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On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite.
I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic.
The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit?
Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 BoZiffer wrote:
Shouldn't this thread be moved or closed or something? I feel like this will devolve relatively quickly...
It *has* devolved very quickly. Although thanks for at least thinking we haven't yet 
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Okay, so i like that big companies like this are coming into esports, but I believe the people who are unhappy with Poppa John's are quite justified.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html
The idea that the company is beholden entirely to profit with no regard for the health of their employees or the general public makes me think twice about wanting to support them.
I don't think that esports should be 'politically neutral' because it is something that I am very passionate about and associating itself with anyone and everyone just to make a quick buck is not a good plan. I care where our money comes from because I care about the many american players and fans in the esports community who will benefit from universal healthcare, and I don't think that ignoring these major corporations' political actions will benefit me or anyone else.
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On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm
Oh come off of it.
It isn't like Papa Johns is directly supporting the entire scene, they're supporting two of the already most successful foreign teams in the world as well as a few of their individual players.
Tell you what, you continue supporting e-sports by buying their pizza and I'll keep doing it by supporting the smaller up and coming North American teams by giving them ad revenue on twitch and helping promote their players on twitter.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up
Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:48 omnic wrote:On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread. You missed the point. Badly. Apologize for reading terribly. What I mean is that I want to know why people care about the opinions of a company so much. It's their god damn opinion, it's their right to have it. Whether you agree with it or not shouldn't have anything to do with whether you buy their products in my opinion.
So you would still buy the products of people who are of the opinion that opinions are a good reason not to buy a prodcuct, right?
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On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy. I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.
You can weigh the good and bad but if you weigh being a dick about your employees and "Obamacare" at say a 50% hit to the company in your eyes. Then you value "Supporting Esports" as a nice thing that doesn't really affect anything in a very meaningful way at say 10% good you're still at 40% hate. People assign different values to different things. They could be weighing the esports thing as a nice little bone but it doesn't undo the previous wrong. People aren't going to value the good and the bad with the same weight, they don't counteract one another.
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On May 21 2013 06:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm Oh come off of it. It isn't like Papa Johns is directly supporting the entire scene, they're supporting two of the already most successful foreign teams in the world as well as a few of their individual players. Tell you what, you continue supporting e-sports by buying their pizza and I'll keep doing it by supporting the smaller up and coming North American teams by giving them ad revenue on twitch and helping promote their players on twitter.
You know what drives the big sports leagues? Popular teams. If there was no Michael Jordan, the NBA wouldn't be as popular as it is today. If there was no New York Yankees, MLB wouldn't be so popular. You can't tell me small teams are what drives the popular leagues.
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On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others.
They don't push their Christian views on anyone, I've volunteered there and can personally attest to this as we gave clothing to muslim families and atheists in addition to Christians, totally bereft of any preaching.
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On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards
Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole.
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Papa john's are also notorious for wanting to screw all of their employees out of health coverage. Papa John himself is known to be a pretty standard all for me and only the very least for my ground level workers kind of guy. I'd really much rather any other pizza chain be involved in eSports.
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On May 21 2013 06:54 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:51 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:48 omnic wrote:On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread. You missed the point. Badly. Apologize for reading terribly. What I mean is that I want to know why people care about the opinions of a company so much. It's their god damn opinion, it's their right to have it. Whether you agree with it or not shouldn't have anything to do with whether you buy their products in my opinion. So you would still buy the products of people who are of the opinion that opinions are a good reason not to buy a prodcuct, right?
Sure. If it's a good product.
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On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others.
And why is there a problem with that? I do business with people who's views connect with mine or at least aren't opposed. There's nothing wrong with boycotting the Salvation Army in favor of a charitable organization which doesn't have the blatant downside of pushing religious beliefs.
If more people stopped helping the Salvation army, with some luck, we'd end up with secular charitable organizations which don't discriminate against homosexuals and whatnot.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy. I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people. Shut up and take our money!! But where do we take a stand?. Should we take money from Terrorist organisations as well? Since they would be "saving Esport"!!!!
Every person can take a stand for their own well being.
If you don't like papa johns or terrorists, don't support them.
If EG and TL don't mind papa johns or terrorist--don't lambaste them for having their own opinions.
I like that papa johns will give money to EG and TL. Does that mean I'll buy their pizza? No. But I like that something I love is loved by others and I appreciate that sentiment. I appreciate that such a money hungry sob is willing to take a chance and spend money on TL. I like that someone who is so concerned about making money trusts in TL and EG that much.
I still won't buy their pizzas, but I'm not going to ignore that what they're doing is very much appreciated.
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I'm a satanist/communist from the east coast, so there's where I run into problems with Papa Johns, and most big corporations come to think of it.
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I think the issue was touched on by a lot of people but never really fleshed out.
If you have high-ranking people in a company that hold certain offensive views, including the CEO, you generally try not to associate with that company because you don't want to be associated with those views. But why you ask?
I think the main reason why, is because generally speaking beliefs don't exist in a vacuum. They alter people's behaviour, such that they have direct and indirect effects that can cause harm. For example, if a homophobic sentiment were widely held by the American population, it would directly lead to the resentment of gays which would be damaging to them (i.e. they would effectively be outcasted) and therefore the cohesion of society - and indirectly we're not sure; but it would likely be the major catalyst behind any actions that might be taken that actually punish gays in some way solely because of their sexual orientation.
So I think that's the deeper reason behind why; the world isn't perfectly divided between harmless beliefs and actions; that would be an innocent and naive view of the world. Note that we aren't doing anything illegal here; but we are actively trying to prevent supporting opinions that could lead to serious problems in the future if they were openly embraced by large numbers of people.
The more people take a stand, the more likely it is that pressure would be placed on organizations to change their stance, and in turn we could create a better society.
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I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
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On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole.
No you just made yourself look like a terrible person.
On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
Well, if you don't like someone (Papa Johns in this case) then why would you want to give them any money at all, assuming you dislike them passionately? It's not completely irrelevant. Just because Team Liquid or EG or whatever might get a slice of the (pizza) pie doesn't mean I want to give anything to Papa Johns. Not that I personally care a huge amount about pizza or Papa Johns, or even supporting TL, Root, EG, e-sports.
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On May 21 2013 06:55 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others. They don't push their Christian views on anyone, I've volunteered there and can personally attest to this as we gave clothing to muslim families and atheists in addition to Christians, totally bereft of any preaching.
They have been accused of doing such practices. Maybe not in your part of the organization, but the organization as a whole isn't perfect. However, I still support organizations like the Salvation Army nonetheless because of how much the good overrides the ugly.
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On May 21 2013 06:52 StayPhrosty wrote:Okay, so i like that big companies like this are coming into esports, but I believe the people who are unhappy with Poppa John's are quite justified. http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.htmlThe idea that the company is beholden entirely to profit with no regard for the health of their employees or the general public makes me think twice about wanting to support them. I don't think that esports should be 'politically neutral' because it is something that I am very passionate about and associating itself with anyone and everyone just to make a quick buck is not a good plan. I care where our money comes from because I care about the many american players and fans in the esports community who will benefit from universal healthcare, and I don't think that ignoring these major corporations' political actions will benefit me or anyone else.
And what makes you think other companies don't feel the exact same way as PJ does? They're just smart enough not to jump into politics polarizing their image to customers who don't agree. You boycott PJ and the company you're giving money to instead probably feels the exact same way about the bill as PJ does.
You raise the marginal cost of any business and they'll raise their price and/or cut production.
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