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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
How so? I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall. Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support? | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Zechs
United Kingdom321 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote: no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid The middle sentence here is so true, and the OP proves that in an alarmingly obvious way. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:15 Sandermatt wrote: I can understand if you boycot a company that fundamentally oposses your views. If representatives of the company discriminate your ethnicity, gender or beliefs or if they seriously hurt other people. But the whole problem here seems to be about money issues (financing of healthcare). Is this really enough to shun companies? The "money issues" amount to losing a fraction of a percent. This was after contributing to a political campaign and donating 2 million pizzas for publicity. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:18 jinorazi wrote: people do this every time hyundai sponsors nba? or any other sport? you guys are fucking kids, childish to even talk about this stuff. intel sponsoring boxer/slayers, now thats a story to talk about  Wait, Hyundai sponsor the NBA? One time one of their employees was rude to my mom.(runs inside and lights basket ball on fire, throws it down the street). And I forgot that intel sponsored slayers.(Holds hammer above CPU). I will be offline for a while. #opinions. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
Here's what you're not getting--it's possible for people to have one opinion about one topic, and a have favorable opinion on another topic. For example: If PJ hates Obamacare, but still spent $1,000,000 in charity--should we say no to that charity just because we think one of their employees is a dick? Will that act of charity suddenly be labeled evil? No, it possible that there are people in the world who have opinions we disagree on in regards to some topics, but have opinions we agree on in other topics. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:20 Vindicare605 wrote: How so? I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall. Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support? It's great that you don't like their products. That's you expressing your opinion. The problem what I have is with the "business practices." What businesses practices has Papa Johns done that makes you hate them so much? From what I've seen they've never denied service to homosexuals or discriminated while hiring. The argument that they treat their employees like shit applies to almost every multi-million dollar company in the world. Most of them treat them like shit. Papa Johns isn't the only guilty party. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:20 Zechs wrote: The middle sentence here is so true, and the OP proves that in an alarmingly obvious way. Not really. A LOT of people don't have a problem with PJ, so they're not bending any way for anything, they're just taking advantage of a deal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:22 Thieving Magpie wrote: Here's what you're not getting--it's possible for people to have one opinion about one topic, and a have favorable opinion on another topic. For example: If PJ hates Obamacare, but still spent $1,000,000 in charity--should we say no to that charity just because we think one of their employees is a dick? Will that act of charity suddenly be labeled evil? No, it possible that there are people in the world who have opinions we disagree on in regards to some topics, but have opinions we agree on in other topics. Or, I can disagree with someone and have a beer with them and talk about it. Or eat their pizza. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote: It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
True every board members here has it's own opinion, but if the teams discriminate in the political opinion of their sponsors this would kinda be a message. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: It's great that you don't like their products. That's you expressing your opinion. The problem what I have is with the "business practices." What businesses practices has Papa Johns done that makes you hate them so much? From what I've seen they've never denied service to homosexuals or discriminated while hiring. The argument that they treat their employees like shit applies to almost every multi-million dollar company in the world. Most of them treat them like shit. Papa Johns isn't the only guilty party. That doesn't matter, as we aren't discussing most companies, and most companies aren't involved in gaming. You can cry double standard all you like, but that is a parameter for discussion that not everyone needs to acknowledge. Some people don't like the way PJ's does business, and whether or not you personally think this opinion is tenable is a non-issue. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: It's great that you don't like their products. That's you expressing your opinion. The problem what I have is with the "business practices." What businesses practices has Papa Johns done that makes you hate them so much? From what I've seen they've never denied service to homosexuals or discriminated while hiring. The argument that they treat their employees like shit applies to almost every multi-million dollar company in the world. Most of them treat them like shit. Papa Johns isn't the only guilty party. They treat their workers like shit and pay them next to nothing. I live in Los Angeles, I don't need to buy fast food from chains that treats their workers like shit, there's far superior alternatives around. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:23 Zenbrez wrote: Not really. A LOT of people don't have a problem with PJ, so they're not bending any way for anything, they're just taking advantage of a deal. Half the US outright supports PJ for what their CEO said one time during the height of a massive public debate. To that half, PJ both supports their views as well as supports esports. | ||
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_SpiRaL_
Afghanistan1636 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:20 Vindicare605 wrote: How so? I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall. Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support? Nowhere. Only in "esports" does this matter. Think about football. Does every fan go around buying Samsung phones because they sponsor Chelsea? Ridiculous isn't it? That's not how it works. It increases exposure for the company which leads to an increase in sales. Do not feel compelled to do anything unless you want the thing (ie the pizza). | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
How about a Papa Johns Appreciation Day modeled off the Chick Fil-A Appreciation Day. Like this. https://www.facebook.com/events/266281243473841/ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain. | ||
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