, but never saw nobody doing it, and he even says "any map" in one of his bos... theres no way he would be able to wall in at luna, for example, before the first zea came in. i'm just wondering whats his counter to toss players that make 1-2 zeas just to dellay terran and then flood goons.. | ||
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fonger
United Kingdom1218 Posts
send your insane shit to his rofltooeasy base and PWN SOME ASS. This is a blend of Fakesteve/Manifesto7 and a little bit of Boxer style, and is completely different from anything I've encountered. I believe I invented it. As such I dub it "anal rape." Or "tanal rape" as I can also turtle at the same time as attacking with my entire army. I believe I absolutely rape all the best foreigners, and would prove it if I had the chance to play them, except Nony, who played like a fag with 50 bases and killed me. Twice. | ||
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Ganfei1
China667 Posts
On May 23 2007 00:59 mcmascote wrote: he doesnt mention that, anyway he uses maps like tau cross, dunno if you can wall-in there, but never saw nobody doing it, and he even says "any map" in one of his bos... theres no way he would be able to wall in at luna, for example, before the first zea came in. i'm just wondering whats his counter to toss players that make 1-2 zeas just to dellay terran and then flood goons.. I don't understand what your question is. This is pretty standard. Marine will get out in time. Some scvs + the marine will beat the zealot. Then it plays like a regular defense vs zealots. Have you never seen this? Maybe some people do the more recent gas and rax both at 11 at same time thing. Either way your rax finishes with plenty of time unless he is proxy 9 gating you or something. | ||
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LastWish
2013 Posts
However, as I open 90% of time fast dt into expansion, it eliminates most of the threats, except 2fact vult or a really, really fast vulture drop. But in those it all comes down to micro, so it can be beaten. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On May 22 2007 19:52 XyO wrote: This is very gas heavy. So the 12/12 is needed. I dont understand this. How does the gas heavy build means u have to go late rax/gas. It would make more sense if it is a mineral heavy build and 12/12 ensures your SCVs mine a bit longer before starting to build rax/geyser. someone enlighten me. | ||
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I-Emerge
United States435 Posts
LastShadow is my friend and I have seen his style crush many Protoss since I have known him. I am sure his guide will help many Terran players. I have read some of the gudie and chose to edit it for him as a gift. Since I support him and TL I thought that attempting to shorten the guide and clean it up a bit, would benifit everyone. I have PMed him asking if his doesn't mind and if he wants me to continue editing. I have a sample of what I have done below. I have suggested to him that he add some Screen Shots to go along with the replay request that you have made. Please help make this guide even better as a team and provide feedback on the sample I have provided. ====================================================================== LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDE Author: LaStShadOw Posted: May 22 2007 19:52 To: Teamliquid.net/Other Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide I-Emerge for revising this guide Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TERRAN vs. PROTOSS I think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema. Midas Rush - Any Map This is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable. Early Game Theme 7 Upgraded Marines 1 Tank 1 Expansion Move out and micro to no end. Chosen Build 9 Depot 11 Barracks 12 Gas NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Sout or Zealot rush. My Midas Rush offers me three things 1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado. 2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it. NOTE: Midas > Robo 3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---I-Emerge | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On May 23 2007 00:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote: anyone saying "reps" go to wgt search his name and dl the tvp reps o_O I tried searching shadow and its all C6. also xyo turned nothing. :s | ||
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abandonallhope
Sweden563 Posts
The only thing that I did not like is how you try to convince us you are so good by repeating over and over how you beat top foreigners, koreans alot better than you, and so on. I can live without that. I am sure you are a good player, but I can tell by reading your guide if you are good or not. It is not like I wouldn't have read it if you haven't mentioned how you beat top players in your first sentence. Thanks again. | ||
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I-Emerge
United States435 Posts
On May 23 2007 03:10 abandonallhope wrote: Thanks for the guide! The only thing that I did not like is how you try to convince us you are so good by repeating over and over how you beat top foreigners, koreans alot better than you, and so on, I can live without that. I am sure you are a good player but I can tell by reading your guide if you are good or not, it is not like I wouldn't have read it if you haven't mentioned how you beat top players in your first sentence. Thanks again. I agree with you. Although, I know that until recently, Lastshadow's name was not even known let alone having any creditablity to have a guide be relevent to anyone. I feel he is saving others the time of investingating him and his skills by just letting us know what he can do. Since his style is unique, we need to know that it is strong and viable. Also, when writing certain types of papers, it is recommended to project a strong point of view. When a guide is writen from your perspective with your unique style in mind, having a strong view of the material, helps to sell the concepts therein. ---I-Emerge | ||
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I-Emerge
United States435 Posts
On May 23 2007 03:06 niteReloaded wrote: I tried searching shadow and its all C6. also xyo turned nothing. :s I will ive you a link to his profile | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
nothing, all c6. cant u just give a link to his WGT account? | ||
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I-Emerge
United States435 Posts
On May 23 2007 03:40 niteReloaded wrote: nothing, all c6. cant u just give a link to his WGT account? Hm His accout seems to be gone. I don't know what happened to it. Perhaps he has changed his name... ---I-Emerge | ||
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Detonate
Iceland578 Posts
PvP, the denotation drop. Proceed with a 1 gate 2 zealot build, into 1/2 goons backup.(this is only done on ramped maps) make 2 robotics and get 3 shuttles and 6 reavers. as soon as shuttle speed is done, go blow up there nexus. congrats you are really cool.(beat sn3t with this build omg rofl) have fun and remember to not pressure at all. | ||
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stephman
Germany11 Posts
those are probably my favourite builds soon too | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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shemakesme
United Kingdom87 Posts
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