youd have to be a pretty optimistic fan as a Flyer fan this year. Steve Mason? Streit and Timonen as your two best d men? At the cap without really understanding how you got there? If I were you I'd be getting ready for being a top 3 draft team. Which is actually good for you in the long term, the Wings will be just mediocre enough to get into the playoffs as a 7th seed before getting squashed if Howard has an off night or two thanks to Holland and his obsession with old men and Babcock and his obsession with Cleary.

We've sparred over this a bit before. Only the abilities of Steve Mason worry me, but if he can be league-average I'm happy. PHI will always be up against the cap, and will have room moving forward. There are quite a few teams who are significantly worse than the Flyers on paper. When PHI was the worst team in the league in 2006-7, they had guys like Geoff Sanderson, Kyle Calder, Mike York, Randy Jones, and Niko Dimitrakos taking up much of the ice time. What we have now is an incredible group of forwards with a defense that has capable players. This team is far from the bottom 3, and should at least be an 8 seed.

Again, goaltending is a question, but many teams have showed that you don't need a great goalie to win, just league average.

Dknight

United States5223 Posts

October 03 2013 12:27 GMT

#483

Need one more for the TL Fantasy Hockey league. Buy-in is $10 paypal, draft would be this Sunday at 19:30 EST. PM me if you're interested!

Flaccid

8898 Posts

October 03 2013 14:50 GMT

#484

On October 03 2013 11:46 CygNus X-1 wrote:
Reimer and Bernier won those games for TOR otherwise they would be 0-2. Thank god for our goalies!

Bernier looked damn fine last night, good on him.

Flaccid

8898 Posts

October 03 2013 14:58 GMT

#485

On October 03 2013 16:39 sharkeyanti wrote:

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Worry not, Philly fans. It takes teams an average of about 4 years to recover from losing Chris Pronger. Honestly though, there is nothing shittier than having as dominant a force as Pronger anchoring your team and then having him just... vanish. It leaves a huge hole which you scramble to fill and inevitably screw up your roster to the point that it takes years to rectify the problems.

Also Luke Schenn.

Flaccid

8898 Posts

October 03 2013 16:07 GMT

#486

This is hilarious:

Western Conference Rolling Team Corsi Charts

Edmonton looks like the stock market in 1929. LOiLers.

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sharkeyanti

United States1273 Posts

October 03 2013 16:22 GMT

#487

@Flaccid

I know, losing Pronger was just such a big thing. The only comparable situation was Marc Savard, but he was a forward, and BOS was fine without him. Sometimes I find it hard to understand how much blame Holmgren and co get for mismanagement when they had this basically unforeseeable disaster happen. $5M cap hit (which hurts not that bad), the guy who was supposed to be the No. 1 dman til say last year or this year, and a serious leader.

sharkeyanti

United States1273 Posts

October 03 2013 16:29 GMT

#488

Also, what the hell MIN:

Jason Pominville, 5 years and $30M. He's decent but damn that's an overpay for a declining player who has been injury-prone the past few years.

Orcasgt24

Canada3238 Posts

October 03 2013 19:21 GMT

#489

On October 04 2013 01:07 Flaccid wrote:
This is hilarious:

Western Conference Rolling Team Corsi Charts

Edmonton looks like the stock market in 1929. LOiLers.

I laughed my ass off at his description of Oilers fans in the paragraph That was epicly funny

Sub40APM

6336 Posts

October 03 2013 20:38 GMT

#490

On October 04 2013 01:29 sharkeyanti wrote:
Also, what the hell MIN:

Jason Pominville, 5 years and $30M. He's decent but damn that's an overpay for a declining player who has been injury-prone the past few years.

Agreed. What a waste of money. They need more help in goalie and D, Backstrom was literally the only reason they were in the playoff hunt and as his play started slipping in the last 2 weeks so did their chances of winning anything.
Anyway, Pronger being removed isnt the only reason Flyers sucked. Giving away Carter and Richards for free, then giving away Bob all to sign Bryzgalov to a monster contract was just dumb. As was getting rid of JVR for Schenn.

Fionn

United States23455 Posts

October 03 2013 20:51 GMT

#491

plz kings no lose

Kevin_Sorbo

Canada3217 Posts

October 03 2013 20:53 GMT

#492

On October 04 2013 05:38 Sub40APM wrote:

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The Flyers dealt Richards to L.A. for forwards Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds, and a second-round pick in the 2012 draft.

The Columbus Blue Jackets made a splash leading up to Friday night's first round of the 2011 Entry Draft, acquiring star forward Jeff Carter from the Philadelphia Flyers on Thursday in exchange for forward Jakub Voracek as well as first-round pick and third-round 2011 picks.

You are not totally wrong saying those were bad trades but saying they gave them away for free is exagerating imo. They still got 3 players who are on the roster today. That plus the fact that Mike Richards aint what he used to be.

Sub40APM

6336 Posts

October 03 2013 20:56 GMT

#493

Ya thats true, Voracek is a great pick up, Scenn so far looks meh and Simmonds is good at what he does but Richards and Carter were their 1A 1B centers and the replacements didnt quite fill the holes that the fall off in play by Richards/Carter created.

sharkeyanti

United States1273 Posts

October 04 2013 02:16 GMT

#494

I really liked Carter, I thought he was a top 10 in the league player. Yet the return we got for him was phenomenal, Voracek and Couturier (and Nick Cousins, a decent prospect from the 3rd round pick) are more valuable to the team in my book. Schenn was considered the top prospect in hockey by many scouts, Simmonds is a valuable young player with a team-friendly deal. If Schenn turns into a 60pt guy (and the advanced stats are favorable to him already) I'll be happy. The replacement top center was Claude Giroux. Giroux, Carter, Richards is an amazing trio, but this is hardly a bad alternative. I thought they gave up on that core way too fast, Richards and Carter were both fairly young, but I feel good about the current situation now.

It should be pointed out that Couturier is 20, and Schenn 22. Richards and Carter were hardly stars at that age. And again with Bobrovsky, he was a fairly average goalie for us. They absolutely gave up on him too early, but management turned an undrafted sophomore into a 2nd and a 3rd round pick. Not too shabby.