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UPDATED: New info to some strategies / replays to go along with them. Goodluck ^^.
I just wrote this...it took about 3 hours thinking it out / editing. I hope you all enjoy!
Author: LaStShadOw
To: Teamliquid.net/Other
Granted I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” I believe that my style is very unique/ and that I can contend with the top foreigners…. I have chosen to write a Tv? Super Pressure Style Guide to my Build Orders and Thoughts on what is going on.
Due to many people asking me to write a Super Pressure Oriented Terran Guide on wgt/gg.net/b.net, I have finally chosen to do so. So here it is ~ Also give some credit to daze for the format of this layout/guide. Thank You Daze.
Terran Versus Protoss
I think my Terran Versus Protoss is my best and most insane matchup. I really do not fear many protoss’ when go into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they aren’t some progamer. For I think my TvP can contend with the top foreigners ( IMO )
In Terran Vs Protoss, I generally tend to find myself opening with many many rush oriented attacks to try to gain myself a lead or put the protoss in a “what do I do” situation. I probably have a range of 7 to 10 builds.
#1.Midas Rush- Any Map
This is probably my most common rush in TvP. I believe that if controlled properly it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for many reasons. 1: Its deceptive 2: It hurts the protoss 3: Makes me feel comfortable. So when I make 7 marines 1 tank and up mines and move out -> FE. I generally will micro those units to no end. When I Midas rush, I use the 9depot/11rax/12gas build, for I need my rax up as soon as possible to stop early scout/zeal rush. Now this is what MY Midas seems to allow me
When I Midas rush I will get one of the following three things :
1: I will break down a 1gate range -> FE forcing them to cancle, giving me the faster FE and the same fact v gate ratio. This will allow me to jump to my 3 factories very fast and get to my fast pressure style immediately. Since he will lose goons, I can fastly reproduce and soon jump to 5fact Tornado.
2: I will catch them doing a robo build and ultimately dominate them -> go into base -> probe kills. And pretty much GG it right there. Not much more too it…Midas > Robo.
3: Be forced back due to 2 gate range/robo or 2gate range - > FE. I will then start a contain at a semi-far point from his choke…far enough so its not noticeable, but close enough so that its not 8 yrs to reach his nexus. This will generally make a protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it, ultimately giving me the lead going into a Pressure Push ( like midas vs draco) but much more aggressive.
I find this build to be my strongest/best
#2.Shadow Rush – Ramp Maps ; Longinius
Granted you may flame me, this is a rush I’m pretty sure I made up. In this rush You will use 2 factories. To do this you will need the 12rax/12gas for economic reasons. The build order is as follows : 9depot; 12rax/12gas ; 15depot ; 15 marine ; 16factory ; 19factory ; Factory finishs -> add-on / depot ; Second fact finishs – vulture. When the first fact gets its add on, Make a tank and upgrade siege( I prefer that the factory is viewable by a probe/goon, and that the second one/vults is further back). When you have 2 tanks, siege should finish. Now, Fake the FE by killing his probe @ choke or goons?. Continue to make tanks and now upgrade mines. As the mines are upgrading get an academy/ebay ( to stop DT/REAVER). When you get your 4th tank, you should have 7 vults awaiting at your second factory. You can now move out and hope they took their 3rd early. As you move out, expo / upgrade ion ( should be 25% done ). Continue making vultures. NOTE: You MUST wall-in to do this.
Now when I do the Shadow Rush It usually does one of 2 things :
1: It will catch the protoss taking a 3rd, and completely wipe out the dragoon force/ proceed to take on their nat with a tank/vult push. Then allow to get your 3rd/4th/5th factory while dominating their forces making them lose more than they should have. Now you can either A: do what I do and Re-Attack as soon as your contain breaks. Or B: Turtle up and force them to panic and tech very high.
2: Will be forced back by some 3 gate robo..or some unit power oriented build. Now with this they should be behind economically, so you’ll want to set up a decent contain away from their base ( See : Midas Rush ). And mine the map severely. Also try to get vults into his main to snipe down probes, punishing him for stoping your attack with mass units.
I find this build to be VERY deceptive / insanely powerful.
#3. 1 Factory CC- Tau Cross ; Ramp Maps
This is probably one of my top 5 most common openings in TvP. When I do this opening, I usually feel quite safe and feel as though it is a good opener to my super pressure style. This is how I do it.
When I make my 1 Fact CC, I will always make 4 marines ( to stop early goon harass/ provide good vs the shuttle/goon attack most commonly used by Tempest)Is(.) A tank/siege and a CC/ebay. not specifically in that Order.
As the CC is making, I will make a second factory and maybe even a third factory. With this, I Can keep tank production from my initial factory/ and vultures from my 2nd/3rd. Eventually I will most likely get academy and my 4th/5th factory at the same time ( tornado style ). My initial attack with a 1 Fact CC Is usually 7 tanks 7 vultures -> 5 vultures coming to aid @ the battle.
This build allows me to do many things :
1: With this build, I usually feel very safe, and I find it very hard to cheese. It is GREAT macro into a pressure style build, and can usually shift whichever way needed( turtle/pressure…pressure ftw!) This is a great build overall.
2: Make my Initial attack very strong and hard to stop, with consistent reinforcements / taking a 3rd safely is always a good thing.
3: Can make the protoss uncomfortable sometimes when they see my fast factories. And make them play 2 base power toss. When this happens, I generally tend to take a 3rd and turtle, with A LOT of vulture harass/mining of the map.
Great Build. Great Opening. Great overall.
#4. 2 Factory Vulture – Ramp Maps ; Tau Cross/ back-door nat maps.
This is probably one of my FAVORITE builds to do. For the flexibility involved in this rush is so amazing its almost unreal. When I 2factory vulture I will most likely make 4 marines to stop annoying dragoon harass. I will make a 16/19 fact. Double add-on’s ion then mine. 1 tank and then 4 vult -> move out. The flexibility in this rush is very good.
This rush tends to show great map control/harass. Also it is very strong vs DT rush and fast expoing toss’s. Also the 4 marine / 1 tank can support it if you so please. When you move out, continue to make vultures and expo. Mining of your choke is optional.
When you reach the protoss’s nat, if it is unguarded/unexpoed, mine it up severely and mine the map A LOT to search for proxies/reaver(shuttle flying overheard). Then retreat back to your base, placing the initial 4 vultures @ the Protoss’s 3rd. And 1 on patrol @ 4th/5th. When I use this rush I tend to get these things :
1: The protoss will not have expoed. See above paragraph.
2: The protoss will be awaiting me at his choke. I will engage him with my vultures and attempt vulture micro to explode his dragoons. UNLESS HE HAS TOO MANY I.E : 6. Then I will retreat..mine up a bit -> Bring the tank/rine force and guess what!? Start a pressure contain.
3: The protoss will be awaiting me at my choke. Using my vulture vision, I will bring my rines/tank and engage him in battle usually ultimately leading to utter destruction of 4 dragoons. Proceed to his choke and mine it up. TRY CATCHING THE EXPO’S TRANSFER !!! If you can, enter his base.
I find this rush the most flexible and pressure oriented out of most of my pressure rushes. Also it gives : Map View ; Forces the robo->obs ; Allows good amount of factories/units and Upgrades.
#5. 2 Factory Power Expo
Generally used by the legendary IloveOOv himself, I tend to find it SUPER SAFE versus any amount of 3gate dragoon -> robo. Or even reaver. The build order for this is. 9depot; 12rax/12gas ; 15depot ; 15 rine ; 16 fact / 19 fact…etc. You will get 3 tanks first ( both factories have add-on’s..remember to hide the second factory a little behind the first…make the first viewable) You will get 3 tanks and upgrade siege. Meanwhile @ 3 tanks you should build your CC/Ebay. And continue tank production. This is very gas heavy. So the 12/12 is needed.
When I Do this opening, many protoss’s ponder of how I got so many tanks so fast, and allows for a quick 4FACTORY! Tornado Style, while macroing @ home. Generally you should stop tank production @ 12 tanks. Then proceed to vultures immediately. Get 12/12 and move out while continuing to make vultures to reinforce. Note this opening can have 5 factories…however I don’t prefer it. This opening does these things :
1: Can turtle quite well, and go into a macro game, while being completely safe from any early pressure style.
