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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. It got nothing to do with money but everything to do with moral and ethical beliefs. I got a question for you if they cant even treat there own employees right how would they treat there costumers when something goes wrong? | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote: This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote: If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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tsangan
United States19 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote: The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
@farvacola No man, it's a great analogy. Papa Johns is full of Nazis, so it works out. -cough- | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote: I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:45 Jindo wrote: The OP probably need to ask people if it's ok for businesses to pass the cost of Obamacare over to employees and consumers. Because that's the reason they're getting boycotted. The "why u agaisnt opinions" is just bs imo. Well, passing costs to consumer is something nearly every company does. The reason you pay for a product is so that the company can finance the cost. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare. It WOULD be a good business practice if they were willing to make that price raise. The fact he bitched and complained about it is what I have a problem with. Like holy shit it costs you a quarter per pizza to give your workers healthcare and you're going to complain about it? | ||
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omnic
United States188 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare. Actually, the math has been done, and it was determined that Schnatter's threats insofar as raising pizza costs to pay for Obamacare were not mathematically sound. Last year, Papa John’s International captured $1.218 billion in revenue. Total operating expenses were $1.131 billion. So if Schnatter’s math is accurate (Obamacare will cost his company $5-8 million more annually), then new regulation translates into a .4% to .7% (yes, fractions of a percent) expense increase. It’s difficult to set that ratio against the proposed pie increase, given size and topping differentials, but many of their large specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost transference becomes less equitable if you’re looking at medium pizzas, which run closer to $12, meaning a .8% to 1.15% price increase. For the sake of argument, let’s say that Papa John’s sells exactly half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price increase — well outside the range of what Schnatter says Obamacare will cost him. So how much would prices go up, under these 50/50 conditions, if they were to fairly reflect the increased cost of doing business onset by Obamacare? Update 12/5/12: an earlier version of this story estimated that a fair per pie cost increase to reflect additional expenses due to Obamacare to be 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie. That was incorrect. The range is 5.6-9.8 cents per pie. This is still absolutely outside the range of proposed pie increases suggested by Schnatter at the time, and, as discussed in the comments, the range gives Schnatter a large benefit-of-the-doubt margin as the estimate assumes all pizzas are sold at specialty prices. In reality, many pizzas sold are at discount or coupon prices, and many pizzas are not specialty pizzas, but in fact cheaper pizzas with fewer toppings. Thanks to Daniel Kirchheimer for noticing the error. Also, Schnatter is a 25% percent shareholder, and the largest individual holder of shares in the company, so your previous statements as to his not owning any part of the company and him not being it's spokesperson are incorrect. Breaking Down Centi-Millionaire 'Papa' John Schnatter's Obamacare Math | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people. | ||
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tsangan
United States19 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm Nope I'm the type that just decides for myself what I should do, I have no opinions on others that want to support this sponsor, but the quote i quoted is telling ALL of us to suck it up and support regardless of what we believe in. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports? From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care? Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it. Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion. Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions. Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion. And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns. Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote: I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people. Like I already said, people value different things differently. Just because you consider the CEO and spokesperson's previous statements unimportant in light of the companies support of esports does not mean that anyone else need adopt that perspective in any essential sense. | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:48 omnic wrote: If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread. You missed the point. Badly. Apologize for reading terribly. What I mean is that I want to know why people care about the opinions of a company so much. It's their god damn opinion, it's their right to have it. Whether you agree with it or not shouldn't have anything to do with whether you buy their products in my opinion. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1048 Posts
They have salads and hot wings too you know! Get with the program dammit! | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote: I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people. Shut up and take our money!! But where do we take a stand?. Should we take money from Terrorist organisations as well? Since they would be "saving Esport"!!!! | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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