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On May 23 2007 17:08 Ganfei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 14:30 sOnagi[3.33] wrote:On May 23 2007 13:31 Ganfei wrote:On May 23 2007 12:21 lastshadow wrote:On May 23 2007 12:17 GongKyuckTerran wrote:On May 23 2007 12:10 lastshadow wrote:
And as for your second request, i never played with bwlpp because other people w/o couldnt see. I can however post replays if you'd like. ok post few tvp vs korean toss  Ok...but why must the toss's be korean? Are you saying top-foreigners are that bad? No, he just the typical person who tries to bring you down for no other reason than to be annoying. Get used to it, it's the internet. Also, if you're not korean and say you're trying out for a korean team, people will automatically assume you're bad. If you haven't played a specific korean they've heard of in that clan, they'll assume you're bad again. What they don't know is that 50% of those "gosu" korean teams like 3.33 are around a C level on PGT. They don't seem to understand that being able to speak Korean is 50% of the tryout for the teams. Why do those teams have 200 members? Because 50% of them are casual teamgamers who kind of suck in the 1:1 sphere. Capo is the perfect example of this. He wants replays vs Myth[Shield] just because he has the Shield tag, even admitting he has no clue if Myth is any good or not. But that clan tag somehow mystifies him into some Korean starcraft god. are you saying 50% of koreans within 3.33 are around a C level on PGT? just wondering...where'd you get your info? have you played koreans within 3.33? i'm just curious as to see where you got the information. edit: just for the record, the koreans i've played with in 3.33 are def. not around C level, some are really good. but i haven't been in 3.33 for a long time, so who knows. So let's see, you agree with me? Yes I've played plenty of "Koreans in 3.33." And have you played every single Korean in 3.33? Have you even played with 25% of the total membership? Because there are a LOT of people in 3.33. So the Koreans you've played with are good. Did I say there aren't good Koreans in 3.33? Ofc not, because there are plenty of good ones. I said 50% of the massive number of players in 3.33 are not very good at all. -------------------- I think it's absolutely pathetic for someone to post a big huge guide to try to help out the community and a bunch of clowns come into the thread and start calling him all sorts of fucking names and trying to pick fights with him simply because he said he was trying out for a Korean clan, or whatever other moronic reason the person appears to have. What the fuck? Don't fucking post if your post serves no purpose other than to instigate a pointless fight so that you can look "investigative" or whatever stupid justification your dumbass can come up with.
hey i didn't mean to be sarcastic. but the way you came off was pretty sarcastic. no i haven't played every single korean in 3.33 and yeah there are a lot of people in 3.33, but what i was stating was that i don't think 50% of the number in 3.33 is as bad as you say they are. dood but whatever, who gives a snot who is good and who isn't then
and also, the reason why people were getting pissed off was because lastshadow was being an arrogant prick with his strats (not my problem) from what other people are saying. fine post your opinion, but in all honesty, i wasn't trying to pick a fight with you you moron. now that you made it some kinda bs, you elevated it to some level that you think i give a care about. also, i value tl.net's community and how i can post whatever i think and whatever i want unless it doesn't go against the community posting rules.
don't tell me whether or not i can post all right? my bad if you took it as an offense if you thought i was picking a fight with you, but hey it's not my problem if you see it that way
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Don't worry, Shadow. Once you get top 10 GG.net ranking, you can brag all day about yourself and they will only praise you. PM me for proof.
lol.
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On May 23 2007 17:33 -_- wrote:
Guide sucks ass. And as a guy who's written a lot of suckass guides, I know what guides suck ass.
Not that your strats are bad. Don't really care about that. But the way you wrote the guide is awful. Don't use lots of technical terms and abbreviations. And if you abbreviate show the abbreviation in these () before you use it. I can just see you reveling in the techinicality of your guide, thinking how advanced and skilled you sound. Don't do that. It just makes it tougher to read, and it doesn't impress ANYONE.
Formatting sucks balls also. Use bold italics underline whatever.
About what you're saying, it's alright. Gosu that you're 14.
Oh I understand now! You mean something like this right. Like the post that was ignored from page two?
