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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On December 09 2013 08:51 Sunaj wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2013 08:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I dont have any problems with the hit. the hit is fine. when you deliver that kind of hit though, you dont shy away from the guy who comes to defend his teammate. Hitting people like that isnt free. that was basically Maxim Lapierresque. No, fighting is fucking retarded and this whole idea that you need to fight for making a clean play is just as retarded. If your guy gets hit, play the game and either A) win, which the Bruins did or B) try to lay a licking *cleanly* on someone, not drop the gloves and mug a guy. And if you want do away with cheapshots, the league should actually grow some balls and deal out harsh suspensions/fines. Not this slap on the wrist stuff. Seriously, the garbage Thornton pulled is so close to what Bertuzzi did that if he doesn't get an equal punishment, I just don't know. Unfortunately there has been more then a few incidents similar to the Bertuzzi thing. The only reason he got hit with a harsh sentence was because of the injury (which was more or less bad luck because of the angle he hit the ice). No place in the game for those types of plays and the league needs to really come down on these assholes because it makes the sport look bad and hurts people. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On December 09 2013 08:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I dont have any problems with the hit. the hit is fine. when you deliver that kind of hit though, you dont shy away from the guy who comes to defend his teammate. Hitting people like that isnt free. that was basically Maxim Lapierresque. "The Code" is an anachronism from a different era of hockey. Legal hits in the current should not necessitate fighting. I do not understand the view you are putting forward. I agree in some ways that teammates should stick up for eachother and play hard, but forcing a guy to fight makes no sense. These guys are multi-millionaire professionals, the only dudes who believe in that "code" are goons who think that the only way they keep a job is by being a goon. If the league suspends (for more than just a game or two) players for behavior along that line, then you will see a reduction in goonery. Injuries are so intense these days because the game is faster than ever and the players are bigger than ever. | ||
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 09 2013 08:51 Sunaj wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 09 2013 08:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I dont have any problems with the hit. the hit is fine. when you deliver that kind of hit though, you dont shy away from the guy who comes to defend his teammate. Hitting people like that isnt free. that was basically Maxim Lapierresque. No, fighting is fucking retarded and this whole idea that you need to fight for making a clean play is just as retarded. If your guy gets hit, play the game and either A) win, which the Bruins did or B) try to lay a licking *cleanly* on someone, not drop the gloves and mug a guy. And if you want do away with cheapshots, the league should actually grow some balls and deal out harsh suspensions/fines. Not this slap on the wrist stuff. Seriously, the garbage Thornton pulled is so close to what Bertuzzi did that if he doesn't get an equal punishment, I just don't know. It's the same old arguments from the same people, but instead of going in circles let's pretend I entertain your idea of steeper fines. How much would you take out of their wallets? On December 10 2013 03:25 xDaunt wrote: I'm at the point where I'm ready to see fighting taken out of the game. It doesn't improve the game. Though it's entertaining, it certainly isn't worth the trouble that it fosters. It's funny you say this when the response from the player's in that situation shows what happens when players don't air it out. It was a big hit that started the whole thing. It sucks when a skilled player bangs his head on the ice after something like that, but every player knows they will be held accountable for what happens on the ice and when you have the adrenaline pumping. They're going to be fired up. It's not like players are dumb. Even when fighting isn't allowed kids try to get away with all types of dirty shenanigans and they're chuckling all the way to the box. -___- | ||
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ii.blitzkrieg
Canada1122 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 10 2013 03:32 StarStruck wrote: It's the same old arguments from the same people, but instead of going in circles let's pretend I entertain your idea of steeper fines. How much would you take out of their wallets? There's no reason why the NHL couldn't implement a system like what the NFL has where players' action during games are continuously reviewed for disciplinary purposes and to liberally fine players for all of the gratuitous shenanigans that go on. Dishing out $10k - 30k fines (and sometimes more) like candy works in football, so I don't see why it wouldn't work in hockey. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2013 03:40 xDaunt wrote: There's no reason why the NHL couldn't implement a system like what the NFL has where players' action during games are continuously reviewed for disciplinary purposes and to liberally fine players for all of the gratuitous shenanigans that go on. Dishing out $10k - 30k fines (and sometimes more) like candy works in football, so I don't see why it wouldn't work in hockey. Because it doesn't work. Those NFL fines are pretty weak and players still try to get away with shit. | ||
