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On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person.
Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents
but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company
try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes"
but no, anyone who criticizes papa john's is just making controversy for the sake of it
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On May 21 2013 06:24 zhurai wrote:
this community just seems to like to whine about everything.
I whine about people whining while whining all while drinking wine that I'm also whining about.
Whineception.
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Well, I saw the announcement earlier and thought I'd just stay out of it as I disagree with their afore discussed principles, but since the topic is here...yeah. A company I don't like sponsoring something I do like does buy some good will, not enough that I'll just ignore all their other actions, but just enough that I wasn't going to post in the announcement thread.
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On May 21 2013 06:19 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:16 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:12 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Papa Johns has literally did NOTHING but state opinions. Back in the 60s people boycotted businesses for denying services to non-whites not for expressing controversial opinions. Want to know why? Because people are entitled to their opinion. Papa Johns has never done anything heinous like that so you're basically just boycotting them for their opinions rather than their actions. Well isn't that normal for a human being? I know for a fact ill never make friends with people who is expressing opinions so fare from my own moral and ethical beliefs. Well I also try to avoid ass-holes. But you forget there's a whole half country of people that wouldn't agree with you. They weren't be assholes. They were expressing their opinion. Why don't we just put a muzzle on companies and prevent them from having opinions if it makes you feel better. Guess what guys? I'm a liberal, I'm for gay marriage and I'm for ObamaCare? Guess what? I still support Papa Johns because they don't discriminate and merely state opinions.
So, you made a thread trying to white knight a multi million dollar company?
"Papa John" has some fucked up views on some things IMO, and it doesn't matter what percentage of anyone agrees with him lol. Bringing up this 50%! thing is so completely pointless it's actually funny. He's not running for political office, he's having highschool kids make pizzas while he chills on his castle estate. The number of people that agree or disagree with him is inconsequential to absolutely anything.
He's entitled to his opinion. People in this thread are entitled to their own. If they want to boycott him because they think he's a douche they're allowed to. If they want to boycott him because they think he runs a unicorn slaughtering operation from his castle they're allowed to. Who really fucking cares?
Guess what? At the end of the night he's not hurting, I'm sure he sleeps quite well on his stacks of cash and unicorn corpses.
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On May 21 2013 06:27 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person. Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes"[/url
Ok, so don't buy their pizza. Why are you telling us about it? That is the part I don't get. The teams are sponsored by PJ, which is fine. Why do people feel this uncontrollable urge to voice their disapprove of the sponsorship?
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On May 21 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain.
And starbucks is pro same-sex marriage if I remember correctly. And nobody would care if they sponsored a team.
I don't really like the way PJ's owner behaves. But I would also like the SC2 teams to be politically neutral.
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Aww, so many mad non-liberals.
How about an Anti-Papa Johns Appreciation Day modeled off the Chick Fil-A Appreciation Day.
It's that easy. Some people like to raise issues/complain, and yet others like to complain about people complaining.
The world keeps turning.
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On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few?
The opinions of those few, the CEO for one, represents the entire company. For some people, supporting them is supporting the company's opinion by association. Not supporting them for that reason is a personal statement expressing that you don't agree with that company's opinions/statements. When you think of "Papa Johns," you automatically associate that with the CEO and furthermore, the CEO's statements.
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I think it all started when Papa John said he would reduce his worker's hours because of obamacare. People went off on him and then i think it ended up being where he would increase the price of the pizza instead. The restaurant applebees has also threatened to do the same thing as Papa Johns.
Either way, I don't have a problem if someone doesn't want to buy something from a company because of this. People can do whatever they want.
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On May 21 2013 06:30 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain. And starbucks is pro same-sex marriage if I remember correctly. And nobody would care if they sponsored a team. I don't really like the way PJ's owner behaves. But I would also like the SC2 teams to be politically neutral.
People would complain they shut down local coffee shops and abuse coffee bean growers. Never doubt the community's ability to create drama where there is none.
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On May 21 2013 06:30 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? The opinions of those few, the CEO for one, represents the entire company. For some people, supporting them is supporting the company's opinion by association. Not supporting them for that reason is a personal statement expressing that you don't agree with that company's opinions/statements. When you think of "Papa Johns," you automatically associate that with the CEO and furthermore, the CEO's statements.
No. The CEO doesn't own nor does he represent the company. The CEO runs the company under the approval of a Board that chooses the CEO. The CEO doesn't influence company politics he merely runs day-to-day operations and business operations. The people that influence the politics and practices are the Board because they are the ones that choose him.
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Wait treating you own employees with decency and respect is being liberal? Wow In Denmark we call it being human
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The hell do I care about politics. They make pizza I like pizza I eat pizza I support esports.
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On May 21 2013 06:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:27 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person. Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes"[/url Ok, so don't buy their pizza. Why are you telling us about it? That is the part I don't get. The teams are sponsored by PJ, which is fine. Why do people feel this uncontrollable urge to voice their disapprove of the sponsorship?
why do people feel this uncontrollable urge to post "guise i bought 4 pizzas!1" or white knight the company that doesn't give a fuck about them? it is a mystery (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
it's a message board and i'm allowed to post within the ruleset put forward by the administration, and i'm waiting for WCS to start.
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I don't even think we have Papa John's but it seems like a pretty scummy company that we're all suddenly expected to bend over backwards for because people will make money off of it.
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On May 21 2013 06:33 Benjamin99 wrote:Wait treating you own employees with decency and respect is being liberal? Wow In Denmark we call it being human
Way to twist words. So impressive /sarcasm
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On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.
Obamacare is going to raise costs for every company in the US, how is this Papa John's fault? When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. Papa John's is just telling you where the increase is coming from.
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On May 21 2013 06:31 blizzind wrote:
I think it all started when Papa John said he would reduce his worker's hours because of obamacare. People went off on him and then i think it ended up being where he would increase the price of the pizza instead. The restaurant applebees has also threatened to do the same thing as Papa Johns.
Either way, I don't have a problem if someone doesn't want to buy something from a company because of this. People can do whatever they want.
Rising the prices of pizzas is perfectly fine. If he has more expenses stuff gets more expensive. The prices have to cover the costs. On the other hand he still seems to have money over for political campaigns, but the sole fact of increasing prices as a reation to an increase in expenses is not political.
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The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it..
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On May 21 2013 06:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:30 Sandermatt wrote:On May 21 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain. And starbucks is pro same-sex marriage if I remember correctly. And nobody would care if they sponsored a team. I don't really like the way PJ's owner behaves. But I would also like the SC2 teams to be politically neutral. People would complain they shut down local coffee shops and abuse coffee bean growers. Never doubt the community's ability to create drama where there is none.
Both of those reasons are legit reasons for an individual to decide not to go to Starbucks anymore. I don't understand the problem you have with that.
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