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LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDE
Author: LaStShadOw
Posted: May 22 2007 19:52
To: Teamliquid.net/Other
Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide
I-Emerge for revising this guide
Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons.
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TERRAN vs. PROTOSS
I think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema.
Midas Rush - Any Map
This is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable.
Early Game Theme
7 Upgraded Marines
1 Tank
1 Expansion
Move out and micro to no end.
Chosen Build
9 Depot
11 Barracks
12 Gas
NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Scout or Zealot rush.
My Midas Rush offers me three things
1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado.
2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it.
NOTE: Midas > Robo
3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive.
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On May 23 2007 17:50 lastshadow wrote:its not pressure. its pure annoyance of retarded posters that arent even known.i respect TT1/Inc's posts because i respect them as gamers/people. But idiots who come out of no-where flaming me because they have more posts than me/because im unknown ( where has a ladder been/tourney for me to get known?) Im pretty sure savior's diary states he was unknown then rose to stardom even getting flamed. Not saying that is going to happen with me. But so far theres been 3 gosu posters ; 33% nice people commenting the guide ; 66% bm assholes who think because lastshadow is unknown, he is a horrible horrible player and cant make a guide. Apparently we will all see when WGT comes around or the GG.Net Tourney for "up and coming" players.
Lol, so posters like me have no right to tell you to tone down your arrogance because we are not "known"? You respect inc/tt1 because they are known gamers?
damn being unknown in SC really hurts =/
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I enjoyed the guide. Thanks for writing it.
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hey lastshadow i appreciate the guide. you had 2 strats in there that interested me. thanks for your time and effort.
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quit being a fucking dick, you sound like ambrosia
No one cares if you are good or if you are bad, stop having you and your little buddy talking about you winning a few games here and there, thats not a good way to go about things. Also talking about being "knowN" is pretty gay, seems someone is trying to compensate for some self esteem issues.
Your play is pretty nice, but because im sort of out of the loop and havent played you I cant really say how good you are, But i sure as hell dont need you brining up people from gamei when it wasnt active for about 5 years. So please, no one begged you to write anything, it wasnt for the community and you and your little buddy rub people the wrong way. If you want to get "known" just do good, thats all there is to it.
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It is a pretty good guide. You're tone/writing style is, well... bad, but I'll say that's cause you're 14 or something. I think you should try to use less terminology like "midas rush," etc. You also don't cover what counters to expect to the builds, for the most part. a big part of pressure play also is harassment and tank placement, which you do not discuss in much detail.
really though it's a pretty comprehensive guide and i don't think you should be getting all butthurt because kids are giving you some (somewhat deserved) shit for it.
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and you were braggin about 18-1 in wgt and yet you reset? oo;; sounds strange to me
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Tch. PvT is all about the dark drops. Enough darks in shuttles and you can't lose. Ask Lastshadow.
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its a useful guide for builds, im sure if it was just worded a little diferently there would be no need for arguments, he could have wrote it a little bit better ,and some people could have not started flaming him right off the bat, a mutual mistake, can we all get along now, and love each other like me and Kwark?
kwark bitch, have you buddy list added me !!!!
havent (owned) played you in ages, where ya been ?
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On May 23 2007 18:37 I-Emerge wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 17:33 -_- wrote:
Guide sucks ass. And as a guy who's written a lot of suckass guides, I know what guides suck ass.
Not that your strats are bad. Don't really care about that. But the way you wrote the guide is awful. Don't use lots of technical terms and abbreviations. And if you abbreviate show the abbreviation in these () before you use it. I can just see you reveling in the techinicality of your guide, thinking how advanced and skilled you sound. Don't do that. It just makes it tougher to read, and it doesn't impress ANYONE.
Formatting sucks balls also. Use bold italics underline whatever.
