Ranked matchmaking coming to Dota 2 - Page 83

On January 03 2014 02:44 TheYango wrote:

Why would a fresh start matter? Do you believe there's some significant portion of the playerbase that's so grossly misrepresented by their normal MMR that a series of high-uncertainty games starting from their current normal MMR would not correct for that?

By and large, I'm pretty sure most people are closer to their normal MMR than they are to 0.

On January 03 2014 02:45 kollin wrote:

I'm pretty sure BlitzerSC would believe something like that,

On January 03 2014 03:25 Steveling wrote:
Dudes relax, mmr working as intended.

I have played many games with some people here, more or less everyone on the same skill range, yet one has >5k mmr and someone else has 3.9k.
The difference between them, and I can tell cause I know these guys, is that the 5k always plays to win, while the 3k dude is a joker.
Volvo's algorithm can't magically gauge your level and go "oh you were just messing around with blink+force potm, I will not detract points, you still rock man".
Also, do you really work for your team? Like do you pick support after 3 carry picks, obs, tp to countergank etc?
If you pick the 5th in a row carry, even if you somehow end up with 5:1 kd ratio and you lose, you are the one to blame and you will get lower mmr.
You have to tryhard, there's a reason people like ee are above people like dendi in points.

On January 03 2014 03:31 BlitzerSC wrote:
Why would you not allow a fresh start for everyone the first time you implement a visible ranking system ?

On January 03 2014 03:56 tpmraven wrote:
I have two accounts that have a visible MMR

My first account or "main" has over 1.3k games played and felt very stagnant before visible ranking came into play. I would go to sites that show the bracket you play in and it would say 99% of my games are in normal. This account was my first ever account to play dota 2, and i had zero dota 1 experience. I also ONLY solo Q. i took this account from 20 wins under 500 to 20 wins over 500. My MMR is currently 3460.

I have another account, i made it one day because my main was on a 13 game win streak. I started only using this account for about 2 months because i was to lazy to switch steam accounts. It jumped up very fast and the tracking web sites said something very interesting. The sites told me that 90% of my games are in High, a feat that no matter how much i played on my "Main" I could'nt seem to reach. This account became my "Main" for a number of months because it was a much better indicator of my real skill and produced much better games. current MMR 4100

A 500 MMR disparity. Its sad too, that i quit playing my Higher ranked account for about 3 months before the ranking system came out because i wanted to use my main account that had all my items. So unless i somehow became much worse with more practice, the system isn't perfect.

I think its much to hard to raise your MMR once you have played a lot of games. I solo Q and the chances that you single handedly win games are are not as common as the system believes. in a world where most people float around 50-55% win rates after 1k games played... how can you travel up the ladder, very very slowly, that's how.

On January 03 2014 04:21 sninja wrote:


I'm not responding to your whole post but rather only to what you wrote in the end = it indeed is very hard to raise your mmr but it's doable. I've always been a decent player (at least that's what I think and some of my friends who are at 4,5k+) but I've been given a mmr rank of 3300 after calibration matches (mostly because I like to play with my friends who are like 2,5k mmr which resulted in lots of loses, but I was having fun and that was what I had wanted all along) Lately I've decided that 3,3k mmr is quite bloody pathetic and that it was time to climb up a bit so I started try-harding a bit like taking the captain role, playing my best heroes instead like mirana instead of going 'for fun builds' like triple battle fury with ember spirit and so far in a span of approx. 2 weeks I've managed to get from 3300 up to 3800 so in the end going up is possible but the system is stupid because if u want to get a higher rank you have to try hard all the time and I really mean ALL THE TIME. I just hope that volvo does some slight changes to how mmr gain/loss works because how it works now is just slightly awkward and I don't really want to play my best 3-4 heroes for the next 2 months to get to 4,5+ mmr only because when I play pure supports I get a team full of idiots who don't know how to last hit on a total safe lane, how to farm properly in jungle etc. and carrying a team with sth like dazzle is impossibru :/

On January 03 2014 02:44 TheYango wrote:

Why would a fresh start matter? Do you believe there's some significant portion of the playerbase that's so grossly misrepresented by their normal MMR that a series of high-uncertainty games starting from their current normal MMR would not correct for that?

By and large, I'm pretty sure most people are closer to their normal MMR than they are to 0.

On January 03 2014 07:23 Najda wrote:


On the other end, why, if the matchmaking system was working as intended, do we have to go through a series of high-uncertainty games? If someone has a couple bad games in a row they could end up significantly lower than where they actually belong.

On January 03 2014 07:32 Alur wrote:

Because people who haven't taken unranked seriously need a chance to get closer to their real MMR.

On January 03 2014 03:11 CNLL wrote:
Why are people trying to justify the matchmaking? I really dont get it.

It's obvious that the MMR ratings of many people are wrong, either because they got carried by parties in normal matchmaking or because they just abuse dumb/retard-proof heroes (in pubs) like slark/furion/etc.

Also they MMR range in games is just ridicolous. You can have a 1k MMR disparity in a game with blue being 5500 and the orange being 4400-4500, how's that even possible?

The system just wants you to lose sometimes and no matter how good you play u just cant win.

(5400MMR by playing random every game and repicking into supports if needed, this is the source)

On January 03 2014 07:52 -FmP- wrote:


I can vouch for this...in non-party games blue/pink are very likely to be the highest mmr in the game..and once you get around the mid 5k range the disparity between blue-orange can be simply stupid..

On January 03 2014 07:45 TheYango wrote:

Or alternatively, people who stacked a lot in unranked need to be adjusted to their appropriate solo rating.

On January 03 2014 07:52 -FmP- wrote:


I can vouch for this...in non-party games blue/pink are very likely to be the highest mmr in the game..and once you get around the mid 5k range the disparity between blue-orange can be simply stupid..

On January 03 2014 08:54 cecek wrote:
Don't parties screw with that? Players in a party are always next to each other no matter if they're the first and second best player, for example.