2: If you play it like me, a super powered tornado, it can immediately manhandle any normal sized toss army ( with proper control ) assuming they took their 3rd and didn’t jump to units as fast as you.
3: Can do an offensive turtle push ( See Midas vs Draco WCG 2006 ).
I find this build very safe, especially versus stronger players. Also it is very deceptive and can give you a lead in the game. Since this build is used to combat a pressure protoss, they will generally fall behind to your mass amount of units since they cant harass.
#6. Tank Rush – Any map. Preferably no-ramp maps.
This rush, if performed correctly is RIDICILOUS. I have beaten protoss’ that were Korean and better than me with this. For this rush can also be deceptive and ridiciously strong.
Basically this rush starts out the same as the 2 Factory Power Expo, which allows this to have SOME flexibility. In this rush you will generally have 6 tanks and 8 marines when you move out. This is to be done with the 12rax/12gas build. This is a 2factory attack.
When this rush comes out, It is scary force! 6tanks!? 8 marines!?. I generally bring 4 scvs to heal tanks since 4 can heal a tank fast enough to fight 2 dragoons…and to repair to make my guys last longer. This rush does the following.
1: Can completely level a protoss and force the GG. Also this rush can become a 2 Factory Power expo if needed. Granted this rush is slow, and very mineral/gas heavy. It will lose to Dark Templar .. most of the time.
2: Can start a slow push starting near the choke of the protoss, into the choke of the protoss. This will cause Pressure(which I love !) and sometimes can make the protoss crack losing MUCH more than he needs to.
Basically 1 and 2 happen 99% of the time. Except there are the few occasions where due to some weird awkward build the rush can lose. But I find it very deceptive/strong and not something to mess with. It will dominate 2 gate range expo and even 1 gate range expo. And the ability to fake an FE…Priceless.
#7. 1 Factory Port Type 1: Tank edition – Any map?
The mobility of this is very very good. I however don’t tend to use this rush often… because I think it is outdated. But hey whats better than a rush completely unexpected! This rush can follow up with an 12rax/12gas or just 11rax/12gas. Depends if you want marines or not. I prefer marines for a soon-to-come pressure style.
This rush will basically open up with the mobility of dropship ! Hence you can take islands or…get EMP very fast for a quick tornado/emp attack. This rush will delay a protoss’s expo if he goes 2 gate range on a Cliffable-Nat map ( RLT / LT ). Or.. it will just kill many probes or something. This is what tends to happen when I do it :
1: I will drop the tanks off in the base and fly dropship elsewhere ( See Boxer Pimp Plays ). This will allow me to TARGET- Many Probes. Using shift…or manual control. The greatness of this rush is that it gives dropship mobility. Eco lead. And allows a safe FE! Good overall
2: Will be forced back by a goon force, forcing the dropship to wait for a transfer (mmm tasty) then proceeding to explode 12 probes -> pick up -> leave. Type ROFL WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE PROBES? ( just kidding ). Again. Mobility. Deception. And can go into a contain!!!! <3 Contains.
Generally outdated…however it still can be used here and there. Its good for a early contain/safe FE since it doesn’t really slow an FE TOO much. Then you can proceed to my FE version -> tornado.
#8. 1 Factory Port Type 2 : Vulture Edition – Ramp Maps Only?
This rush follows the basic general build of Type 1 edition. However instead of making a tank you proceed very fast to 4 vultures. Get 4+ marines for this to hold ramp. When you get your vultures mine up the ramp a little ( 4 mines ), pick up and gogo to the toss’s main. Unleash severe vulture micro. This is what tends to happen when I do it.
1: Generally the protoss will NOT have any dragoon’s awaiting your aerial raid @ his/her main. So the 4 vultures having ion/mines can wreck havoc( especially with no robo!). With this rush it tends to force a all-transfer to his natural ( if he has one ) and delay mining severely/ kill units. Also what is so great about this rush is that it provides map view / mobility. And an expo! Granted this rush can’t lead to any form of contain ( unless you think like me in thinking a line of 80 billion mines is a contain awaiting your 2 tanks to arrive to start a pressure push!).
2: If the protoss does have dragoon’s awaiting, you can attempt a drop/probe bomb or run away and go for your FE, while mining the map severely. With this dropship, he will have to fear later harass from tanks or vults. And even fast Vessle. So again…brain pressure!?
Generally this rush can make or break you. It can kill a protoss or It can kill you. This I recommend only for extreme vulture micro users as such myself. This rush is also great for mobility/deception. And gets the protoss thinking.
#9. 1 Factory Port Type 3 : Tank/Vult edition- Ramp Map only.
Basically im not going into epic detail on this rush, basically just combine Type 1 and Type 2 excluding ion thrusters. Bring 2 vultures and 1 Tank for your drop and wreck havoc on his probes/dragoons. Again the “situations” are a combined of Type 1 and 2.
#10. 14 CC – Island Map only : Land map…see below. ACTUALLY – PEAKS! -> See Artosis @ NE Lan vs Gas steal. Great Build.
LOL! DO THIS VS A GOOD TOSS AND THEY WILL LAUGH AT YOU. SUCCEED AND YOU WIN. On a land map you will generally lose…if you succeed, follow through on my FE build except with 7 factories!
Island Map : 14cc – 1 Fact Port / Turtle basically…you will fight robo either way…no real reason to get into it.
#11. Bio/2port Wraith – Ramp Map Only / Peaks of Baekdu
These builds I do not recommend, and I generally only use as a joke or a cheese.
Basically 8 rine 2 medic MM attack or 2 port wraith with scan. If either rush connects you win. If not you lose. Not much more too it. See my TvZ Guide.
So there you have it. My TvP Openings/rushes. They are all generally to get a lead or a pressure style going. However granted I don’t talk much about my pressure. I can’t really describe it since I adapted it over time. Basically I play a medium/low scv count with severe harass and very very fast pressure. Constintly trying to find gaps in your play and exploit it massivly. I harass 24/7 and I will turtle if just to make you lose. Generally pressure styles allows a terran to come back in the game if needed since we have VULTURES! And Mine Bombs. My play is really really about vulture harass and really really strong pushes. I constantly mine the map and make it impossible to cheese me. Reversing the pressure is generally the only way I’ve been notice my style loses., however I do perform very well under pressure. Remember…NEVER LET THE PRESSURE UP CONSTANTLY GIVE IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT MIGHT HURT. Since I play medium scv style/ mix of nada/perfective I can easily turtle or pressure…I prefer to Tessure?  aka Contain. I will edit this soon to add anything I may have forgot. Goodluck Pressure terrans!
My style is very very unique and I give MUCH credit to By.fantasy/[ReD]NaDa; and the great PERFECTIVE. For I feel I combine all of their styles into one I call Shadow Terran. I will be writing a TvT/TvZ guide coming soon. I hope you all enjoy this guide ! Much love to Teamliquid.net and the whole community!
~ LaStShadOw
EDIT: Replays to/for each rush
MidasRush: http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32242
ShadowRush: http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32244
TankRush: http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32248
2Fact Power Expo: http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32247
2Factory Vulture: http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32249
1Factory CC: http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32246
Bio: Coming soon
14cc: Coming soon
2Port Wraith: Coming soon
NaDa rush: Coming soon
All Fact Ports : Coming soon.
Note : There is another Shadow Rush. It is me vs Zpux Game 4/5 on WGT.
Enjoy tl ^^!
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reading now
my knowledge of sc sux ass but
isnt midas rush = FD?
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whooo!
YOU CALLED DOWN THE THUNDER?
THanks for a good guide. DaZe's helped, and I can already feel yours helping more.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
wow this is amazing... thanks!
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On May 22 2007 20:01 Pressure wrote:
reading now
my knowledge of sc sux ass but
isnt midas rush = FD?
+ Show Spoiler +
So tired 
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On May :15 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On May :01 Pressure wrote:
reading now
my knowledge of sc sux ass but
isnt midas rush = FD? You will like it. I think it was intended as a love letter for you
...... What.
=_=
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<3 perfective, so sexy tvp
maybe you could post some reps
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1: With this build, I usually feel very safe, and I find it very hard to cheese. It is GREAT macro into a pressure style build, and can usually shift whichever way needed( turtle/pressure…pressure ftw!)
