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On October 13 2013 10:56 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 10:48 xDaunt wrote:
The Oilers are absolute savants when it comes to blown defensive coverages. Even with the defensive coverage they cannot rely on the goalie to make a save. May as well gamble. Edmonton should have won that game. Dubnyk didn't make a big save when it was needed and let in a few soft ones. I though Edmontons defence was pretty good, puck pressure was excellent and they destroyed the leafs on the dot. No saves. 6 goals. 26 shots. Every game they allow 4+. Asking the forwards to put in 5 every game is way to tall a task. edit: Dubnyk should not have played that puck. Soooo dumb
The solution seems pretty clear. Trade Hall/Nugent/Eberle to Buffalo for Miller. So far Miller is playing like he wants to be the starter for the Americans but the rest of his team is a steaming pile of shit that should have caused the GM his job 2 seasons ago. So this way you give up a tad of your scoring and get a goalie who is prepared to face 50 shots a night and stop 48 of them so yall can keep playing that run and gun pond hockey because your gm should also be fired for keeping your team wholly defenseless.
In other news, Tatar sits, Kindl plays 13 minutes, Nyquist is down in the GR while Cleary still getting 14+ of play. But hey, good news, they beat one of the worst teams in the league so full steam ahead. Who needs young players and energy, we got INTANGIBLES and LEADERSHIP!
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Also, should be noted that the Leafs success/failure won't really prove anything in relation to possession stats. There can be lots of factors involved, and there's no guarantee that a team will regress to a mean. What the hell, TOR's style might even work. My feeling is that it can work to be a 11-20 type team in the league. But if you want to be top 1-10 you need to be a good possession team, To win the Cup (and TOR's new owner said he's planning the parade right?) you need to have the puck a lot.
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On October 13 2013 11:42 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 10:56 Orcasgt24 wrote:On October 13 2013 10:48 xDaunt wrote:
The Oilers are absolute savants when it comes to blown defensive coverages. Even with the defensive coverage they cannot rely on the goalie to make a save. May as well gamble. Edmonton should have won that game. Dubnyk didn't make a big save when it was needed and let in a few soft ones. I though Edmontons defence was pretty good, puck pressure was excellent and they destroyed the leafs on the dot. No saves. 6 goals. 26 shots. Every game they allow 4+. Asking the forwards to put in 5 every game is way to tall a task. edit: Dubnyk should not have played that puck. Soooo dumb The solution seems pretty clear. Trade Hall/Nugent/Eberle to Buffalo for Miller. So far Miller is playing like he wants to be the starter for the Americans but the rest of his team is a steaming pile of shit that should have caused the GM his job 2 seasons ago. So this way you give up a tad of your scoring and get a goalie who is prepared to face 50 shots a night and stop 48 of them so yall can keep playing that run and gun pond hockey because your gm should also be fired for keeping your team wholly defenseless. In other news, Tatar sits, Kindl plays 13 minutes, Nyquist is down in the GR while Cleary still getting 14+ of play. But hey, good news, they beat one of the worst teams in the league so full steam ahead. Who needs young players and energy, we got INTANGIBLES and LEADERSHIP!
DET won that game because PHI just takes too many penalties. PHI controlled even strength for much of that game. Also, EDM would be fools to make a deal with any of those guys. Miller has been fairly meh for a while now. A few games at the start of the season mean nothing.
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On October 13 2013 11:42 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 10:56 Orcasgt24 wrote:On October 13 2013 10:48 xDaunt wrote:
The Oilers are absolute savants when it comes to blown defensive coverages. Even with the defensive coverage they cannot rely on the goalie to make a save. May as well gamble. Edmonton should have won that game. Dubnyk didn't make a big save when it was needed and let in a few soft ones. I though Edmontons defence was pretty good, puck pressure was excellent and they destroyed the leafs on the dot. No saves. 6 goals. 26 shots. Every game they allow 4+. Asking the forwards to put in 5 every game is way to tall a task. edit: Dubnyk should not have played that puck. Soooo dumb The solution seems pretty clear. Trade Hall/Nugent/Eberle to Buffalo for Miller. So far Miller is playing like he wants to be the starter for the Americans but the rest of his team is a steaming pile of shit that should have caused the GM his job 2 seasons ago. So this way you give up a tad of your scoring and get a goalie who is prepared to face 50 shots a night and stop 48 of them so yall can keep playing that run and gun pond hockey because your gm should also be fired for keeping your team wholly defenseless. In other news, Tatar sits, Kindl plays 13 minutes, Nyquist is down in the GR while Cleary still getting 14+ of play. But hey, good news, they beat one of the worst teams in the league so full steam ahead. Who needs young players and energy, we got INTANGIBLES and LEADERSHIP!
MacT did a pretty good job of upgrading Edmonton's defense. The defense he inherited wasn't exactly a one year fix it up. He also did a good job of improving Edmonton in face offs. From last to 3rd is a hell of a jump. Easier to score when you have the puck.
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The thing is that the most shots the Oilers have faced all season aside from that canucsk game was the 26 the leafs shot tonight.
We've just had awful goaltending. Just absolutely awful.