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Intact
Sweden634 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
On December 10 2013 03:05 turamn wrote: 5 games for Neal knee to Marchand. Max allowed in his situation. Don't believe that Thorton's hearing is until tomorrow. He should have gotten 10 for that. Real disappointed that he got a phone call. Thornton's was a bonehead play, but at least that could be a heat of the moment sticking up for a teammate thing. Neal was just being a chickenshit asshole. Also, let's keep the 10 iteration of the fighting debate out of the thread. It's the same shit every time and there's nothing new to talk about. If anything, make a new one to pollute the rest of the forum with more hockey. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 10 2013 03:55 StarStruck wrote: Because it doesn't work. Those NFL fines are pretty weak and players still try to get away with shit. It'll work if you make the punishment severe enough. Start handing out suspensions for that shit and it will catch players' attention. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On December 10 2013 04:58 QuanticHawk wrote: He should have gotten 10 for that. Real disappointed that he got a phone call. Thornton's was a bonehead play, but at least that could be a heat of the moment sticking up for a teammate thing. Neal was just being a chickenshit asshole. Also, let's keep the 10 iteration of the fighting debate out of the thread. It's the same shit every time and there's nothing new to talk about. If anything, make a new one to pollute the rest of the forum with more hockey. I agree, but I believe that the fact that he wasn't considered a repeat offender by the NHL rules ( time period "erased" prior transgressions ) saved his ass on that one. Still, I found the quote from Shanahan saying that, " Neal's prior actions could not be ignored ", interesting. I feel like if Shanny could have suspended him for more than five games without bending the rules, he would have. I truly hope and quite honestly expect the NHL to take a look at their discipline guidelines this off-season in an effort to make the system more reasonable/effective. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/12/09/sebastien-courcelles-victime-dune-grave-coupure-a-la-joue OH MY GODDDDD | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On December 10 2013 10:07 QuanticHawk wrote: I don't think he was ever suspended before? That shit vs the Flyers was last year http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/12/09/sebastien-courcelles-victime-dune-grave-coupure-a-la-joue OH MY GODDDDD heard it on the radio this morning. the way they described it was so gruesome compared to that pic. they talked about 1.5 inch width at its largest and I was like yeewww this is a semi-pro league and the guys make like a few hundred bucks a game. I dont know anymore but that league used to be pretty popular because there would be a bunch of fights every game. The goons were the show. I remember once I went to see a game between the local team and the Laval chiefs (same chiefs as in slapshot movies) and the 1st period lasted like 2 hours ( not even exagerating ). wow that guy had 46 pts in 40 games last year and 195 PIM. I guess LNAH is still a thug league. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On December 10 2013 04:58 QuanticHawk wrote: He should have gotten 10 for that. Real disappointed that he got a phone call. Thornton's was a bonehead play, but at least that could be a heat of the moment sticking up for a teammate thing. Neal was just being a chickenshit asshole. Also, let's keep the 10 iteration of the fighting debate out of the thread. It's the same shit every time and there's nothing new to talk about. If anything, make a new one to pollute the rest of the forum with more hockey. You can't be serious. Are you trying to make Thornton's play out to be the less offensive one? He came from behind, threw a guy down onto the ice, and then beat his face into the ice until he needed to be taken off on a stretcher. Thornton is a fucking disgrace to this game and needs to be banned for the rest of the season. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 10 2013 15:10 Stratos_speAr wrote: You can't be serious. Are you trying to make Thornton's play out to be the less offensive one? He came from behind, threw a guy down onto the ice, and then beat his face into the ice until he needed to be taken off on a stretcher. Thornton is a fucking disgrace to this game and needs to be banned for the rest of the season. I acctually think Neals actions are worse. He changed directions to drive his knee into a players head that was on the ice and never knew he was coming. Had that player been knocked out cold I'd wager Neal gets a longer suspension then Thorton will get. But the guy never missed a shift. Neither has any place at all in hockey though and both should carry very very long suspensions. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32113 Posts
Neal's is more chickenshit imo because he has a history of head hunting, and did it to an unsuspecting player on the ground. Thornton at least tried to fight him heads up at first. Doesn't excuse mugging him like that, but yeah. I just really dislike James Neal. | ||
Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
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