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Too bad you can't equinox somebody =_=
edit: Awesome guide, BTW, although I don't play Terran :O
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You can surely Metal someone...I will show you my Metal build! =]
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
midas rush isnt FD, but rather a timing rush with however many tanks/vults he uses :O
midgame attaxx
edit: oh wait I guess i'm way off. oh well, that's what I associate midas' tvp with anyways
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Very great guide for every T user, that's great
Good job sir.
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yea the 2nd rush is pretty cool i've seen it in one of the barbara reps where terran walled in on longinus and got siege to make it appear like 1fac CC when suddenly busts out with tank/vults from 2nd fac while toss is dual nexusing to combat the perceived 1fac cc :0
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perfect =D
Too bad there arent any macro/micro guidelines to go along with the awesome guides
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nice but i think i can understand this so much better if u post replays XD
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On May 22 2007 22:24 imBLIND wrote:
perfect =D
Too bad there arent any macro/micro guidelines to go along with the awesome guides
I got you on that one:
Macro: Make many units.
Micro: Don't lose many units.
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i can see 4 insanely deceptively powerfully overused words
( + pressure)
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didnt read the whole thing but..
"9depot; 12rax/12gas"
12 rax? what about zealots? one zealot will dellay you so much...
2gates --> zea rush will kill you with ease..
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On May 22 2007 23:07 mcmascote wrote:
didnt read the whole thing but..
"9depot; 12rax/12gas"
12 rax? what about zealots? one zealot will dellay you so much...
2gates --> zea rush will kill you with ease..
Zealots rush won't kill you if you know how to "wall-in" . 12 (or 11)rax/gas at the same time will get you to build factory slightly faster than 10 rax, 11 gas.
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Well written.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
anyone saying "reps" go to wgt search his name and dl the tvp reps o_O
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On May 22 2007 23:10 LibertyTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2007 23:07 mcmascote wrote:
didnt read the whole thing but..
"9depot; 12rax/12gas"
12 rax? what about zealots? one zealot will dellay you so much...
2gates --> zea rush will kill you with ease..
Zealots rush won't kill you if you know how to "wall-in" . 12 (or 11)rax/gas at the same time will get you to build factory slightly faster than 10 rax, 11 gas.
he doesnt mention that, anyway he uses maps like tau cross, dunno if you can wall-in there, but never saw nobody doing it, and he even says "any map" in one of his bos... theres no way he would be able to wall in at luna, for example, before the first zea came in.
i'm just wondering whats his counter to toss players that make 1-2 zeas just to dellay terran and then flood goons..
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fonger's TvX Pwnage Guide:
send your insane shit to his rofltooeasy base and PWN SOME ASS. This is a blend of Fakesteve/Manifesto7 and a little bit of Boxer style, and is completely different from anything I've encountered. I believe I invented it.
As such I dub it "anal rape." Or "tanal rape" as I can also turtle at the same time as attacking with my entire army.
I believe I absolutely rape all the best foreigners, and would prove it if I had the chance to play them, except Nony, who played like a fag with 50 bases and killed me. Twice.
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On May 23 2007 00:59 mcmascote wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2007 23:10 LibertyTerran wrote:On May 22 2007 23:07 mcmascote wrote:
didnt read the whole thing but..
"9depot; 12rax/12gas"
12 rax? what about zealots? one zealot will dellay you so much...
2gates --> zea rush will kill you with ease..
Zealots rush won't kill you if you know how to "wall-in" . 12 (or 11)rax/gas at the same time will get you to build factory slightly faster than 10 rax, 11 gas. he doesnt mention that, anyway he uses maps like tau cross, dunno if you can wall-in there, but never saw nobody doing it, and he even says "any map" in one of his bos... theres no way he would be able to wall in at luna, for example, before the first zea came in. i'm just wondering whats his counter to toss players that make 1-2 zeas just to dellay terran and then flood goons..
I don't understand what your question is. This is pretty standard. Marine will get out in time. Some scvs + the marine will beat the zealot. Then it plays like a regular defense vs zealots. Have you never seen this? Maybe some people do the more recent gas and rax both at 11 at same time thing. Either way your rax finishes with plenty of time unless he is proxy 9 gating you or something.
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Not bad...
However, as I open 90% of time fast dt into expansion, it eliminates most of the threats, except 2fact vult or a really, really fast vulture drop.
But in those it all comes down to micro, so it can be beaten.
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On May 22 2007 19:52 XyO wrote:
This is very gas heavy. So the 12/12 is needed.
I dont understand this. How does the gas heavy build means u have to go late rax/gas. It would make more sense if it is a mineral heavy build and 12/12 ensures your SCVs mine a bit longer before starting to build rax/geyser.
someone enlighten me.
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Hi TL,
LastShadow is my friend and I have seen his style crush many Protoss since I have known him. I am sure his guide will help many Terran players. I have read some of the gudie and chose to edit it for him as a gift. Since I support him and TL I thought that attempting to shorten the guide and clean it up a bit, would benifit everyone.
I have PMed him asking if his doesn't mind and if he wants me to continue editing. I have a sample of what I have done below. I have suggested to him that he add some Screen Shots to go along with the replay request that you have made. Please help make this guide even better as a team and provide feedback on the sample I have provided.
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LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDE
Author: LaStShadOw
Posted: May 22 2007 19:52
To: Teamliquid.net/Other
Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide
I-Emerge for revising this guide
Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons.
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TERRAN vs. PROTOSS
I think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema.
Midas Rush - Any Map
This is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable.
Early Game Theme
7 Upgraded Marines 1 Tank
1 Expansion
Move out and micro to no end.
Chosen Build
9 Depot
11 Barracks
12 Gas
NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Sout or Zealot rush.
My Midas Rush offers me three things
1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado.
2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it.
NOTE: Midas > Robo
3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive.
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On May 23 2007 00:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
anyone saying "reps" go to wgt search his name and dl the tvp reps o_O
I tried searching shadow and its all C6. also xyo turned nothing. :s
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Thanks for the guide!
The only thing that I did not like is how you try to convince us you are so good by repeating over and over how you beat top foreigners, koreans alot better than you, and so on. I can live without that.
I am sure you are a good player, but I can tell by reading your guide if you are good or not. It is not like I wouldn't have read it if you haven't mentioned how you beat top players in your first sentence.
Thanks again.
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On May 23 2007 03:10 abandonallhope wrote:
Thanks for the guide!
The only thing that I did not like is how you try to convince us you are so good by repeating over and over how you beat top foreigners, koreans alot better than you, and so on, I can live without that.
I am sure you are a good player but I can tell by reading your guide if you are good or not, it is not like I wouldn't have read it if you haven't mentioned how you beat top players in your first sentence.
Thanks again.
I agree with you. Although, I know that until recently, Lastshadow's name was not even known let alone having any creditablity to have a guide be relevent to anyone. I feel he is saving others the time of investingating him and his skills by just letting us know what he can do. Since his style is unique, we need to know that it is strong and viable. Also, when writing certain types of papers, it is recommended to project a strong point of view. When a guide is writen from your perspective with your unique style in mind, having a strong view of the material, helps to sell the concepts therein.
---I-Emerge
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On May 23 2007 03:06 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 00:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
anyone saying "reps" go to wgt search his name and dl the tvp reps o_O I tried searching shadow and its all C6. also xyo turned nothing. :s
I will ive you a link to his profile
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On May 23 2007 03:24 I-Emerge wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 03:06 niteReloaded wrote:On May 23 2007 00:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
anyone saying "reps" go to wgt search his name and dl the tvp reps o_O I tried searching shadow and its all C6. also xyo turned nothing. :s Try 07
nothing, all c6. cant u just give a link to his WGT account?
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On May 23 2007 03:40 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 03:24 I-Emerge wrote:On May 23 2007 03:06 niteReloaded wrote:On May 23 2007 00:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
anyone saying "reps" go to wgt search his name and dl the tvp reps o_O I tried searching shadow and its all C6. also xyo turned nothing. :s Try 07 nothing, all c6. cant u just give a link to his WGT account?
Hm
His accout seems to be gone. I don't know what happened to it. Perhaps he has changed his name...
---I-Emerge
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lets throw in other strats about our names while were at it.
PvP, the denotation drop.
