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Please keep the QQ to a minimum if you do not like this update. We are happy to hear your reasoning for not liking a ranked system, but no "OMG VOLVO WHY" posts.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 02 2014 13:45 GMT
#1621
He didnt even consider that, so you're welcome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
January 02 2014 13:48 GMT
#1622
Telling everyone that they're bad gets pretty repetitive though. We should just have the mod note say. "If you have a low rating and you can't raise it within 50 games, you're bad." n_n
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
January 02 2014 14:13 GMT
#1623
I was at 3900 2 days ago, today I'm at 3700. It was a bad night :p One day I will figure out why Sc2 and Dota's ladder are mostly made of streaks.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 02 2014 14:42 GMT
#1624
Maybe it's a question of moral, if your moral is high you're more likely to win but if you feel depressed the opposite is true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 16:33:11
January 02 2014 15:14 GMT
#1625
I lost 250 points in 4 days, dropped from 4050 to 3800. Currently hanging on 3830, waiting for my win streak kicks in.
Yeah I noticed when you are positive, games are better. But it is so hard for me to keep calm with some team mates. I am too old to nurse fundamentally bad players.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
January 02 2014 16:21 GMT
#1626
On January 02 2014 23:13 Gevna wrote:
I was at 3900 2 days ago, today I'm at 3700. It was a bad night :p One day I will figure out why Sc2 and Dota's ladder are mostly made of streaks.


Uh, one answer is pretty obvious: You don't consistently play at the same level.

When I play sleep-deprived I often go on long losing streaks; when I play rested I often go on win streaks.
It has nothing to do with match-making beyond the fact that a win streak is easier to obtain if following a losing streak (since your MMR will be lower).

And as others said there's a self-reinforcing part: I often play pretty haphazardly after losing a few games in a row.
swedewannabe
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden28 Posts
January 02 2014 16:51 GMT
#1627
On January 02 2014 23:42 Erasme wrote:
Maybe it's a question of moral, if your moral is high you're more likely to win but if you feel depressed the opposite is true


For future reference, it's morale not moral lol. Having a positive attitude and ignoring the downers is the way to go.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 17:00:54
January 02 2014 16:51 GMT
#1628
On December 31 2013 23:46 SS.Shark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 23:36 MotherOfRunes wrote:
On December 31 2013 23:30 SS.Shark wrote:
This MMR is the biggest joke IMO. How can you match people with 200 wins (so probably less than 500 matches overall) with people that have 700-800-900 wins (so probably around 1500 matches or more matches played). Just because your MMR is around the same does that mean you are in the same "league" ? Thats complete bs and if volvo things this is the way to make things more interesting well then, FU. Ill stick to pubs where at least you queue with people that have the same number of matches played and they know how to give a tree or what Bane's 3rd spell is doing.

how about its guys like you who have to stop BSing instead of valve?
dude come on wins MEAN NOTHING. peopple with 200 wins also could ahve 5000 games in dota 1. there are people with 1000wins in dota 2 but never have played fucking dota 1 and are still uber-scrubs. u say you go abck to pubs?? in these pubs (sidenote:ranked is still pub) THE SAME rating shit is going on in the background. how about stop whining over random stuff?


You clearly didn't read my post yet you start flaming. Are you one of those "mid or feed" ?

Let me brake it down for ya cupcake :

1. In pubs you get to queue with people who have a similar NUMBER OF MATCHES PLAYED where a very realistic expectation is that people have a better understanding of farming, split pushing, different roles, warding, counter warding, etc

2. Dota1 is not Dota2 and viceversa. Period. So having 1023912039102 games in DOTA1 doesnt mean automatically you'll be as skilled or as experienced or as versed in DOTA2 as you were in DOTA1. It just doesnt work that way.

3. Random stuff ? This aint the weather outside we're talking about.

4. Number of wins (or matches as I used that in brackets) were just to give a perspective of the things that are happening since this MMR kicked in. Could've used losses, would that have made a difference ? No.



I have more games than DK.Burning. According to your logic, I'm better than him. Seriously wake up and smell the fresh coffee. Valve's rating system does not lie. It gives you a rating based on how well you are doing versus the population. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Number of games means absolute shit. People that have been playing DotA 1 forever have a massive advantage over those who just started playing DotA 2, mostly in the fact that they know how to react to certain situations, how to position in fights, etc.