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On October 13 2013 11:44 sharkeyanti wrote:
Also, should be noted that the Leafs success/failure won't really prove anything in relation to possession stats. There can be lots of factors involved, and there's no guarantee that a team will regress to a mean. What the hell, TOR's style might even work. My feeling is that it can work to be a 11-20 type team in the league. But if you want to be top 1-10 you need to be a good possession team, To win the Cup (and TOR's new owner said he's planning the parade right?) you need to have the puck a lot.
There are some things you just wishfully ignore when it comes to the new CEO of the Leafs and that's one of them. The papers just cannot get enough of the guy like Mayor he-who-must-not-be-named. >_< To the win the Cup you need a lot of things going your way and puck possession is just one of them like specialty teams, which they seem to be doing well at both ends of the ice.
On October 13 2013 11:51 iCanada wrote:
The thing is that the most shots the Oilers have faced all season aside from that canucsk game was the 26 the leafs shot tonight.
We've just had awful goaltending. Just absolutely awful.
Yep, it wasn't a pretty game from either side.
On October 13 2013 11:42 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 10:56 Orcasgt24 wrote:On October 13 2013 10:48 xDaunt wrote:
The Oilers are absolute savants when it comes to blown defensive coverages. Even with the defensive coverage they cannot rely on the goalie to make a save. May as well gamble. Edmonton should have won that game. Dubnyk didn't make a big save when it was needed and let in a few soft ones. I though Edmontons defence was pretty good, puck pressure was excellent and they destroyed the leafs on the dot. No saves. 6 goals. 26 shots. Every game they allow 4+. Asking the forwards to put in 5 every game is way to tall a task. edit: Dubnyk should not have played that puck. Soooo dumb The solution seems pretty clear. Trade Hall/Nugent/Eberle to Buffalo for Miller. So far Miller is playing like he wants to be the starter for the Americans but the rest of his team is a steaming pile of shit that should have caused the GM his job 2 seasons ago. So this way you give up a tad of your scoring and get a goalie who is prepared to face 50 shots a night and stop 48 of them so yall can keep playing that run and gun pond hockey because your gm should also be fired for keeping your team wholly defenseless. In other news, Tatar sits, Kindl plays 13 minutes, Nyquist is down in the GR while Cleary still getting 14+ of play. But hey, good news, they beat one of the worst teams in the league so full steam ahead. Who needs young players and energy, we got INTANGIBLES and LEADERSHIP!
I'm not so sure about the going rate would be on Miller atm and like you said the Oilers D is still ugly. Not only that, but their forwards don't help at all. It's a complete wreck. There's a reason why Dallas benched Nail and hopefully the rest of the team gets the memo.
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On October 13 2013 11:25 StarStruck wrote:
You just repeated what you said before and like I said there's been plenty of time to review that and I wouldn't just focus on their puck possession. That's tunnel vision man. They've been pulling this shit for a while now with the line matching, turnovers, inability to win faceoffs (albeit Bozak won the important ones in the stretch), etc. They're going to have shitty puck possession and this won't change yet they will be a playoff team anyway like last season. They have more than enough weapons to score goals and we're not just talking about the shitty Oilers. Smart ass? Please.
im not talking to you fool
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On October 13 2013 12:05 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 11:25 StarStruck wrote:
You just repeated what you said before and like I said there's been plenty of time to review that and I wouldn't just focus on their puck possession. That's tunnel vision man. They've been pulling this shit for a while now with the line matching, turnovers, inability to win faceoffs (albeit Bozak won the important ones in the stretch), etc. They're going to have shitty puck possession and this won't change yet they will be a playoff team anyway like last season. They have more than enough weapons to score goals and we're not just talking about the shitty Oilers. Smart ass? Please. im not talking to you fool
Doesn't change the fact that you were repeating yourself, no? If you want to address someone directly you might as well quote them or take it to PMs because for all I know you were fair game. :V
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On October 13 2013 11:49 sharkeyanti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 11:42 Sub40APM wrote:On October 13 2013 10:56 Orcasgt24 wrote:On October 13 2013 10:48 xDaunt wrote:
The Oilers are absolute savants when it comes to blown defensive coverages. Even with the defensive coverage they cannot rely on the goalie to make a save. May as well gamble. Edmonton should have won that game. Dubnyk didn't make a big save when it was needed and let in a few soft ones. I though Edmontons defence was pretty good, puck pressure was excellent and they destroyed the leafs on the dot. No saves. 6 goals. 26 shots. Every game they allow 4+. Asking the forwards to put in 5 every game is way to tall a task. edit: Dubnyk should not have played that puck. Soooo dumb The solution seems pretty clear. Trade Hall/Nugent/Eberle to Buffalo for Miller. So far Miller is playing like he wants to be the starter for the Americans but the rest of his team is a steaming pile of shit that should have caused the GM his job 2 seasons ago. So this way you give up a tad of your scoring and get a goalie who is prepared to face 50 shots a night and stop 48 of them so yall can keep playing that run and gun pond hockey because your gm should also be fired for keeping your team wholly defenseless. In other news, Tatar sits, Kindl plays 13 minutes, Nyquist is down in the GR while Cleary still getting 14+ of play. But hey, good news, they beat one of the worst teams in the league so full steam ahead. Who needs young players and energy, we got INTANGIBLES and LEADERSHIP! DET won that game because PHI just takes too many penalties. PHI controlled even strength for much of that game. Also, EDM would be fools to make a deal with any of those guys. Miller has been fairly meh for a while now. A few games at the start of the season mean nothing.