Proceed with a 1 gate 2 zealot build, into 1/2 goons backup.(this is only done on ramped maps)
make 2 robotics and get 3 shuttles and 6 reavers. as soon as shuttle speed is done, go blow up there nexus. congrats you are really cool.(beat sn3t with this build omg rofl)
have fun and remember to not pressure at all.
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very nice. thx
those are probably my favourite builds soon too
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i wont read a guide unless it's written by a pro or a very good/well known player.
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very nice job, has helped alot :D
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On May 23 2007 01:45 fonger wrote:
fonger's TvX Pwnage Guide:
send your insane shit to his rofltooeasy base and PWN SOME ASS. This is a blend of Fakesteve/Manifesto7 and a little bit of Boxer style, and is completely different from anything I've encountered. I believe I invented it.
As such I dub it "anal rape." Or "tanal rape" as I can also turtle at the same time as attacking with my entire army.
I believe I absolutely rape all the best foreigners, and would prove it if I had the chance to play them, except Nony, who played like a fag with 50 bases and killed me. Twice.
ROFL
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PvP/PvZ - The Purin build
Build a bajillion cannons and just turtle until your opponent falls asleep. Kill him before he wakes up (might be hard to kill someone when all you have are cannons and templar, but that's the challenge of this buid)
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CruiseR
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14 cc with a wall and a bunker in wall works very well even on landmap and vs 2 gate goons/fast dt/fast reaver.
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nice guide, id like the reps allot, when i try to dl reps from wgt all i get is a page full of jiberish, i wanted to check out how supermachine plays
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dropthesky build. this is very gas heavy so 11 rax/gas is needed wallin and tech to 3 ports, build all dships once you get 10 dships go to his base, type "gg doom drop f00l", he'll be scared and leave even though the drops are empty.
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gotta read this when i get home ;D
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ok, the jokes stopped being funny after fongers..
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On May 23 2007 08:45 BeSiGeR wrote:
nice guide, id like the reps allot, when i try to dl reps from wgt all i get is a page full of jiberish, i wanted to check out how supermachine plays
BeSiGeR have you tried right-click -> save as, instead of just clicking on the rep thing?
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yeah, it wont work, it saves as some sort of image file or sth, proly firefox isues
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mine...wasnt a joke...
I...Am...CARlODGiN!..1..1..1..
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Btw anyone arguing that the 12gas/12 rax sucks obviously knows very little about TvP.
If you 12 gas 12 rax the factory will come faster than 10 barracking and 11 gasing (Or 11 barrack, 12 gas) Early zealots should be no problem unless he 2 gates, in which case you have earlier vultures.
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Hihi everyone. Thank you for the compliments on the thread, i will be editing it later and include replays to each build.
However i don't like the flame going on in this thread on my 12/12 rax features. I will update the thread later when i get home and explain some micro/macro theories.
Also i will be working on a TvT/TvZ pressure guide later...
ALSO : Feel free to ask me ANY questions and i will answer them as soon as possible. PM me if you'd like or msg me on europe under lastshadow / ipxshadow.
Note : My WGT account is now IPXShadOw... however when wgt starts back up it will go back to lastshadow.
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hmm...will take a look at this later on and see how useful it is.
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On May 23 2007 10:16 lastshadow wrote:
I think my Terran Versus Protoss is my best and most insane matchup. I really do not fear many protoss’ when go into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they aren’t some progamer. For I think my TvP can contend with the top foreigners ( IMO )
from what i saw in your games u stand 0 chance vs any better foreigner pvt
a)your macro is bad midgame,you said that you play low/mid eco but u play very good eco so your minerals raising so fast and you cant spend them + u have supply errors
b)u have 200 apm but your mulittasking is bad
c)your micro isnt that good,you have only good micro vulture vs small amout of goons,any player who know how to use 1~2 shuttles will rape your mid game pressing
d)most of your tvp are on longinus where terran is strong mid game,so if toss cant do any early dmg or outmacro you hard there is low options for late game pvt
no offense bro but your tvt and tvz are just lol
i am not expert btw
+ this guy isnt skew 100%
skew have
20 x better tvz
10 x better tvt
and 5 x better tvp
skew rarely have supply errors,he always have 2~3 scv ready to supply until late game 150++
skew have better timing for coming out with 4 factories,
skew have far better tenk/vult micro in small and big groups
skew have same apm like you but far better mutlitasking
hf~
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Did i not say i have a few bad games?... you picked out the worst macro TvT / and maybe the worst macro TvP -.-
EDIT: I made a mistake versus artosis in the game play, focusing too mcuh on the contain hence it hit my macro. vs ZPuX - you pick out 1 out of our 5 games and flame that one?
Also me/skew have a very different style of play.
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lol so fast reply,are u sitting all day on this thread
can u post some non wgt replays,i prefer some saved with bwlpp 
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On May 23 2007 12:05 GongKyuckTerran wrote:lol so fast reply,are u sitting all day on this thread can u post some non wgt replays,i prefer some saved with bwlpp
Im online and have the following sites on my start bar : Gosugamers.net ; Teamliquid.net ; Youtube ; Wgtour.com ; Broodwar ; AIM. ok?
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like.
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Lastshadow is a killer terran, god I played him like three times, never been to stressed out of a game before. He's only like 14, we the same age.
But for the Midas rush, is it a one fact push? And whats FD?
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And is low eco playing with not so many scvs?
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On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like.
ok post few tvp vs korean toss
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stupid comp,double post
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On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss
Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad?
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Your macro midgame is pretty bad and you do not micro your vultures very well, BUT, I like your style. It is fun to watch even if you lose, keep it up!
On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:
Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad?
I do not think thats what he tries to say, but you said you have beaten korean protoss-players better than you so why don't you upload a few of those games and impress us?
Your WGT-games are not very impressive but you beat quite a few good players, well done!
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I want to see a TvT OP vs DaZe :O
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On May 23 2007 12:26 Equinox_kr wrote:
I want to see a TvT OP vs DaZe :O
Yeah that would be intresting!
Is DaZe active by the way?
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I have some vs MyTh[Shield] and XiOOv.s2 also.
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Also yes i know my macro is my problem. It is hard when i am trying to apply alot of pressure. Don't worry im severly working on it as we speak. Im trying to force myself to remember to macro. recently it has become better, even if it is by a little.
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whos XyO?
and, are u sure that u were being tested to join [Shield]? they don't test people by watching replays. they actually play games against those who want to join the guild.
also who the hell are those players u played? -_-
i would like to see ur games against myth[shield], if hes any good that is. from what i see on ygclan.com, there isn't any of myth[shield]'s replays. hes probably some casual gamer?
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On May 23 2007 12:57 CapO wrote:
whos XyO?
and, are u sure that u were being tested to join [Shield]? they don't test people by watching replays. they actually play games against those who want to join the guild.
also who the hell are those players u played? -_-
i would like to see ur games against myth[shield], if hes any good that is. from what i see on ygclan.com, there isn't any of myth[shield]'s replays. hes probably some casual gamer?
XyO is me...but i made this name on sunday since i couldnt post.
Also, [TS]Terry was known on Game-i. and on west awhile back. He is/was a very strong protoss user. Also yes those games were for JiN[ShielD] since our time frames didnt allow us to play 1:1 i was told to play gosu koreans and save the replays to a package and show him a few others.
lastling is in [shield]
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got any replays with this?
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On May 23 2007 13:06 Raithed wrote:
got any replays with this?
I Posted them -_-;;.
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got any replays with this?
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On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad?
No, he just the typical person who tries to bring you down for no other reason than to be annoying. Get used to it, it's the internet. Also, if you're not korean and say you're trying out for a korean team, people will automatically assume you're bad. If you haven't played a specific korean they've heard of in that clan, they'll assume you're bad again. What they don't know is that 50% of those "gosu" korean teams like 3.33 are around a C level on PGT. They don't seem to understand that being able to speak Korean is 50% of the tryout for the teams. Why do those teams have 200 members? Because 50% of them are casual teamgamers who kind of suck in the 1:1 sphere. Capo is the perfect example of this. He wants replays vs Myth[Shield] just because he has the Shield tag, even admitting he has no clue if Myth is any good or not. But that clan tag somehow mystifies him into some Korean starcraft god.
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haha ganfei yeah i understand. Its ok.
Anyway : The whole Main post has just been Updated with many replays to go along with the rushes. I will continue to add them when i get them.
If you want to see anything out of the box strategies that i have you can PM me.