About what you're saying, it's alright. Gosu that you're 14. Oh I understand now! You mean something like this right. Like the post that was ignored from page two? ====================================================================== LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDEAuthor: LaStShadOw Posted: May 22 2007 19:52 To: Teamliquid.net/Other Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide I-Emerge for revising this guide Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TERRAN vs. PROTOSSI think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema. Midas Rush - Any MapThis is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable. Early Game Theme7 Upgraded Marines 1 Tank 1 Expansion Move out and micro to no end. Chosen Build 9 Depot 11 Barracks 12 Gas NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Scout or Zealot rush. My Midas Rush offers me three things1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado. 2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it. NOTE: Midas > Robo3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---I-Emerge
Yeah! That would fix the formatting, though text is still messy.
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I wonder why you respect Inc, when he behaves like a arrogant idiot? I dont think you did anything wrong when you did post this guide, it just seems like there are many fools here, that have a "need" to keep bringing people down.
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4 ranged goons at your choke (and 2 more coming from a standard 2-gate-range) > 7 rines + tank if he micros well. And 2 gate range is a very much used opening. Now don't get me wrong, a lot of rines work, but other than that you don't have squat (1 tank isn't that much of a threat), so if he just camps at your choke/nat/whatever I don't think you'll be able to do any sort of damage to him.
The second strat would work if he expos a lot but if he goes dt to keep you from expoing you're toast. When I go dt I don't even try and go up-ramp. I just camp at the expo spot. If I do this, then when you come out you won't have scan (turrets don't count, since you're supposed to be agressive). And that will set you back A LOT, and the whole build is kinda compromised.
I didn't bother reading further, because I'm not a terran player, but I do want to say that you should also expose the weaknesses of these builds. You're acting like there's nothing anyone can do to stop them, and well, there is.
Either way, I respect all terrans that go ANYTHING but 1fact exp.
Lol I just read page 5. You remind me of that quote on bash
"HOW CAN YOU TELL I'M THIRTEEN JUST BY LOOKING AT WHAT I'M WRITEING?????"
Did you expect EVERYONE to love it? Of course there are going to be people who don't like it, people who disagree with it completely, etc. Your move - calling them fags, was a really bad one. Ignore would have worked much better. Learn to control your temper little one.
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Not wanting to put you down or something, but you should first learn to appreciate your skill to its true level. Not saying you're a bad player, but this :
http://www.wgtour.com/League/replays/213522894_1179965887.rep
doesn't seem to me exactly near to best foreigner level, let along the best amature korean one.
OK, thats not a TvT guide, but ... Even if you were a pro, theres no reason to announce yourself this way >.<
Thank you for efforts and your guide though, just next time dont present things like that, and you'll probably get only positive returns.
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On May 23 2007 20:24 Sadist wrote:
quit being a fucking dick, you sound like ambrosia
No one cares if you are good or if you are bad, stop having you and your little buddy talking about you winning a few games here and there, thats not a good way to go about things. Also talking about being "knowN" is pretty gay, seems someone is trying to compensate for some self esteem issues.
Your play is pretty nice, but because im sort of out of the loop and havent played you I cant really say how good you are, But i sure as hell dont need you brining up people from gamei when it wasnt active for about 5 years. So please, no one begged you to write anything, it wasnt for the community and you and your little buddy rub people the wrong way. If you want to get "known" just do good, thats all there is to it.
Um are you referring to me as "his little buddy?" If so then I must say there is no reason to include me in the discussion of undersireable qualities lastshadow may have. I made all my post in this thread without his permission are knowledge. He has not put me up to anything. The only other post I made other than posting the revised guide was to help calm things down before this thread got to this point. It is unfair to group me with anyone due to the mere fact that I may be there friend. Judge me for who I am and notice I have not contributed to any negative aspets of the guide. I posted am sample guide that was revised before his awareness and I posted it only to have it ignored untill 4 pages later. If read I am sure you can I see I took out a lot of content that people disaaprove of. I pretty much seen what everyone is saying in advance and as a gift to spare him this flame, chose to edit his guid while trying to keep his personality within it.
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From: XyO
Subject: Re: Do you want the rest?
Date: 5/23 10:36
Eh i really appreciate the help but i think people would like it if it came from words because that is how i think...i'll call you later to talk about it though none the less.
