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United States12244 Posts
On January 03 2014 15:42 Penecks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 10:29 Laserist wrote:
There is no source that colors indicates MMR or something. Share if you have or don't spread false information. I am dealing with enough bullshit in the games already. Isn't true though? If you watch a high rated solo queue stream, they are always the blue or pink player. Just don't let brown or oj go mid and you're golden.
See, that's the mentality that poisoned HoN. People at 1900 would say "you're only 1850, you don't get to mid" when there's such little difference between 50 points (that's what, 3 games' worth?) that it really doesn't matter. Even if the brown/orange player is the lowest on the team (and in the case of stacks that's not necessarily the case), often the gap is so tiny that it's not worth relegating player colors to certain roles.
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wat the fuck lol colors mean nothing in dota to begin with other then party order
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Nope, blue is host so he's good. Everyone else probably has no idea.
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I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always amazes me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random.
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Back when you could see everyone's mmr it was easy to tell. Outside of stacks it's always in order.
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On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random.
I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right.
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On January 03 2014 22:53 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random. I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right.
Until I see a note from someone like CyborgMatt or Valve on the subject, it is all myth, sorcery and internet bullshit. There is no reason to put people in order by MMR and there is no evidence to support it that I have seen.
And you should really stop assuming how much people know or don't know about a subject. Its a bad habit that a lot of kids have.
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On January 03 2014 22:53 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random. I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right.
He's right though, I thought this thread died, but then somebody had to pop up with some ridiculous baseless idea again. Apparently people feel insecure without understanding?
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the blue/brown thing happened more than once to me so its probably right
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On January 03 2014 23:14 makmeatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 22:53 kollin wrote:On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random. I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right. He's right though, I thought this thread died, but then somebody had to pop up with some ridiculous baseless idea again. Apparently people feel insecure without understanding?
Its like the myth that Valve will saddle you with shitty players in an effort to end your winning streak. It is just shit people make up because its sounds slightly plausible and it makes sure their losses are not their fault. Like Valve is sitting there going :
"And if they go on a winning streak, rather than put them against harder and harder opponents, we will just give them terrible players to end their streak. Because we don't want them to feel like lost to really talented opponents. Its way better if they lose because their teammates are terrible. I see no problems with this new system."
People like to make up insane shit on the internet and then it somehow becomes fact because enough people said it enough times.
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On January 03 2014 23:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 22:53 kollin wrote:On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random. I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right. Until I see a note from someone like CyborgMatt or Valve on the subject, it is all myth, sorcery and internet bullshit. There is no reason to put people in order by MMR and there is no evidence to support it that I have seen. And you should really stop assuming how much people know or don't know about a subject. Its a bad habit that a lot of kids have.
There's a decent amount of circumstantial evidence that's very, very easy to find if you look for it. And don't you fucking dare use the 'you're just a kid you don't know shit anyway'. It's the most obnoxious, degrading, baseless argument that boils down to you knowing you're wrong and clawing at ways to make yourself still feel superior.
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On January 03 2014 23:32 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 23:04 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 22:53 kollin wrote:On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random. I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right. Until I see a note from someone like CyborgMatt or Valve on the subject, it is all myth, sorcery and internet bullshit. There is no reason to put people in order by MMR and there is no evidence to support it that I have seen. And you should really stop assuming how much people know or don't know about a subject. Its a bad habit that a lot of kids have. There's a decent amount of circumstantial evidence that's very, very easy to find if you look for it. And don't you fucking dare use the 'you're just a kid you don't know shit anyway'. It's the most obnoxious, degrading, baseless argument that boils down to you knowing you're wrong and clawing at ways to make yourself still feel superior.
Kollin, you know I work in law and circumstantial evidence is not admissible. I deal in facts and statements from people who know what they are talking about. Until someone who matters comes out and says "color = mmr" I don't care how may redditers post screen shots of games as "proof".
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I've no idea you work in law but okay. It's not about screenshots from redditors, or even being able to make you believe it beyond reasonable doubt it's just that from the evidence I've seen on various forums it looks very likely that they order MMR based on colour, unless there's a stack on your team.