Enjoy Teamliquid ^^
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United States10774 Posts
On May 23 2007 12:01 lastshadow wrote:
Did i not say i have a few bad games?... you picked out the worst macro TvT / and maybe the worst macro TvP -.-
EDIT: I made a mistake versus artosis in the game play, focusing too mcuh on the contain hence it hit my macro. vs ZPuX - you pick out 1 out of our 5 games and flame that one?
Also me/skew have a very different style of play.
Seriously, I appreciate your effort to help out teamliquid but talk less about your god damn self. Please.
We dont need all these-
i can contend with top foreigner protosses
i had a bad game
why do you have to pick out a bad game.
Finally, you are a good player but you are not quite at the level of top foreigners yet. Especially your matchups other than TVP. Getting there though!
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On May 23 2007 13:31 Ganfei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad? No, he just the typical person who tries to bring you down for no other reason than to be annoying. Get used to it, it's the internet. Also, if you're not korean and say you're trying out for a korean team, people will automatically assume you're bad. If you haven't played a specific korean they've heard of in that clan, they'll assume you're bad again. What they don't know is that 50% of those "gosu" korean teams like 3.33 are around a C level on PGT. They don't seem to understand that being able to speak Korean is 50% of the tryout for the teams. Why do those teams have 200 members? Because 50% of them are casual teamgamers who kind of suck in the 1:1 sphere. Capo is the perfect example of this. He wants replays vs Myth[Shield] just because he has the Shield tag, even admitting he has no clue if Myth is any good or not. But that clan tag somehow mystifies him into some Korean starcraft god.
are you saying 50% of koreans within 3.33 are around a C level on PGT?
just wondering...where'd you get your info? have you played koreans within 3.33?
i'm just curious as to see where you got the information.
edit: just for the record, the koreans i've played with in 3.33 are def. not around C level, some are really good. but i haven't been in 3.33 for a long time, so who knows.
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iNcontroL
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you are young so I wont flame you but listen up dude:
Zpux is a fine player, but beating him or TT1 on longinus does not constitute "top non korean tvp" it means you have potential. But running your mouth on TL.net, posting reps everywhere and generally tooting your own horn non stop is a quick way to become the next nigol, or other no name terran with some actual skill that is completely tarnished by their horrible attitude.
Who the FUCK are these palyers you are name dropping. Terry? myth[shield] ? What the fuck. Who cares? They are nobodies. Get some modesty and let others brag for you. This is kind of pathetic.
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On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad?
yeah actually, i must say there is quite a bit difference in skill level between top foreigners and progamer koreans. foreigners aren't bad, they just spend less time gaming than koreans do.
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On May 23 2007 14:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
you are young so I wont flame you but listen up dude:
Zpux is a fine player, but beating him or TT1 on longinus does not constitute "top non korean tvp" it means you have potential. But running your mouth on TL.net, posting reps everywhere and generally tooting your own horn non stop is a quick way to become the next nigol, or other no name terran with some actual skill that is completely tarnished by their horrible attitude.
Who the FUCK are these palyers you are name dropping. Terry? myth[shield] ? What the fuck. Who cares? They are nobodies. Get some modesty and let others brag for you. This is kind of pathetic.
i really respect this post incontrol. i honestly do.
However im not trying to brag my skill. im just showing it to go along with the guide that people asked for. Im sorry if i come off as a normal 14 yr punk ass mother fucker. I'm really gm and i tend to be super gm to top foreigners/koreans.
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On May 23 2007 13:31 Ganfei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad? No, he just the typical person who tries to bring you down for no other reason than to be annoying. Get used to it, it's the internet. Also, if you're not korean and say you're trying out for a korean team, people will automatically assume you're bad. If you haven't played a specific korean they've heard of in that clan, they'll assume you're bad again. What they don't know is that 50% of those "gosu" korean teams like 3.33 are around a C level on PGT. They don't seem to understand that being able to speak Korean is 50% of the tryout for the teams. Why do those teams have 200 members? Because 50% of them are casual teamgamers who kind of suck in the 1:1 sphere. Capo is the perfect example of this. He wants replays vs Myth[Shield] just because he has the Shield tag, even admitting he has no clue if Myth is any good or not. But that clan tag somehow mystifies him into some Korean starcraft god.
lol ganfei? read my post again, cause u completely misundestood my post.
i said hes probably some casual gamer, meaning not every member from well known korean guilds such [shield], sea, [gm] and etc. are starcraft gods.
and i knew myth wasn't particalarly any good, because like i said in the previous post, none of his replays was found on ygclan.com. btw, hes not some new face, so don't quote me and tell me hes probably new unknown gosu.
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how about to people other than the top foreigners/koreans?
pressurepressurepressurepressurepressrue
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United States10774 Posts
On May 23 2007 14:40 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 14:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
you are young so I wont flame you but listen up dude:
Zpux is a fine player, but beating him or TT1 on longinus does not constitute "top non korean tvp" it means you have potential. But running your mouth on TL.net, posting reps everywhere and generally tooting your own horn non stop is a quick way to become the next nigol, or other no name terran with some actual skill that is completely tarnished by their horrible attitude.
Who the FUCK are these palyers you are name dropping. Terry? myth[shield] ? What the fuck. Who cares? They are nobodies. Get some modesty and let others brag for you. This is kind of pathetic. i really respect this post incontrol. i honestly do. However im not trying to brag my skill. im just showing it to go along with the guide that people asked for. Im sorry if i come off as a normal 14 yr punk ass mother fucker. I'm really gm and i tend to be super gm to top foreigners/koreans.
No, your bragging does not go along with the guide whatsoever. We dont care who you can beat, because we can tell how good you are through your reps. You don't have to remind how amazing your are every other post.
Haha alright I guess you are super gm to TOP FOREIGNERS/KOREANS! what about the rest? :D
On May 23 2007 12:01 lastshadow wrote:
Did i not say i have a few bad games?... you picked out the worst macro TvT / and maybe the worst macro TvP -.-
EDIT: I made a mistake versus artosis in the game play, focusing too mcuh on the contain hence it hit my macro. vs ZPuX - you pick out 1 out of our 5 games and flame that one?
Also me/skew have a very different style of play.
Also, don't expect every post to be a compliment. He was just criticizing, not flaming.
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Ok Ok we are completely moving off topic. I want to stay on track and keep the flaming/trash talking out.
Does anyone have any questions on the strategies or replays? If not, i hoped i helped some terrans at least. This will be my last post in this topic, you can PM me if you want me. Bye.
Happy TT1?
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On May 23 2007 15:23 lastshadow wrote:
Ok Ok we are completely moving off topic. I want to stay on track and keep the flaming/trash talking out.
Does anyone have any questions on the strategies or replays? If not, i hoped i helped some terrans at least. This will be my last post in this topic, you can PM me if you want me. Bye.
Happy TT1?
do you have replays of you winning against toss in longinus?
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didnt realise it was the beginning of the season
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Sorry to burst your bubble Shadow, but your style isn't unique at all. And to be honest I don't know what the fuck gave you the idea it was. If you'd been playing the game for a long time you'd know that for sure. Decent guide though as far as the builds go...but as others mentioned before the way you write it, and the way you talk so highly of yourself makes me hate it.
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On May 23 2007 14:30 sOnagi[3.33] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 13:31 Ganfei wrote:On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad? No, he just the typical person who tries to bring you down for no other reason than to be annoying. Get used to it, it's the internet. Also, if you're not korean and say you're trying out for a korean team, people will automatically assume you're bad. If you haven't played a specific korean they've heard of in that clan, they'll assume you're bad again. What they don't know is that 50% of those "gosu" korean teams like 3.33 are around a C level on PGT. They don't seem to understand that being able to speak Korean is 50% of the tryout for the teams. Why do those teams have 200 members? Because 50% of them are casual teamgamers who kind of suck in the 1:1 sphere. Capo is the perfect example of this. He wants replays vs Myth[Shield] just because he has the Shield tag, even admitting he has no clue if Myth is any good or not. But that clan tag somehow mystifies him into some Korean starcraft god. are you saying 50% of koreans within 3.33 are around a C level on PGT? just wondering...where'd you get your info? have you played koreans within 3.33? i'm just curious as to see where you got the information. edit: just for the record, the koreans i've played with in 3.33 are def. not around C level, some are really good. but i haven't been in 3.33 for a long time, so who knows.
