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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Grettin
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+ Show Spoiler [Alliance Questline] + Saurfang let Malfurion and Tyrande to escape, even telling them to leave some place else other than Darnassus. I feel like even he doesn't want to do everything Sylvanas wants to do, despite his willingness to help with the invasion Vol'Jin's vision/decision or whatever that made him elect Sylvanas as the next Warchief is the interesting part, because there has to be a reason. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On August 01 2018 01:40 Grettin wrote: Saurfang is haunted by what he did during cleansing of Draenor lying awake as he hears the screams of his victims. In the newest book, pretty early on it's clear how most of the Horde leaders don't exactly trust Sylvanas or see things exactly her way. Sylvanas clearly burns down the tree impulsively, so i have hard time believing the other leaders would agree with such action. + Show Spoiler [Alliance Questline] + Saurfang let Malfurion and Tyrande to escape, even telling them to leave some place else other than Darnassus. I feel like even he doesn't want to do everything Sylvanas wants to do, despite his willingness to help with the invasion Vol'Jin's vision/decision or whatever made him to elect Sylvanas as the next Warchief is the interesting part, because there has to be a reason. Not long ago everyone saw Garrosh plunge the Horde back into its dark days. Realistically he should have buried his axe in Sylvanas's neck when she orders the burning. The Horde being seemingly ok with this after MoP makes 0 sense. | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
On August 01 2018 02:04 Gorsameth wrote: Saurfang is haunted by what he did during cleansing of Draenor lying awake as he hears the screams of his victims. Not long ago everyone saw Garrosh plunge the Horde back into its dark days. Realistically he should have buried his axe in Sylvanas's neck when she orders the burning. The Horde being seemingly ok with this after MoP makes 0 sense. Saurfang is an old orc who has seen enough wants to die in battle. War will bring him plenty of opportunites. Warrior class campaign starts with him going on a suicide mission into the broken shores. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On August 01 2018 02:04 Gorsameth wrote: Saurfang is haunted by what he did during cleansing of Draenor lying awake as he hears the screams of his victims. Not long ago everyone saw Garrosh plunge the Horde back into its dark days. Realistically he should have buried his axe in Sylvanas's neck when she orders the burning. The Horde being seemingly ok with this after MoP makes 0 sense. Seemingly okay with what exactly? The invasion to "protect" Hordes interests or the burning of the tree? There's only one leader who sees that the tree is burning that we know of, excluding Sylvanas. Even Nathanos seemed to be surprised by the order to burn it down. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
The morally grey comment will haunt this entire expansion ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/5pXPqhy.png) | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On August 01 2018 02:18 Grettin wrote: There is no way the Horde army in Darkshore does not know the Horde rained fire upon the tree after breaking the army defending it.Seemingly okay with what exactly? The invasion to "protect" Hordes interests or the burning of the tree? There's only one leader who sees that the tree is burning that we know of, excluding Sylvanas. Even Nathanos seemed to be surprised by the order to burn it down. This isn't protecting Horde interests in Kalimdor, this is mass murder of civilians. This is the allies dropping a 3e nuke on Japan AFTER the Japanese surrendered just to really rub it in. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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Grettin
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On August 01 2018 02:32 Gorsameth wrote: There is no way the Horde army in Darkshore does not know the Horde rained fire upon the tree after breaking the army defending it. Well no shit. The whole city is on fire now. As i said earlier, how many of them knew for sure, Sylvanas was going to burn the tree in the first place, considering what we just saw in the cinematic? Also, there was only one other leader and whatever army she had with her when the order took place. It's clearly impulsively given out order by Sylvanas. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
