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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
I keep saying it but Sylvanas burned more than innocents and a capital city. Furthermore, people saying that Sylvanas isn't an individual full of hatred and determination to eliminate her enemies no matter the cost is either ignorant of past events or in fan-boy la la land. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I take it you are referring to the World Tree in Northrend (think it was in Grizzly Hills)? I don't think there was any evidence that Teldrasil was experiencing any corruption, and if it was it would be weird that Sylvanas is the only person to know about it. It's possible, though, I suppose. Though if that's the way Blizz goes they are basically having her pulling the same stupid move that Holdo did in The Last Jedi. I've been assuming it's more Sylvanas is operating either under the influence or possibly as an unwitting pawn of the Old Gods here. Regardless they seem to be the only ones who stand to gain from the current situation. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On August 02 2018 06:20 Tictock wrote: I mentioned it last page actually, and I'm sure I'm not the only person to do so. I take it you are referring to the World Tree in Northrend (think it was in Grizzly Hills)? I don't think there was any evidence that Teldrasil was experiencing any corruption, and if it was it would be weird that Sylvanas is the only person to know about it. It's possible, though, I suppose. Though if that's the way Blizz goes they are basically having her pulling the same stupid move that Holdo did in The Last Jedi. I've been assuming it's more Sylvanas is operating either under the influence or possibly as an unwitting pawn of the Old Gods here. Regardless they seem to be the only ones who stand to gain from the current situation. As said previously, It is believed that Old Gods cannot influence the undead. But it's fun to speculate. What if Sylvanas donesn't know about the corruption, but the Loa does? What if that is the reason why Vol'Jin made Sylvanas the new warchief? Someone mentioned how Wrathion could be masquerading as Sylvanas to do all this, just like Onyxia masqueraded Varian. lol | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On August 02 2018 06:39 Grettin wrote: As said previously, It is believed that Old Gods cannot influence the undead. But it's fun to speculate. What if Sylvanas donesn't know about the corruption, but the Loa does? What if that is the reason why Vol'Jin made Sylvanas the new warchief? Someone mentioned how Wrathion could be masquerading as Sylvanas to do all this, just like Onyxia masqueraded Varian. lol Heh, I had almost forgotten about Wrathion. Last we heard from him was WoD? I very easily could have missed something in Legion. Yea I agree it's fun to think about, though Sylvanas "accidently" cleansing the world of a corrupted world tree doesn't explain or excuse her current actions very well. I could buy that was a reason why the Loa chose her though. In my last post I was wondering if maybe Syl wasn't being directly influenced by the old gods, but rather they were indirectly influencing her somehow. I will say this, it may not have been the exact intention of the writers but where we are at right now is generating some extra expose for the Expansion and getting attn. Mostly from outraged Horde players, but it's drawing attn. from people who are otherwise not really following the expansion. Hell, personally I could care less about the Horde vs Alliance war that keeps getting forced on us, but am finding myself drawn in by whats going on. I've always been more interested in the larger picture than the faction war, but I understand why they keep it going. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 02 2018 06:39 Grettin wrote: As said previously, It is believed that Old Gods cannot influence the undead. But it's fun to speculate. What if Sylvanas donesn't know about the corruption, but the Loa does? What if that is the reason why Vol'Jin made Sylvanas the new warchief? Someone mentioned how Wrathion could be masquerading as Sylvanas to do all this, just like Onyxia masqueraded Varian. lol The Undead who farmed Saronite in Wrath did start to get nutty tho. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22072 Posts
On August 02 2018 08:48 Slaughter wrote: The living slaves they used did. I don't remember any where the undead did.The Undead who farmed Saronite in Wrath did start to get nutty tho. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 02 2018 09:24 Gorsameth wrote: The living slaves they used did. I don't remember any where the undead did. Don't remember exactly where but I do remember hearing it, and that they had to process it for DKs to be able to use it. You definitely can't just pop it on and it would have 0 effect. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 02 2018 09:53 Cyro wrote: MAJOR bug with quest logs being wiped (and then sometimes bugged) on live, best not to log in tonight been playing for a while. Just ran a 105-110 in like 2.5 hrs (rested) no issues . | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
