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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Tobad 5 minutes later he has a second change of heart and once again tries to kill himself after Sylvanas does more bad shit during the siege of Undercity. It's just all over the place and dumb | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ZjWcT1U.jpg) More advertisement crap pushing the friends list off screen. I miss having a WoW launcher instead of all of this being tied into something that is primarily a storefront | ||
NonY
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
He also hinted that further down within BFA, the Alliance would have their own similar moment where they question themselves to setup their "morally grey" story. I do think no matter what the justification is or whatever they do to explain Sylvana's vague ass story, it's still a weak narrative but probably won't be worse then the time they turned Alternate Grom who was the main antagonist of WoD into this redeemed heroic figure in HFC with no real explanation. This guy went from wanting to invade the world into "Demons are bad, we'll be never be slaves!" | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 03 2018 18:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This is the best cinematic to come from WoW ever in my opinion. Hell, best thing since Grom and Thrall vs Mannoroth in Warcraft III. The Teldrassil images are haunting. And a real character driven video? Much better than random action scenes. Better than WotLK cinematic? Come on now. That was a masterpiece. I'm pretty sure based on the Q&A interviews they're doing with game director Ion that their aim was to make players feel particularly upset about Sylvana's actions and succeeded in their goal although I'm sure they're going further justify Sylvana's actions in a way that makes her seem more reasonable once some her plot opens up somewhere near the middle to the end of expansion. I'm almost certain she isn't a Garrosh 2.0 because they don't repeat that narrative even though i'm also pretty sure that their portrayal of her being painted that way is intentional (Backlash was expected, the amount of it probably wasn't.) He also hinted that further down within BFA, the Alliance would have their own similar moment where they question themselves to setup their "morally grey" story. I do think no matter what the justification is or whatever they do to explain Sylvana's vague ass story, it's still a weak narrative but probably won't be worse then the time they turned Alternate Grom who was the main antagonist of WoD into this redeemed heroic figure in HFC with no real explanation. This guy went from wanting to invade the world into "Demons are bad, we'll be never be slaves!" You say that they would never repeat it, but SC2 was a crappy rehash of WC3's story, and people were calling it immediately after WoL was released and Blizzard didn't change it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
I'm pretty sure based on the Q&A interviews they're doing with game director Ion that their aim was to make players feel particularly upset about Sylvana's actions Feels like they missed the mark 'cause most people are annoyed at the poor quality of story writing rather than at sylvanas's actions There are X's at the top right of the ads. I think they don't reappear after you close them. Still annoying either way. I hardly ever look at the launcher. It just starts minimized to tray and I forget it exists Nice, ty! Didn't see them. Shouldn't have to do that but it's not quite as bad that way | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:01 Stratos_speAr wrote: You say that they would never repeat it, but SC2 was a crappy rehash of WC3's story, and people were calling it immediately after WoL was released and Blizzard didn't change it. I don't think i'm giving Blizzard too much credit in believing they're writing Sylvana's in a way where it's completely intentional on their part to make the player base feel negative towards her. I'm almost certain there's no ingenuity in Blizzard's part that writing a character that is doing bad things will make people feel bad about said character is having it's intended effect. I'm making the assumption they're going to find a cheesy way to justify her in some dumb way like "oh Jaina was working for the Naga's, she's doing this as a way to get at her" or "Someone close to the Alliance is very evil, Sylvana's knows of it and why she's being vague will be revealed" . The game director even mentioned "Oh Alliance is going to have their morally questionable moment sometime in this Xpac, just you wait", so I'm inclined to believe that the events happening now is leading up to that plot point he was referring to. I really don't like the way they're writing the current arc of the story either but I have a wait and see approach on how everything will play itself out even though I'll prob end up hating or feeling indifferent. There are so many examples of WoW's narrative team trying to write over their own inconsistencies (also a by-product of telling a story within the MMO genre) that deciding this is the breaking point people are having with it's lore is strange to me. P.S - I liked SC2's story in an ironic way. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:13 Cyro wrote: Feels like they missed the mark 'cause most people are annoyed at the poor quality of story writing rather than at sylvanas's actions Most people who were outraged had no fucking clue about the lore in the first place. They suddenly forgot the game is actually about war. | ||
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FarmI3oy
United States255 Posts
Saurfang is badass but he's sort of lost his orcish personality. One of the problems he has and will have until his demise is measuring up to Broxigar. How can he top going out the way his brother did? Quite frankly he never will. A warrior's death keeps eluding him and he's resorting to suicide by impossible odds. Had Zappyboi not turned him around... he probably would have gotten his wish. Either way I'm betting that he does die this expansion. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:56 Grettin wrote: Most people who were outraged had no fucking clue about the lore in the first place. They suddenly forgot the game is actually about war. I don't agree | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