So let's see, you agree with me? Yes I've played plenty of "Koreans in 3.33." And have you played every single Korean in 3.33? Have you even played with 25% of the total membership? Because there are a LOT of people in 3.33. So the Koreans you've played with are good. Did I say there aren't good Koreans in 3.33? Ofc not, because there are plenty of good ones. I said 50% of the massive number of players in 3.33 are not very good at all.
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I think it's absolutely pathetic for someone to post a big huge guide to try to help out the community and a bunch of clowns come into the thread and start calling him all sorts of fucking names and trying to pick fights with him simply because he said he was trying out for a Korean clan, or whatever other moronic reason the person appears to have. What the fuck? Don't fucking post if your post serves no purpose other than to instigate a pointless fight so that you can look "investigative" or whatever stupid justification your dumbass can come up with.
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JESUS FUCKING CHIRST. I MAKE THE GUIDE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED TO HAVE IT. SO I DID IT FOR THE COMMUNITY/ THE PEOPLE WHO MASS MSGED ME. I STATE MY RECORDS FROM WGT SO I DONT COME OFF AS SOME D+ TERRAN WHO CAN MIMIC BUILDS. AND HERE WE HAVE FUCKING BITCHES COMPLAINING THAT I SEEM TO SAY IM THE BEST FOREIGN TERRAN EVER. I DID NOT SAY THAT.
JUST BECAUSE I FUCKING SAID I WAS TESTING FOR SHIELD MAKES ME TALK AS THOUGH IM THE NEXT ELKY? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I WILL DELETE THE GUIDE THEN IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT. I LOVE HOW THE FIRST 3 PAGES EVEYRONE LOVES IT. THEN FAGS COME IN BARGING GOING " WHO ARE YOU...YOUR BM" WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HOLY FUCKING SHIT. I NEVER BM'D ANYONE THAT I BEAT. I EVEN SAID TT1 GAME WAS HARD. *SIGH* Please dont post flame comments. seriously i didnt come here for a flame war. or to get recognized. I will ATTEMPT to get recognized in WGT New Season. I am sorry for any BM that might have come out of this.
~ LaStShadOw
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Guide sucks ass. And as a guy who's written a lot of suckass guides, I know what guides suck ass.
Not that your strats are bad. Don't really care about that. But the way you wrote the guide is awful. Don't use lots of technical terms and abbreviations. And if you abbreviate show the abbreviation in these () before you use it. I can just see you reveling in the techinicality of your guide, thinking how advanced and skilled you sound. Don't do that. It just makes it tougher to read, and it doesn't impress ANYONE.
Formatting sucks balls also. Use bold italics underline whatever.
About what you're saying, it's alright. Gosu that you're 14.
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lastshadow cannot take the pressure
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On May 23 2007 17:44 weaksauce wrote:
lastshadow cannot take the pressure
its not pressure. its pure annoyance of retarded posters that arent even known.i respect TT1/Inc's posts because i respect them as gamers/people. But idiots who come out of no-where flaming me because they have more posts than me/because im unknown ( where has a ladder been/tourney for me to get known?) Im pretty sure savior's diary states he was unknown then rose to stardom even getting flamed. Not saying that is going to happen with me. But so far theres been 3 gosu posters ; 33% nice people commenting the guide ; 66% bm assholes who think because lastshadow is unknown, he is a horrible horrible player and cant make a guide.
Apparently we will all see when WGT comes around or the GG.Net Tourney for "up and coming" players.
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On May 23 2007 10:01 meRz wrote:
Btw anyone arguing that the 12gas/12 rax sucks obviously knows very little about TvP.
If you 12 gas 12 rax the factory will come faster than 10 barracking and 11 gasing (Or 11 barrack, 12 gas) Early zealots should be no problem unless he 2 gates, in which case you have earlier vultures.
its a terminology thing, some people get 12 rax/gas and 11 rax gas mixed up i think, because you build the rax/gas at 11 supply, you start the 12 immediately after the gas is built. When doing this, the scv used for the rax can build a fac immediately when done.
EDIT: since you can't build a fac before rax is done, this is clearly the fastest way to get factory tech.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
lol lastshadow
there's a lot of dicks in this topic, but to be perfectly honest with you, your first post comes off as a little antagonistic and arrogant
the bw community does not look kindly upon people who brag, and though you didn't really act like that, you perhaps did go *slightly* overboard
lots of people still appreciate you taking the time to write something like this. just be careful about how you say things in the future =)
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On May :44 weaksauce wrote:
lastshadow cannot take the pressure
i no right
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On May 23 2007 17:54 GrandInquisitor wrote:
lol lastshadow
there's a lot of dicks in this topic, but to be perfectly honest with you, your first post comes off as a little antagonistic and arrogant
the bw community does not look kindly upon people who brag, and though you didn't really act like that, you perhaps did go *slightly* overboard
lots of people still appreciate you taking the time to write something like this. just be careful about how you say things in the future =)
Thank you GrandInquistor, i'll remember to try to not come off so bm or cocky.
^-- Why couldn't you all just say it like him?
So any more reviews on guide? Does anyone want changes or builds updated?
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On May 23 2007 17:50 lastshadow wrote:its not pressure. its pure annoyance of retarded posters that arent even known.i respect TT1/Inc's posts because i respect them as gamers/people. But idiots who come out of no-where flaming me because they have more posts than me/because im unknown ( where has a ladder been/tourney for me to get known?) Im pretty sure savior's diary states he was unknown then rose to stardom even getting flamed. Not saying that is going to happen with me. But so far theres been 3 gosu posters ; 33% nice people commenting the guide ; 66% bm assholes who think because lastshadow is unknown, he is a horrible horrible player and cant make a guide. Apparently we will all see when WGT comes around or the GG.Net Tourney for "up and coming" players.
No one is saying you're a horrible player who can't make a guide. Just that you come across as a 14 yr. old punk ass mother fucker, to use your words
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On May 23 2007 18:03 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 17:50 lastshadow wrote:On May 23 2007 17:44 weaksauce wrote:
lastshadow cannot take the pressure its not pressure. its pure annoyance of retarded posters that arent even known.i respect TT1/Inc's posts because i respect them as gamers/people. But idiots who come out of no-where flaming me because they have more posts than me/because im unknown ( where has a ladder been/tourney for me to get known?) Im pretty sure savior's diary states he was unknown then rose to stardom even getting flamed. Not saying that is going to happen with me. But so far theres been 3 gosu posters ; 33% nice people commenting the guide ; 66% bm assholes who think because lastshadow is unknown, he is a horrible horrible player and cant make a guide. Apparently we will all see when WGT comes around or the GG.Net Tourney for "up and coming" players. No one is saying you're a horrible player who can't make a guide. Just that you come across as a 14 yr. old punk ass mother fucker, to use your words
Im very very sorry >_<;; i've already said that. I didn't mean to come off like that. i AGAIN apologize. i just am very wordy and like to extend my vocabulary
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On May 23 2007 17:08 Ganfei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 14:30 sOnagi[3.33] wrote:On May 23 2007 13:31 Ganfei wrote:On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad? No, he just the typical person who tries to bring you down for no other reason than to be annoying. Get used to it, it's the internet. Also, if you're not korean and say you're trying out for a korean team, people will automatically assume you're bad. If you haven't played a specific korean they've heard of in that clan, they'll assume you're bad again. What they don't know is that 50% of those "gosu" korean teams like 3.33 are around a C level on PGT. They don't seem to understand that being able to speak Korean is 50% of the tryout for the teams. Why do those teams have 200 members? Because 50% of them are casual teamgamers who kind of suck in the 1:1 sphere. Capo is the perfect example of this. He wants replays vs Myth[Shield] just because he has the Shield tag, even admitting he has no clue if Myth is any good or not. But that clan tag somehow mystifies him into some Korean starcraft god. are you saying 50% of koreans within 3.33 are around a C level on PGT? just wondering...where'd you get your info? have you played koreans within 3.33? i'm just curious as to see where you got the information. edit: just for the record, the koreans i've played with in 3.33 are def. not around C level, some are really good. but i haven't been in 3.33 for a long time, so who knows. So let's see, you agree with me? Yes I've played plenty of "Koreans in 3.33." And have you played every single Korean in 3.33? Have you even played with 25% of the total membership? Because there are a LOT of people in 3.33. So the Koreans you've played with are good. Did I say there aren't good Koreans in 3.33? Ofc not, because there are plenty of good ones. I said 50% of the massive number of players in 3.33 are not very good at all. -------------------- I think it's absolutely pathetic for someone to post a big huge guide to try to help out the community and a bunch of clowns come into the thread and start calling him all sorts of fucking names and trying to pick fights with him simply because he said he was trying out for a Korean clan, or whatever other moronic reason the person appears to have. What the fuck? Don't fucking post if your post serves no purpose other than to instigate a pointless fight so that you can look "investigative" or whatever stupid justification your dumbass can come up with.