On August 02 2018 10:55 Rebs wrote: been playing for a while. Just ran a 105-110 in like 2.5 hrs (rested) no issues . Lots of people having issues and the first fix didn't work, servers have been up since the bug was hotfixed in 3-4 hrs ago with no warning ingame or in the client see https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/93tnxb/do_not_log_into_wow_player_quest_log_bug_is/?sort=top -- be sure to grab latest nvidia driver as well | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On August 02 2018 06:55 Tictock wrote: Heh, I had almost forgotten about Wrathion. Last we heard from him was WoD? I very easily could have missed something in Legion. Yea I agree it's fun to think about, though Sylvanas "accidently" cleansing the world of a corrupted world tree doesn't explain or excuse her current actions very well. I could buy that was a reason why the Loa chose her though. In my last post I was wondering if maybe Syl wasn't being directly influenced by the old gods, but rather they were indirectly influencing her somehow. Yeah, WoD and MoP was the last time Wrathion had a part in the expansion/story. I agree with your second paragraph though. Maybe the Loa gambled with Sylvanas, knowing what kind of a person she is? ;-) Personally the only way I see Sylvanas being influenced by some other party is through Azerite. In Before the Storm; + Show Spoiler + Sylvanas and Anduin are the only leaders to hold it close to them during the book. But if Azerite would be a way to influence people, why doesn't it work the same way on Anduin as it hypothetically does for Sylvanas? Because of light? Maybe. I forgot, Gallywix has had Azerite ornament on his staff. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 02 2018 15:39 Grettin wrote: Yeah, WoD and MoP was the last time Wrathion had a part in the expansion/story. Hes in the death of Chromie scenario so he makes an appearance in Legion. Atleast I think it was him, now I dont remember for sure. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50609 Posts
On August 02 2018 22:37 Rebs wrote: Hes in the death of Chromie scenario so he makes an appearance in Legion. Atleast I think it was him, now I dont remember for sure. hes in the scenario afaik | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 02 2018 23:04 farvacola wrote: Whelp, I went ahead and bought a new PC so I'll be ready for BfA to hit. For some reason, all of this bad storytelling has me hyped lol. Will you play for more than 2 weeks this time ? | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
Novellas from the collecter's editon show some differences compared to the ingame events.Blizzard will publish them online at a later date. It has always been a problem in warcraft lore that important pieces of informations are only available in books. + Show Spoiler + Unfortunately the last moments, the passing the kill on to Saurfang and deciding the burn the world tree..they haven’t really improved in my opinion. The motivation for burning it is described as inflicting the wound that Malfurion’s death should have suffered. But since Saurfang refused to kill him, she had to do something else and at that moment decided to give the other. Saurfang screams for them to stop firing, this is not their way, this is not what he signed up for, but it was already too late. Saurfang did not move for hours, not until the screams faded and the flames had burned themselves down to embers. Before him, stood a smoking husk that had once been a great civilization. Inside him was a feeling of despair, a feeling of shame. There was no haze of corruption now to soften the horror. Saurfang would remember this moment in his dreams forever. He would relive his shame, and all the new ones to come, over and over again. You have led your Horde in the service of death, Malfurion had said. How could Saurfang face the soldiers he had led into this war? How could he explain what they had done? He couldn’t. He would never know how. But the burden would be his, always, until his dying day. As Saurfang turned away, he hoped that day would come soon… | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22072 Posts
On August 03 2018 01:26 maze. wrote: www.wowhead.com Novellas from the collecter's editon show some differences compared to the ingame events.Blizzard will publish them online at a later date. It has always been a problem in warcraft lore that important pieces of informations are only available in books. + Show Spoiler + Unfortunately the last moments, the passing the kill on to Saurfang and deciding the burn the world tree..they haven’t really improved in my opinion. The motivation for burning it is described as inflicting the wound that Malfurion’s death should have suffered. But since Saurfang refused to kill him, she had to do something else and at that moment decided to give the other. Saurfang screams for them to stop firing, this is not their way, this is not what he signed up for, but it was already too late. Saurfang did not move for hours, not until the screams faded and the flames had burned themselves down to embers. Before him, stood a smoking husk that had once been a great civilization. Inside him was a feeling of despair, a feeling of shame. There was no haze of corruption now to soften the horror. Saurfang would remember this moment in his dreams forever. He would relive his shame, and all the new ones to come, over and over again. You have led your Horde in the service of death, Malfurion had said. How could Saurfang face the soldiers he had led into this war? How could he explain what they had done? He couldn’t. He would never know how. But the burden would be his, always, until his dying day. As Saurfang turned away, he hoped that day would come soon… And yet he is there for Lorderon. Saurfang being turn between duty and honor makes no sense for me. He already had this conflict with Garrosh and resolved it when he went with Thrall to confront Garrosh. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On August 03 2018 01:35 Gorsameth wrote: And yet he is there for Lorderon. Saurfang being turn between duty and honor makes no sense for me. He already had this conflict with Garrosh and resolved it when he went with Thrall to confront Garrosh. Being the Orc leader and part of the horde.. Following the Warchiefs orders as he has done for ages.. + Show Spoiler + Not to mention Sylvanas apparently saved his life. So could take that into account just as well, why Saurfang decided to go to the Battle. | ||
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