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Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 20 2013 21:45 GMT
#141
On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.

When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer.


twenty five cents


25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.


It got nothing to do with money but everything to do with moral and ethical beliefs. I got a question for you if they cant even treat there own employees right how would they treat there costumers when something goes wrong?
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yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 21:45 GMT
#142
On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.

When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer.


twenty five cents


25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.


This post is hilarious.

We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza.

I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company.

I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits.

It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite.


Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
May 20 2013 21:45 GMT
#143
On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ...


Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs.

If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them.

I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation.


But here's what confuses me.

Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco)

This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports)

Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?

Because some people value different things.......differently?


If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me.

That's a terrible analogy.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
May 20 2013 21:46 GMT
#144
So the OP's opinions is that the opinion of people who are of the opinion that they shouldn't support a certain other opinion is bad?
tsangan
Profile Joined May 2011
United States19 Posts
May 20 2013 21:46 GMT
#145
On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it..

I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards
don't try to steal my love
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 21:47:58
May 20 2013 21:46 GMT
#146
It's fucking pizza. I don't think anyone should give two shits for or against them. If you want to support e-sports, donate directly. You don't have to buy a god damn pizza to "Help E-sports!!!"

@farvacola
No man, it's a great analogy. Papa Johns is full of Nazis, so it works out. -cough-
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 21:47 GMT
#147
On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it..

I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards


I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
May 20 2013 21:48 GMT
#148
On May 21 2013 06:45 Jindo wrote:
The OP probably need to ask people if it's ok for businesses to pass the cost of Obamacare over to employees and consumers. Because that's the reason they're getting boycotted. The "why u agaisnt opinions" is just bs imo.


Well, passing costs to consumer is something nearly every company does. The reason you pay for a product is so that the company can finance the cost.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16087 Posts
May 20 2013 21:48 GMT
#149
On May 21 2013 06:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.

When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer.


twenty five cents


25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.


This post is hilarious.

We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza.

I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company.

I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits.

It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite.


Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare.


It WOULD be a good business practice if they were willing to make that price raise. The fact he bitched and complained about it is what I have a problem with.

Like holy shit it costs you a quarter per pizza to give your workers healthcare and you're going to complain about it?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
omnic
Profile Joined July 2010
United States188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 21:49:34
May 20 2013 21:48 GMT
#150
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.


If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread.

farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 21:49:55
May 20 2013 21:49 GMT
#151
On May 21 2013 06:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.

When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer.


twenty five cents


25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.


This post is hilarious.

We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza.

I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company.

I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits.

It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite.


Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare.

Actually, the math has been done, and it was determined that Schnatter's threats insofar as raising pizza costs to pay for Obamacare were not mathematically sound.

Last year, Papa John’s International captured $1.218 billion in revenue. Total operating expenses were $1.131 billion. So if Schnatter’s math is accurate (Obamacare will cost his company $5-8 million more annually), then new regulation translates into a .4% to .7% (yes, fractions of a percent) expense increase. It’s difficult to set that ratio against the proposed pie increase, given size and topping differentials, but many of their large specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost transference becomes less equitable if you’re looking at medium pizzas, which run closer to $12, meaning a .8% to 1.15% price increase.

For the sake of argument, let’s say that Papa John’s sells exactly half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price increase — well outside the range of what Schnatter says Obamacare will cost him.

So how much would prices go up, under these 50/50 conditions, if they were to fairly reflect the increased cost of doing business onset by Obamacare? Update 12/5/12: an earlier version of this story estimated that a fair per pie cost increase to reflect additional expenses due to Obamacare to be 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie. That was incorrect. The range is 5.6-9.8 cents per pie. This is still absolutely outside the range of proposed pie increases suggested by Schnatter at the time, and, as discussed in the comments, the range gives Schnatter a large benefit-of-the-doubt margin as the estimate assumes all pizzas are sold at specialty prices. In reality, many pizzas sold are at discount or coupon prices, and many pizzas are not specialty pizzas, but in fact cheaper pizzas with fewer toppings. Thanks to Daniel Kirchheimer for noticing the error.


Also, Schnatter is a 25% percent shareholder, and the largest individual holder of shares in the company, so your previous statements as to his not owning any part of the company and him not being it's spokesperson are incorrect.

Breaking Down Centi-Millionaire 'Papa' John Schnatter's Obamacare Math
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 20 2013 21:49 GMT
#152
On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ...


Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs.

If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them.

I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation.


But here's what confuses me.

Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco)

This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports)

Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?

Because some people value different things.......differently?


If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me.

That's a terrible analogy.


I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad.

They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil.

But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
tsangan
Profile Joined May 2011
United States19 Posts
May 20 2013 21:50 GMT
#153
On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it..

I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards


I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm

Nope I'm the type that just decides for myself what I should do, I have no opinions on others that want to support this sponsor, but the quote i quoted is telling ALL of us to suck it up and support regardless of what we believe in.
don't try to steal my love
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
May 20 2013 21:51 GMT
#154
Shouldn't this thread be moved or closed or something? I feel like this will devolve relatively quickly...
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
May 20 2013 21:51 GMT
#155
On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?

From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?

Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.

Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.

Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.

Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.

And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.

Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm


Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
May 20 2013 21:51 GMT
#156
On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ...


Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs.

If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them.

I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation.


But here's what confuses me.

Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco)

This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports)

Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?

Because some people value different things.......differently?


If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me.

That's a terrible analogy.


I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad.

They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil.

But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.

Like I already said, people value different things differently. Just because you consider the CEO and spokesperson's previous statements unimportant in light of the companies support of esports does not mean that anyone else need adopt that perspective in any essential sense.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 21:51 GMT
#157
On May 21 2013 06:48 omnic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.


If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread.



You missed the point. Badly. Apologize for reading terribly.

What I mean is that I want to know why people care about the opinions of a company so much. It's their god damn opinion, it's their right to have it. Whether you agree with it or not shouldn't have anything to do with whether you buy their products in my opinion.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1047 Posts
May 20 2013 21:51 GMT
#158
I don't like Papa Johns because their "PIZZAGG" code is only good for pizza and not any other product. I find that to be biased and prejudice. What if I dont like pizza? What if I cant have pizza due to the sauce or something similar such as a allergy?

They have salads and hot wings too you know! Get with the program dammit!
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
May 20 2013 21:51 GMT
#159
On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ...


Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs.

If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them.

I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation.


But here's what confuses me.

Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco)

This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports)

Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?

Because some people value different things.......differently?


If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me.

That's a terrible analogy.


I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad.

They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil.

But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.



Shut up and take our money!! But where do we take a stand?. Should we take money from Terrorist organisations as well? Since they would be "saving Esport"!!!!
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
May 20 2013 21:52 GMT
#160
They make a pretty damn good pizza that I can pick up on the way home from work for a reasonable price, so they have my business regardless of their political opinions.
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