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Hi Nick,
I am happy you chose to make a guide as I including other have suggested. I wanted to help you like always so I am editing your guide. I think you can add pictures of each topic to go along with the new guide. Once it is all done then I am sure your guide will become a featured thread and on the best guide lists. I am going to PM you a copy of the first section of your guide as a sample so that I don't invest many more hours editing this only to have it be rejected and not psoted. I am aware of style and personality differences in writing that we have. I did my best to keep as much of you in it as possible while trimming ghe guide for easier reading. Please tell me what you think and if you want me to contiune.
---I-Emerge
P.S. Please note that I am not adding anything from my own knowledge but I am rephrazing and cutting out words or sentences to increase the quality of the guide. Since you are in school I am sure you know the value of having others proof read your essays.
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On May 24 2007 04:24 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2007 18:37 I-Emerge wrote:On May 23 2007 17:33 -_- wrote:
Guide sucks ass. And as a guy who's written a lot of suckass guides, I know what guides suck ass.
Not that your strats are bad. Don't really care about that. But the way you wrote the guide is awful. Don't use lots of technical terms and abbreviations. And if you abbreviate show the abbreviation in these () before you use it. I can just see you reveling in the techinicality of your guide, thinking how advanced and skilled you sound. Don't do that. It just makes it tougher to read, and it doesn't impress ANYONE.
Formatting sucks balls also. Use bold italics underline whatever.
About what you're saying, it's alright. Gosu that you're 14. Oh I understand now! You mean something like this right. Like the post that was ignored from page two? ====================================================================== LASTSHADOW'S Tvp PREASURE GUIDEAuthor: LaStShadOw Posted: May 22 2007 19:52 To: Teamliquid.net/Other Special Thanks: Daze for suggesting a layout for this guide I-Emerge for revising this guide Due to many people from WGT, GG.net, and Battle.net asking me to write a Terran Guide, I have finally chosen to do so. Writing this took about three hours so I hope you all enjoy! Granted, I may not be the best “Foreign Terran” but I believe that my style is very unique. This Terran Super Preasure Style Guide includes insights of each Build Order's pros and cons.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TERRAN vs. PROTOSSI think my Tvp is my most dominating matchup. I do not fear Protoss going into a game. I don’t care who they are as long as they are not a progamer. Thus, I think my Tvp can contend with the top foreigners. In Tvp, I generally open with 7 to 10 rush oriented attacks in order to gain a lead putting the Protoss in a dilema. Midas Rush - Any MapThis is probably my most common rush in Tvp. I believe that if controlled properly, it is one of the most deadly rushes out there. I favor this rush for three reasons. It is deceptive, it hurts, and makes me feel comfortable. Early Game Theme7 Upgraded Marines 1 Tank 1 Expansion Move out and micro to no end. Chosen Build 9 Depot 11 Barracks 12 Gas NOTE: A timely Barracks hinders a Scout or Zealot rush. My Midas Rush offers me three things1. It breaks down a 1 Gate Range into FE forcing ProToss to cancle their expansion gaining me time on mine. Having the same Fact to Gate ratio enables me to jump to my third Fact and get to my preasure style immediately since he will lose units. Also, my new Fact allows me to reproduce units quicker and transiton into a 5 Fact Tornado. 2. I may catch them doing a Robo Build. Aginst this I can dominate them by going into their base and kills probes. There isn't much more too it. NOTE: Midas > Robo3. If forced back due to 2 Gate Range Robo or 2 Gate Range into FE, I'll contain far enough outside his choke so it's not noticeable but close enough for a quick attack. This will generally make a Protoss panic and suicide more than he should to stop it strengthening my Pressure Push. This is simular to Midas vs. Draco but much more aggressive. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---I-Emerge Yeah! That would fix the formatting, though text is still messy.
Thanks!
I had to keep a lot of his style and personality in the gyide or else it would be my guide. Also, I knew it would not be approved for posting if I took too much of him out of it. As you see above in the email, I was right and was not approved untill later. Do you have any suggestions.
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LOLOL. Pathetic.
This is why this forum is the best forum on TL!
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MyLostTemple
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this guy is gosu, listen to his stuff.
i've played him many times and we've had some ggs ^^
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