On January 02 2014 23:42 Erasme wrote:
Maybe it's a question of moral, if your moral is high you're more likely to win but if you feel depressed the opposite is true


You can still lose games fairly easily even in the 5k range just because of bad luck on picks and ragers. Shit happens. Just keep playing at a consistent level, and you will eventually move up. That or be a huge nerd and pick Earth Spirit every game.
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
January 02 2014 17:06 GMT
#1629
On January 02 2014 22:21 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
KDA etc plays a huge role during placement matches as your uncertainty is bumped up artificially. Don't play support during placement if you want a good rating. (Unless they've changed this since when uncertainty was visible)

Even if that's the case it would be really stupid not to judge the kda based on the role you play.
swedewannabe
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden28 Posts
January 02 2014 17:11 GMT
#1630
Valve mislead with saying your performance will make a difference in mmr, as far as I can tell it's still only based on win/loss, you could go 23-0 and gain 24 points and go 0-15 and lose 23. mmr change is pretty much only base on mmr difference between teams.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
January 02 2014 17:15 GMT
#1631
Beside win/loss, all are marginally matters. Stomp lane, build shitty troll items, kill more but then lose to a 5 man death push doesn't give you any points even if your KDA would be pretty good.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 02 2014 17:28 GMT
#1632
On January 03 2014 02:11 swedewannabe wrote:
Valve mislead with saying your performance will make a difference in mmr, as far as I can tell it's still only based on win/loss, you could go 23-0 and gain 24 points and go 0-15 and lose 23. mmr change is pretty much only base on mmr difference between teams.

They said it makes a difference when uncertainty is high, which only really happens during placement matches and on fresh accounts.

If you're at the point where MMR gains are +/- 23-25 then your uncertainty is low enough for performance to have very little impact.
Moderator
swedewannabe
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden28 Posts
January 02 2014 17:35 GMT
#1633
Ahhh I see, should've picked more semi carries during placement instead of supporting then.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
January 02 2014 17:37 GMT
#1634
KDA doesn't mean jack shit with this system. The only important thing is if you win or not.
Calibration matches were pretty pointless too since nobody got a fresh start.
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
January 02 2014 17:38 GMT
#1635
On January 03 2014 02:35 swedewannabe wrote:
Ahhh I see, should've picked more semi carries during placement instead of supporting then.

Again, I think it depends on the role/hero you play. It would be way too stupid if the kda on a CM is judged the same as on Storm for example.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 17:44:42
January 02 2014 17:44 GMT
#1636
On January 03 2014 02:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
KDA doesn't mean jack shit with this system. The only important thing is if you win or not.
Calibration matches were pretty pointless too since nobody got a fresh start.

Why would a fresh start matter? Do you believe there's some significant portion of the playerbase that's so grossly misrepresented by their normal MMR that a series of high-uncertainty games starting from their current normal MMR would not correct for that?

By and large, I'm pretty sure most people are closer to their normal MMR than they are to 0.
Moderator
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
January 02 2014 17:45 GMT
#1637
On January 03 2014 02:44 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 02:37 BlitzerSC wrote:
KDA doesn't mean jack shit with this system. The only important thing is if you win or not.
Calibration matches were pretty pointless too since nobody got a fresh start.

Why would a fresh start matter? Do you believe there's some significant portion of the playerbase that's so grossly misrepresented by their normal MMR that a series of high-uncertainty games starting from their current normal MMR would not correct for that?

By and large, I'm pretty sure most people are closer to their normal MMR than they are to 0.

I'm pretty sure BlitzerSC would believe something like that,
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 17:53:40
January 02 2014 17:52 GMT
#1638
I mean, even if you believe there's fundamentally something wrong with the matchmaking algorithm that makes it so that someone is misrepresented by their MMR, then how does a fresh start solve this? If someone being over/underrepresented by 600-700 rating cannot be corrected over placement games, how does starting them 2000 rating from their appropriate MMR help?
Moderator
CNLL
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy75 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 18:12:44
January 02 2014 18:11 GMT
#1639
Why are people trying to justify the matchmaking? I really dont get it.

It's obvious that the MMR ratings of many people are wrong, either because they got carried by parties in normal matchmaking or because they just abuse dumb/retard-proof heroes (in pubs) like slark/furion/etc.

Also they MMR range in games is just ridicolous. You can have a 1k MMR disparity in a game with blue being 5500 and the orange being 4400-4500, how's that even possible?

The system just wants you to lose sometimes and no matter how good you play u just cant win.

(5400MMR by playing random every game and repicking into supports if needed, this is the source)
Life is life
swedewannabe
Profile Joined December 2013
Sweden28 Posts
January 02 2014 18:16 GMT
#1640
Where is the source that saids that color is now determined by mmr? I personally think most peoples mmr is pretty accurate and even those who are off by a couple hundred will where they belong in a couple dozen games.
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