Ffs... Taurens are such a bullshit race lorewise anyway... Wannabe tree hugging cow elves.. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On August 01 2018 03:05 Velr wrote: Let the horde be evil. Let the Taurens go alliance and it wouldn't even be that big of a stretch. Thrall was an accident. Ffs... Taurens are such a bullshit race lorewise anyway... Wannabe tree hugging cow elves.. Humm good, point. This thing Blizz is doing trying to make the point that you can't label an entire group as one thing because it is made up of individuals is pretty BS. And the thing they are doing with Individuals changing over time, as they learn new things and have new experiences? *gag* More generic good vs evil stories plz + Show Spoiler + this is obviously sarcasm but I will point it out anyways since some people can't tell | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 01 2018 03:42 Tictock wrote: Humm good, point. This thing Blizz is doing trying to make the point that you can't label an entire group as one thing because it is made up of individuals is pretty BS. And the thing they are doing with Individuals changing over time, as they learn new things and have new experiences? *gag* More generic good vs evil stories plz + Show Spoiler + this is obviously sarcasm but I will point it out anyways since some people can't tell Honestly I would not have recognized that as sarcasm since so many have been complaining about the whole "morally grey" thing. Also I would say stories showing how you can't label an entire group and people changing are the generic ones these days. Moral relativity has become a very mainstream thing. Which is why I think Blizzard is actually taking a surprising risk by being that definitive with one side being clearly wrong. In a way that is impressive to me. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Which is why I think Blizzard is actually taking a surprising risk by being that definitive with one side being clearly wrong. In a way that is impressive to me. Sure it is, my question is why they try to paint it as a both sides are wrong / morally grey / matter of opinion thing when anduin is a carebear and sylvanas is literally hitler | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 01 2018 04:18 Cyro wrote: Sure it is, my question is why they try to paint it as a both sides are wrong / morally grey / matter of opinion thing when anduin is a carebear and sylvanas is literally hitler Yeah I dont get the dev communication either. Maybe they wanted to keep people guessing, maybe they will again make some kind of horde redemption story as with Garrosh, which would be lame. Many seem to think that Sylvanas will become a raid boss and she will just be disposed of. Though I wonder how the undead faction could ever work without Sylvanas. She is not some upstart like Garrosh, she has been there since the beginning. From what I can gather people in general dont seem to know where this leads, which is at least one good thing no matter how you see the rest. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Sylvanas Windrunner leads the Horde to victory, but a chance encounter causes her to make a decision that will forever change the course of history on Azeroth. What a joke, Sylvanas as a character is just ruined. At least Arthas had some goal when he leveled Silvermoon and he was already pretty much pure evil by then. Sylvanas just went on a random genocide. So Sylvanas is now worse than cursed death knight Arthas. But still the leader of the tauren,trolls and blood elves? The nightborne? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On August 01 2018 04:18 Cyro wrote: They thought they had a cool story to unveil to the players who then proceeded to guess the plot 5 seconds into the movie ("The Tree burns down", "I bet Sylvanas does it") and in a panic the devs try to steer people's attention away by dropping vague hints.Sure it is, my question is why they try to paint it as a both sides are wrong / morally grey / matter of opinion thing when anduin is a carebear and sylvanas is literally hitler But then when their bullshit is revealed to be bullshit it just makes the disappointment all the bigger. Also we already did the "Horde Warchief turns evil" in MoP. And yes, Sylvanas doing it in a fit of rage because a dying Nelf felt sorry for her really doesn't make it better. At all... | ||
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
Now we have an understandable reason instead a fit of rage. Additionaly Saurfang's quest for honour is the trigger for the war and stands in contrast to Sylvanas pragmatism. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On August 01 2018 05:29 maze. wrote: There are many ways to handle the situations better. For example, Sylvanas decides to burn the tree to crush the spirit of the Alliance, because Saurfang let Malfurion escape. The original goal was to kill Malfurion before the NE fleet could return. Now we have an understandable reason instead a fit of rage. Additionaly Saurfang's quest for honour is the trigger for the war and stands in contrast to Sylvanas pragmatism. Yeah this is a cool alternative lol. Such minor changes that go a long way narratively. Sylvanas always felt like the "cold and calculating" leader. Looking for alternative strategies when her original goes south, especially if it was undermined by someone just below her in the chain of command (further incentivizing her to get extra vicious by destroying the whole tree+everything, show of force keeping her own followers in check in addition to big damage to the opposition). Stuff that's just a tiny bit more in line with the character she's had up til now...? The Sylvanas from the cinematic just seems desperate. I'm fine with her becoming a "villain" in the long run but they could/should do wayyyy more interesting things with it. So far off to a rocky start lol. | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
know what might be the story of Saurfang early on and what happens during Battle for Lordaeron. Changes a lot what we've seen today. | ||
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