hey i didn't mean to be sarcastic. but the way you came off was pretty sarcastic. no i haven't played every single korean in 3.33 and yeah there are a lot of people in 3.33, but what i was stating was that i don't think 50% of the number in 3.33 is as bad as you say they are. dood but whatever, who gives a snot who is good and who isn't then
and also, the reason why people were getting pissed off was because lastshadow was being an arrogant prick with his strats (not my problem) from what other people are saying. fine post your opinion, but in all honesty, i wasn't trying to pick a fight with you you moron. now that you made it some kinda bs, you elevated it to some level that you think i give a care about. also, i value tl.net's community and how i can post whatever i think and whatever i want unless it doesn't go against the community posting rules.
don't tell me whether or not i can post all right? my bad if you took it as an offense if you thought i was picking a fight with you, but hey it's not my problem if you see it that way
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Don't worry, Shadow. Once you get top 10 GG.net ranking, you can brag all day about yourself and they will only praise you. PM me for proof.
lol.
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On May 23 2007 17:33 -_- wrote:
Guide sucks ass. And as a guy who's written a lot of suckass guides, I know what guides suck ass.
Not that your strats are bad. Don't really care about that. But the way you wrote the guide is awful. Don't use lots of technical terms and abbreviations. And if you abbreviate show the abbreviation in these () before you use it. I can just see you reveling in the techinicality of your guide, thinking how advanced and skilled you sound. Don't do that. It just makes it tougher to read, and it doesn't impress ANYONE.
Formatting sucks balls also. Use bold italics underline whatever.
About what you're saying, it's alright. Gosu that you're 14.
Oh I understand now! You mean something like this right. Like the post that was ignored from page two?
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LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDE
Author: LaStShadOw
Posted: May 22 2007 19:52
To: Teamliquid.net/Other
Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide
I-Emerge for revising this guide
Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons.
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TERRAN vs. PROTOSS
I think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema.
Midas Rush - Any Map
This is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable.
Early Game Theme
7 Upgraded Marines
1 Tank
1 Expansion
Move out and micro to no end.
Chosen Build
9 Depot
11 Barracks
12 Gas
NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Scout or Zealot rush.
My Midas Rush offers me three things
1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado.
2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it.
NOTE: Midas > Robo
3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive.
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On May 23 2007 17:50 lastshadow wrote:its not pressure. its pure annoyance of retarded posters that arent even known.i respect TT1/Inc's posts because i respect them as gamers/people. But idiots who come out of no-where flaming me because they have more posts than me/because im unknown ( where has a ladder been/tourney for me to get known?) Im pretty sure savior's diary states he was unknown then rose to stardom even getting flamed. Not saying that is going to happen with me. But so far theres been 3 gosu posters ; 33% nice people commenting the guide ; 66% bm assholes who think because lastshadow is unknown, he is a horrible horrible player and cant make a guide. Apparently we will all see when WGT comes around or the GG.Net Tourney for "up and coming" players.
Lol, so posters like me have no right to tell you to tone down your arrogance because we are not "known"? You respect inc/tt1 because they are known gamers?
damn being unknown in SC really hurts =/
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I enjoyed the guide. Thanks for writing it.
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hey lastshadow i appreciate the guide. you had 2 strats in there that interested me. thanks for your time and effort.
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quit being a fucking dick, you sound like ambrosia
No one cares if you are good or if you are bad, stop having you and your little buddy talking about you winning a few games here and there, thats not a good way to go about things. Also talking about being "knowN" is pretty gay, seems someone is trying to compensate for some self esteem issues.
Your play is pretty nice, but because im sort of out of the loop and havent played you I cant really say how good you are, But i sure as hell dont need you brining up people from gamei when it wasnt active for about 5 years. So please, no one begged you to write anything, it wasnt for the community and you and your little buddy rub people the wrong way. If you want to get "known" just do good, thats all there is to it.
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It is a pretty good guide. You're tone/writing style is, well... bad, but I'll say that's cause you're 14 or something. I think you should try to use less terminology like "midas rush," etc. You also don't cover what counters to expect to the builds, for the most part. a big part of pressure play also is harassment and tank placement, which you do not discuss in much detail.
really though it's a pretty comprehensive guide and i don't think you should be getting all butthurt because kids are giving you some (somewhat deserved) shit for it.
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and you were braggin about 18-1 in wgt and yet you reset? oo;; sounds strange to me
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Tch. PvT is all about the dark drops. Enough darks in shuttles and you can't lose. Ask Lastshadow.
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its a useful guide for builds, im sure if it was just worded a little diferently there would be no need for arguments, he could have wrote it a little bit better ,and some people could have not started flaming him right off the bat, a mutual mistake, can we all get along now, and love each other like me and Kwark?
kwark bitch, have you buddy list added me !!!!
havent (owned) played you in ages, where ya been ?
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On May 23 2007 18:37 I-Emerge wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 17:33 -_- wrote:
Guide sucks ass. And as a guy who's written a lot of suckass guides, I know what guides suck ass.
Not that your strats are bad. Don't really care about that. But the way you wrote the guide is awful. Don't use lots of technical terms and abbreviations. And if you abbreviate show the abbreviation in these () before you use it. I can just see you reveling in the techinicality of your guide, thinking how advanced and skilled you sound. Don't do that. It just makes it tougher to read, and it doesn't impress ANYONE.
Formatting sucks balls also. Use bold italics underline whatever.
About what you're saying, it's alright. Gosu that you're 14. Oh I understand now! You mean something like this right. Like the post that was ignored from page two? ====================================================================== LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDEAuthor: LaStShadOw Posted: May 22 2007 19:52 To: Teamliquid.net/Other Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide I-Emerge for revising this guide Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TERRAN vs. PROTOSSI think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema. Midas Rush - Any MapThis is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable. Early Game Theme7 Upgraded Marines 1 Tank 1 Expansion Move out and micro to no end. Chosen Build 9 Depot 11 Barracks 12 Gas NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Scout or Zealot rush. My Midas Rush offers me three things1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado. 2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it. NOTE: Midas > Robo3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---I-Emerge
Yeah! That would fix the formatting, though text is still messy.
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I wonder why you respect Inc, when he behaves like a arrogant idiot? I dont think you did anything wrong when you did post this guide, it just seems like there are many fools here, that have a "need" to keep bringing people down.
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4 ranged goons at your choke (and 2 more coming from a standard 2-gate-range) > 7 rines + tank if he micros well. And 2 gate range is a very much used opening. Now don't get me wrong, a lot of rines work, but other than that you don't have squat (1 tank isn't that much of a threat), so if he just camps at your choke/nat/whatever I don't think you'll be able to do any sort of damage to him.
The second strat would work if he expos a lot but if he goes dt to keep you from expoing you're toast. When I go dt I don't even try and go up-ramp. I just camp at the expo spot. If I do this, then when you come out you won't have scan (turrets don't count, since you're supposed to be agressive). And that will set you back A LOT, and the whole build is kinda compromised.
I didn't bother reading further, because I'm not a terran player, but I do want to say that you should also expose the weaknesses of these builds. You're acting like there's nothing anyone can do to stop them, and well, there is.
Either way, I respect all terrans that go ANYTHING but 1fact exp.
Lol I just read page 5. You remind me of that quote on bash
"HOW CAN YOU TELL I'M THIRTEEN JUST BY LOOKING AT WHAT I'M WRITEING?????"
Did you expect EVERYONE to love it? Of course there are going to be people who don't like it, people who disagree with it completely, etc. Your move - calling them fags, was a really bad one. Ignore would have worked much better. Learn to control your temper little one.