nah, I think Miller is playing like a guy who (a) needs a new contract b) wants to play in the Olympics. He will be good. The fact that he keeps a 950% on his shit team says volumes. And yes I agree, Wings fucking suck. I hate Babcock's prejudices and Holland's fetishes so so much. What happened to them in 2009 that caused both of them to go dumb.
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Wow....Thought I was watching Steve Smith all over again. Or maybe Jason Smith again.
If that goes down as the GWG....lol
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poor Hertl. You didnt even get a chance in this lame league of head hunting scum.
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TIL it not a penalty to punch someone in the back of the head.
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Yea that's pretty messed up, he should definitely be suspended for something like that.
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On October 14 2013 04:03 sharkeyanti wrote:
Yea that's pretty messed up, he should definitely be suspended for something like that.
No penalty in overtime, Leafs walk the other way 3 on 1 and win game in OT.
Pretty BS imo.
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Disgusting. They really need to have a coach's challenge introduced. You get to challenge one call. If you are wrong, your team goes on the PK.
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On October 13 2013 14:28 Sub40APM wrote:
poor Hertl. You didnt even get a chance in this lame league of head hunting scum.
Fortunately, it looks like he is going to be okay and able to play Tuesday against the Blues. The kid is awesome and always making plays, but he needs to learn to skate with his head up.
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On October 14 2013 04:42 Sub40APM wrote:
Disgusting. They really need to have a coach's challenge introduced. You get to challenge one call. If you are wrong, your team goes on the PK.
While the intent for that is noble, there's so much that could be subjective. In this case it's clear, but there could have been other penalties on the play or a hand pass or whatever. Something like that can be best addressed with post-game discipline, the league needs to make it clear that they will punish something akin to the punch. We've seen less boarding and cross-checking on defenseless players, but it's clear that post-game discipline does take some time to get into players' heads. Also, the hook and grab on RNH had as much to do with the turnover as the punch. The punch did not cause EDM to lose.
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On October 14 2013 04:42 Sub40APM wrote:
Disgusting. They really need to have a coach's challenge introduced. You get to challenge one call. If you are wrong, your team goes on the PK.
What was also disgusting, but not shown in the gif, is that at that moment - when Nugent-Hopkins was getting gang-banged by three Leafs at the blue-line - Justin Schultz decided to pinch in past the puck. What the shit, Schultz.
edit: And on the subject of goaltending, yes, Dubnyk has been terrible. But please, oh god please, let's not have an over-reaction that sees a significant over payment for some other team's second-best goaltender. He needs to figure something out, but after having two solid (at least 'above NHL average') seasons, I'm not quite ready to completely give up on Dubnyk yet. Yes, having a top-talent goaltender would be nice, but I think the price at this point would be far too outrageous.
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On October 14 2013 06:10 sharkeyanti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 04:42 Sub40APM wrote:
Disgusting. They really need to have a coach's challenge introduced. You get to challenge one call. If you are wrong, your team goes on the PK. While the intent for that is noble, there's so much that could be subjective. In this case it's clear, but there could have been other penalties on the play or a hand pass or whatever. Something like that can be best addressed with post-game discipline, the league needs to make it clear that they will punish something akin to the punch. We've seen less boarding and cross-checking on defenseless players, but it's clear that post-game discipline does take some time to get into players' heads. Also, the hook and grab on RNH had as much to do with the turnover as the punch. The punch did not cause EDM to lose.
The problem is, after the game action is up to Shanahan the mysterious. Giving coaches a challenge when there is a clear video review while establishing a penalty for abusing this would allow coaches to call it in only those game changing situations when a dumb call is truly dumb.
But please, oh god please, let's not have an over-reaction that sees a significant over payment for some other team's second-best goaltender. He needs to figure something out, but after having two solid (at least 'above NHL average') seasons, I'm not quite ready to completely give up on Dubnyk yet. Yes, having a top-talent goaltender would be nice, but I think the price at this point would be far too outrageous.
I wouldnt call Miller a team's second best goalie. Id say he is a pretty good goalie stuck on an awful team, but the difference that in Edmonton he'd have at least some offense to take the pressure off and generally he doenst give up boneheaded goals. And quite frankly, the 4 number 1 picks yall have havent done anything for you so you wouldnt miss one.
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All those number one picks that EDM had show how difficult finding a true generational talent is. Hall, RNH, and Yakupov should all be at the very least top line producers in a few years time. Even look at PIT when they had Crosby and Malkin, who are probably the two best forwards drafted in the past 15 years. It took them 4 years to really make things work, and they were putting up 100+ points. EDM's young core will begin to produce, the growing pains are tough.
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