I agree with your disagreement. Most of WoW has been the 2 factions acting like rivals they more or less respect and compete with but very few times has it really felt like either side really wanted to significantly hurt the other. Which is why Garrosh was such a dick at the time. Legion was the most coming together through class order halls but the 2 sides have been fighting on the same side since Vanilla when Saurfang led the combined army of Alliance and Horde vs the Silithid. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:13 Cyro wrote: Feels like they missed the mark 'cause most people are annoyed at the poor quality of story writing rather than at sylvanas's actions And when people are upset with the actions they will try to rationalize their feelings by calling it bad writing. It is almost impossible to separate these 2 things. But it is worth noting how there seemingly is a difference in perception between horde and alliance players. And I doubt players on one side are better literary critics than on the other. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
And when people are upset with the actions they will try to rationalize their feelings by calling it bad writing. It is almost impossible to separate these 2 things. Some stuff is unarguably bad writing / storytelling e.g. having two different versions of events which contradict each other (even worse, the "official" version being out of game) or putting important events/characters behind a secondary external paywall. That has nothing to do with which faction anybody has chosen, it's just a shit way to tell a story. But it is worth noting how there seemingly is a difference in perception between horde and alliance players Some horde players are hyped for the faction war stuff regardless or want to play as an evil faction and are glad to have an excuse to do so but there is a big core of people who are disappointed at the poor quality of storytelling on both sides. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Quick example "Unbound Chaos Your inner demon slams into nearby enemies at the end of your Fel Rush, dealing 460 1847 Chaos damage." I have some decent gear with that one available on Beta - it used to be about a +35% damage buff (fel rush is more betterer but it doesn't change much), now it's +140%. That buffs fel rush into a high priority ability even on few or 1 target and makes the talents that involve fel rush (fel mastery or momentum, since you're casting it anyway) more powerful and more viable to use against 1 target. The trait that gives haste after completing eye beam cast now gives +6% haste instead of +1.8% | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:56 Grettin wrote: Most people who were outraged had no fucking clue about the lore in the first place. They suddenly forgot the game is actually about war. I don't care if the game is about war between the factions that's cool and I don't care if Sylvanas and even the Horde are unambiguously evil at times that's fine too. I just thought the way they went about it was boring lol. People trying to defend Sylvanas as not being that evil or selfish or deceitful or whatever, that's a tall order. She's done some wild shit. Insert morally grey meme here. But I'd have preferred if the current events were done in a way that felt a bit more consistent with what I (and apparently a few others at least) like about her character. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
On August 03 2018 22:40 Velr wrote: No worries, the will rewrite her into a good guy in like 3-4 expansions... When Garrosh, Arthas, Illidan and her will fight of the Void or whatever.. Please don’t give blizzard anymore ideas 🙁 | ||
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Anlo
Sweden485 Posts
On August 04 2018 08:52 Kuroeeah wrote: I'm pretty sure based on the Q&A interviews they're doing with game director Ion that their aim was to make players feel particularly upset about Sylvana's actions and succeeded in their goal She's just been doing same old Sylvanas crazy stuff though. I mean, sure, maybe Horde hoped for more when she became Warchief but if I was Horde I'd be alot more dissapointed with Lor'themar and Baine. Heck I'm Alliance and I'm super dissapointed in Lor'themar. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On August 03 2018 22:40 Velr wrote: No worries, the will rewrite her into a good guy in like 3-4 expansions... When Garrosh, Arthas, Illidan and her will fight of the Void or whatever.. I don't think so. I've suspected for a while that sooner or later Sylvanas is going to go full Lich King and try to take over the Frozen Throne. She's been blatantly villainous and/or evil for a good while now, just cunning enough to keep it quiet. On August 04 2018 11:19 Redox wrote: And when people are upset with the actions they will try to rationalize their feelings by calling it bad writing. It is almost impossible to separate these 2 things. But it is worth noting how there seemingly is a difference in perception between horde and alliance players. And I doubt players on one side are better literary critics than on the other. No, people call Blizzard bad writers because they're bad writers. They have a track record of ignoring prior characterisation in order to tell the story they want to. Even if we accept everything with Garrosh is intended, the ending cinematic of Warlords was complete nonsense. They seriously wrote a scene where Grom acted like a big hero because TEH DEMONZ ARE DED, despite him launching a near-genocidal war against the draenai that had nothing to do with them, and for some reason the Draenai are all 'oh yeah cool the Burning Legion are beat we're buds now'. And that's just one example. The drop in writing quality from SC 1 to SC 2 was noticeable and instantly so. Line writing is fine, it's underlying things that are screwed up, logic, consistent characterisation, even basic causality. Events that happen don't lead to logical conclusions on a regular basis. I felt Legion was mostly a step up though. We'll see if BfA is the same quality or higher in time. I fear it won't be though. I can almost smell a 'mad Jaina' plot brewing in the backbrain of the writing team. | ||
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