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Not wanting to put you down or something, but you should first learn to appreciate your skill to its true level. Not saying you're a bad player, but this :
http://www.wgtour.com/League/replays/213522894_1179965887.rep
doesn't seem to me exactly near to best foreigner level, let along the best amature korean one.
OK, thats not a TvT guide, but ... Even if you were a pro, theres no reason to announce yourself this way >.<
Thank you for efforts and your guide though, just next time dont present things like that, and you'll probably get only positive returns.
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On May 23 2007 20:24 Sadist wrote:
quit being a fucking dick, you sound like ambrosia
No one cares if you are good or if you are bad, stop having you and your little buddy talking about you winning a few games here and there, thats not a good way to go about things. Also talking about being "knowN" is pretty gay, seems someone is trying to compensate for some self esteem issues.
Your play is pretty nice, but because im sort of out of the loop and havent played you I cant really say how good you are, But i sure as hell dont need you brining up people from gamei when it wasnt active for about 5 years. So please, no one begged you to write anything, it wasnt for the community and you and your little buddy rub people the wrong way. If you want to get "known" just do good, thats all there is to it.
Um are you referring to me as "his little buddy?" If so then I must say there is no reason to include me in the discussion of undersireable qualities lastshadow may have. I made all my post in this thread without his permission are knowledge. He has not put me up to anything. The only other post I made other than posting the revised guide was to help calm things down before this thread got to this point. It is unfair to group me with anyone due to the mere fact that I may be there friend. Judge me for who I am and notice I have not contributed to any negative aspets of the guide. I posted am sample guide that was revised before his awareness and I posted it only to have it ignored untill 4 pages later. If read I am sure you can I see I took out a lot of content that people disaaprove of. I pretty much seen what everyone is saying in advance and as a gift to spare him this flame, chose to edit his guid while trying to keep his personality within it.
New PM
Private Message
From: XyO
Subject: Re: Do you want the rest?
Date: 5/23 10:36
Eh i really appreciate the help but i think people would like it if it came from words because that is how i think...i'll call you later to talk about it though none the less.
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Original Message:
Hi Nick,
I am happy you chose to make a guide as I including other have suggested. I wanted to help you like always so I am editing your guide. I think you can add pictures of each topic to go along with the new guide. Once it is all done then I am sure your guide will become a featured thread and on the best guide lists. I am going to PM you a copy of the first section of your guide as a sample so that I don't invest many more hours editing this only to have it be rejected and not psoted. I am aware of style and personality differences in writing that we have. I did my best to keep as much of you in it as possible while trimming ghe guide for easier reading. Please tell me what you think and if you want me to contiune.
---I-Emerge
P.S. Please note that I am not adding anything from my own knowledge but I am rephrazing and cutting out words or sentences to increase the quality of the guide. Since you are in school I am sure you know the value of having others proof read your essays.
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On May 24 2007 04:24 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 18:37 I-Emerge wrote:On May 23 2007 17:33 -_- wrote:
Guide sucks ass. And as a guy who's written a lot of suckass guides, I know what guides suck ass.
Not that your strats are bad. Don't really care about that. But the way you wrote the guide is awful. Don't use lots of technical terms and abbreviations. And if you abbreviate show the abbreviation in these () before you use it. I can just see you reveling in the techinicality of your guide, thinking how advanced and skilled you sound. Don't do that. It just makes it tougher to read, and it doesn't impress ANYONE.
Formatting sucks balls also. Use bold italics underline whatever.
About what you're saying, it's alright. Gosu that you're 14. Oh I understand now! You mean something like this right. Like the post that was ignored from page two? ====================================================================== LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDEAuthor: LaStShadOw Posted: May 22 2007 19:52 To: Teamliquid.net/Other Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide I-Emerge for revising this guide Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TERRAN vs. PROTOSSI think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema. Midas Rush - Any MapThis is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable. Early Game Theme7 Upgraded Marines 1 Tank 1 Expansion Move out and micro to no end. Chosen Build 9 Depot 11 Barracks 12 Gas NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Scout or Zealot rush. My Midas Rush offers me three things1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado. 2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it. NOTE: Midas > Robo3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---I-Emerge Yeah! That would fix the formatting, though text is still messy.
Thanks!
I had to keep a lot of his style and personality in the gyide or else it would be my guide. Also, I knew it would not be approved for posting if I took too much of him out of it. As you see above in the email, I was right and was not approved untill later. Do you have any suggestions.
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LOLOL. Pathetic.
This is why this forum is the best forum on TL!
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
this guy is gosu, listen to his stuff.
i've played him many times and we've had some ggs ^^
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On May 24 2007 04:55 tintinowns wrote:
I wonder why you respect Inc, when he behaves like a arrogant idiot? I dont think you did anything wrong when you did post this guide, it just seems like there are many fools here, that have a "need" to keep bringing people down.
Where in my post did I say anything about him posting this guide as being bad? Where in my post do I say anything about that? You are a fucking moron. I said "name dropping" and "bragging" will only hurt his reputation and diminish his ability to excell.
If you dont have the brain capacity to read through my entire post and see his response in kind and comprehend it fully, maybe you shouldnt be a complete moron and generalize me as a person who "only is there to bring others down." I posted for his benefit, not my own.
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completly agree this was the main reason i was so pissed, he plays a couple of wgt games and wins 1-2 game and starts acting like hes all that and starts bringing up everyones accs in everyone of his posts and starts posting reps all over the place for some reason, then people ask why others smurf, you have a perfect example of why players who smurf do not want to play vs players like lastshadow
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and ur style is anything but pressure terran
edit : the only thing i find funny is that before wgt i had never seen ur acc on tl.net but after u win some games ur all over the place
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i still don't know who the hell he is
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On May 24 2007 11:32 TT1 wrote:
and ur style is anything but pressure terran
edit : the only thing i find funny is that before wgt i had never seen ur acc on tl.net but after u win some games ur all over the place
If it isnt pressure terran, what would you call pressure terran?
Also, i used the ID XyO for the past few months, i made lastshadow recently to talk about my ID in the wgt who is who thread.
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United States4471 Posts
A pity that unnecessary bickering ruined what could have been one of the better Strategy Forum threads in a while. Instead of providing critique of the guide itself in an attempt to make it better and thus give the community some useful information, we instead end up with a soap opera of a thread with people talking about everything except for the guide.
Sigh...
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I completely agree cyric. I will re-make this strategy post and lets keep it flame free.
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On May 24 2007 13:13 lastshadow wrote:
I completely agree cyric. I will re-make this strategy post and lets keep it flame free.
thanks, enough flaming for the day...
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On May 24 2007 12:28 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2007 11:32 TT1 wrote:
and ur style is anything but pressure terran
edit : the only thing i find funny is that before wgt i had never seen ur acc on tl.net but after u win some games ur all over the place If it isnt pressure terran, what would you call pressure terran? Also, i used the ID XyO for the past few months, i made lastshadow recently to talk about my ID in the wgt who is who thread.
i would call pressure terran pressure but lastshadow pressure terran makes no sense cus u apply no pressure at all gl with ur second thread i wont even reply to you anymore pls dont bring up my acc and ill ignore u and u ignore me
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everybodys just repeating the same damn thing. i think shadow gets the point. seriously we have some pretty retarded people on this forum.
for the replays can you upload a midas rush where the protoss goes robo instead of 2gate
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"Where in my post did I say anything about him posting this guide as being bad? Where in my post do I say anything about that? You are a fucking moron. I said "name dropping" and "bragging" will only hurt his reputation and diminish his ability to excell.
If you dont have the brain capacity to read through my entire post and see his response in kind and comprehend it fully, maybe you shouldnt be a complete moron and generalize me as a person who "only is there to bring others down." I posted for his benefit, not my own."
Well in this thread you and many "others" came with shit-talk toward him. Even though he "brags"
Why do you guys care? He is a personality, and the guide was interesting + he contributes.
I just hate "bessewissers"
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USA29055 Posts
Bessewissers is what? I didnt shit talk him, I specifically said "this is not shit talking" or "flaming" i think was my exact wording. People telling him like it is or giving him advice (Liquid`Drone did the same thing) is not flaming. You don't have to accept anyone and everyone on this forum, sometimes people deserve a few stern words, this thread and his cockiness was one of em.
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