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On January 03 2014 23:32 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 23:04 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 22:53 kollin wrote:On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random. I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right. Until I see a note from someone like CyborgMatt or Valve on the subject, it is all myth, sorcery and internet bullshit. There is no reason to put people in order by MMR and there is no evidence to support it that I have seen. And you should really stop assuming how much people know or don't know about a subject. Its a bad habit that a lot of kids have. There's a decent amount of circumstantial evidence that's very, very easy to find if you look for it. And don't you fucking dare use the 'you're just a kid you don't know shit anyway'. It's the most obnoxious, degrading, baseless argument that boils down to you knowing you're wrong and clawing at ways to make yourself still feel superior.
Even though the language is obnoxious, he is right. Neither Valve nor Cmatt didn't claim any relation with color and skill afaik. We expect a solid proof rather than he said she said.
Even if the relation is there, probably there wouldn't be enough skill difference between players to force brown/orange player to go support or some other bs.
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On January 03 2014 23:50 Laserist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 23:32 kollin wrote:On January 03 2014 23:04 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 22:53 kollin wrote:On January 03 2014 21:17 Plansix wrote:
I love the myths that pop up around ranked match making, real or otherwise. People reading into what order people are placed in and using that as proof of something. It always me how quickly people just assume things when it all could just be completely random. I love how quickly you come to your own conclusions despite not really knowing anything about the topic at hand and therefore not having any evidence for or against. Just being positive for the sake of being positive is useless if you're not actually right. Until I see a note from someone like CyborgMatt or Valve on the subject, it is all myth, sorcery and internet bullshit. There is no reason to put people in order by MMR and there is no evidence to support it that I have seen. And you should really stop assuming how much people know or don't know about a subject. Its a bad habit that a lot of kids have. There's a decent amount of circumstantial evidence that's very, very easy to find if you look for it. And don't you fucking dare use the 'you're just a kid you don't know shit anyway'. It's the most obnoxious, degrading, baseless argument that boils down to you knowing you're wrong and clawing at ways to make yourself still feel superior. Even though the language is obnoxious, he is right. Neither Valve nor Cmatt didn't claim any relation with color and skill afaik. We expect a solid proof rather than he said she said. Even if the relation is there, probably there wouldn't be enough skill difference between players to force brown/orange player to go support or some other bs.
The language was obnoxious because Kollin likes to call me out for what he feels is being "overly positive" and "jumping to conclusions". He's my little TL dota stalker.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Eh, I've seen enough people I trust mention it here, so I'm going to believe it. I think it might not be intentional from Valve and I wouldn't be surprised if it got shadow-patches soon. It shouldn't be hard for Valve to just shuffle the players at the start of a match.
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Requiring "admissable evidence" on TL must be a joke. Who cares if a court of law wouldn't accept it. This is something tbat should be fairly obvious to see with only a few games, if it exists. If colors are random, even one game where the 5 players are ordered is unlikely. Not believing anything unless an official source is about as silly as believing in anything that helps your bias, like Elo hell belivers. You can think for yourself.
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I've actually been in a game where I was second slot and the pink guy on my team had less MMR than me (only 6 points). I was solo and he must've been too since he was pink and I was 2nd slot.
I made a post about it at the time, somewhere in GD or the ranked matchmaking thread idk. No screenshot evidence sadly.
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On January 04 2014 00:06 SKC wrote:
Requiring "admissable evidence" on TL must be a joke. Who cares if a court of law wouldn't accept it. This is something tbat should be fairly obvious to see with only a few games, if it exists. If colors are random, even one game where the 5 players are ordered is unlikely. Not believing anything unless an official source is about as silly as believing in anything that helps your bias, like Elo hell belivers. You can think for yourself.
I did. Watch this. I don't believe the random posts on the internet about it with zero evidence to back it up. MMR is hidden unless you are friends with the player, so it is hard to to tell other players MMR in solo cue and when you are in a stack, it does not put in in order of MMR.
Until I see evidence that isn't "I played a game and we were all in order. Its real guys," I don't think its true and its one of those myths. I am happy to be proven wrong, but people have to put more effort in than "No man, its real."
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On January 04 2014 00:08 Laurens wrote:
I've actually been in a game where I was second slot and the pink guy on my team had less MMR than me (only 6 points). I was solo and he must've been too since he was pink and I was 2nd slot.
I made a post about it at the time, somewhere in GD or the ranked matchmaking thread idk. No screenshot evidence sadly.
Sorry, without a ss your post is useless in the court of TL.
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