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On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that.
You know John did campaigning and fundraising for Romney in part because he promised to repeal Obamacare before it took effect, right?
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On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that.
Telling American voters that you'll raise the cost of their pizza by an undue margin if a particular political candidate gets elected is an ACTION.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 zev318 wrote:
so i read that forbes link on the earlier pages and it was mentioned that this guy actually owns only 25% of the company. what if the other 75% had the opposite opinion? would people still boycott papa john's? where would u draw the line? but the shareholders choose the CEO, so they agree with his public opinions by default.
No they don't. They agree with his business practices, not with his opinions. *Facepalm*
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On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that.
oh so the pizza gift and the financement of Romney campaign by the guy who's the CEO, spokeman and owns 25% of the company didn't happen?
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On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people...
If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life.
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On May 21 2013 07:02 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that. oh so the pizza gift and the financement of Romney campaign by the guy who's the CEO, spokeman and owns 25% of the company didn't happen?
He's totally ignoring the fact that Schnatter is 25% owner and spokesperson, methinks his "Business Practice 101" didn't cover such a thing.
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On May 21 2013 07:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person. How? Because he uses cell phones, buys clothes and eats meat?
are you serious?
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On May 21 2013 07:02 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that. Telling American voters that you'll raise the cost of their pizza by an undue margin if a particular political candidate gets elected is an ACTION.
Not a candidate. A bill. And that bill did indeed cut into the profits of Papa Johns so they were in their full right to raise the price. And it's not like it was by much. It was 25 CENTS. 25 CENTS WON'T KILL PEOPLE.
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I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm*
And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable.
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On May 21 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life.
hitler helped the economy by forcing a transition into war industry (+ infrastructure work that wouldn't have been enough), so he fixed the german economy but had to launch a war. Ironically it enable the US to recover from the crisis a few years later, war is really profitable for your economy as long as you don't destroy your own territory.
Tho you've a point even tough the historical analogy is terrible.
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On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
But here's what confuses me.
Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco)
This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports)
Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?
Some people may have missed the Papa Johns story last year and are only hearing it for the first time now. And some probably were mad last year as well, but you wouldn't expect Papa Johns to be as big of a talking point on a major eSports forum before they became relevant to eSports.
Again, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other - I just don't understand the confusion about the opposition. It's really simple that some people want the scene to grow, but not at the expense of having it connected to what they see as an immoral financier.
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On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
I still prefer to do businesses which don't actively push toward the wrong side.
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On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
A quiet political opinion and a loud political opinion are entirely different, that's what politics are all about.
And @OP, Schnatter threatened these cost raises if Obama was re-elected, not if Obamacare was passed. The American public does not vote on federal legislative issues.
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On May 21 2013 07:03 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:02 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that. oh so the pizza gift and the financement of Romney campaign by the guy who's the CEO, spokeman and owns 25% of the company didn't happen? He's totally ignoring the fact that Schnatter is 25% owner and spokesperson, methinks his "Business Practice 101" didn't cover such a thing.
methinks a lot of stuff aren't covered by the memo he received to defend Papa john. Tho now i'm hungry and there is no way to eat a pizza while asian ppl are going to own white dudes QQ
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I think you have a right to question companies based on their monetary support on both sides of the spectrum. If you're basically saying that a stable company supporting Esports can do whatever they want, think about Westboro Baptist Church or Brazzers investing into Esports and see how you feel about it.
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God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
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Some people are so stupid.
Obviously the extra tax for healthcare is going to raise prices....25cents extra is NOT A LOT EXTRA TO PAY SO EVERYONE CAN GET HEALTHCARE.
People complaining that papa johns raised their prices by 25cents just beyond selfish and cheap it is so sad some people will complain about 25 cent....not to mention they are giving us a big discount with the promo code.
When you tax things....prices go up. If you tax oil companies more.....gas prices will just go up (poor people can not longer afford gas, but the environment is cleaner). If you increase taxes on owning cows....milk prices go up (less quantity of milk purchased, but less methane in the atmosphere).
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On May 21 2013 07:03 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person. How? Because he uses cell phones, buys clothes and eats meat? are you serious?
Cell phones, clothes, and meat are pretty much all run by companies that do corrupt and terrible things. But he likes cellphones, clothes, and eating meat--so he's okay with that.
How is he terrible for liking things that most people in the US also like? Such as cellphones, computers, clothing, and food?
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Godwin's Law rings true again, and the debate is effectively over.
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