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I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm
DON'T YOU DARE COMPARE PAPA JOHNS TO HITLER. Hitler acted on his opinions. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. You people really don't get my point, do you? *Facepalm*
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I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.
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Because most kids are liberals, and Papa Johns isn't. QED
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Erg, well, I just don't like PJ's pizza nearly as much as pretty much any other pizza company.
Idk about these claims being made, but as far as I'm concerned, if they are TRUE, then people have a reason to be angry. Doesn't affect me at all but I wouldn't be bothered by other people getting all riled up about it.
As for speculations against PJ, speculations are worthless and should be treated so until people come up with solid evidence and PJ does not come up with the proper response.
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On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.
Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
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On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
Fair enough, but as a consumer you are also entitled to an opinion, and I believe that one should try not to consume products from a company that conflicts with his or her core values. Buying a product is a form of endorsement, you "vote with your wallet".
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On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
You may not be here to discuss politics, but that's the reason people are upset with them. Just general moral principles like "I don't want to support X company because they do X". It's well within their rights, but I still don't understand the uproar for this promotion going on. Just chill the fuck out and do or don't order half price pizza, end it there.
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On May 21 2013 05:35 Aristotle7 wrote:
Because most kids are liberals, and Papa Johns isn't. QED
I find this ironic. Aren't liberals the ones that should be touting "I HAVE A RIGHT TO AN OPINION" They're the ones that yap the most. That right that they're trying to take away from companies like Papa Johns is the same one that's driving their agendas.
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so papa johns is killing esport or not ? that is the real question
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On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
This guy doesn't care so why the fuck should we!
Personally it's no fray for me but any thinking man would find PJ's a bit ridiculous for their position on Obamacare.
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The real reason. TL loves drama and drama loves EG. People want to be faux outraged about something that pizza is what they have chosen today. Tomorrow it will be something else.
It comes down to "My opinion is important and I will tell you it because this is the internet." Before, we just didn't buy the pizza and ate pasta for dinner.
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On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
Not everyone shares your commitments, so of course their opinions will differ from yours.
Arguing that people shouldn't care about sponsors' actions is arguing politics.
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On May 21 2013 05:43 Makro wrote:
so papa johns is killing esport or not ? that is the real question
I know this isn't a serious question - but considering this is the only thing they have done with esports, anybody that says they're killing esports needs a mallet taken to the head for a quick fix
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On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
So you don't care whatever Papa John's does yet you don't understand why people don't support PJ's? That makes sense.
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On May 21 2013 05:41 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. You may not be here to discuss politics, but that's the reason people are upset with them. Just general moral principles like "I don't want to support X company because they do X". It's well within their rights, but I still don't understand the uproar for this promotion going on. Just chill the fuck out and do or don't order half price pizza, end it there.
I understand that yet the community pulls a blind eye towards EG's tendencies to buy out the best or most personal players (which is borderline monopoly), Blizzard's tendencies to completely monopolize eSports (forcing other tournaments to schedule around them; basically killing NASL), eSports organizations tendencies to withhold prize money for extremely long periods of time, etc.
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On May 21 2013 05:46 HelloSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. So you don't care whatever Papa John's does yet you don't understand why people don't support PJ's? That makes sense.
Missed the point. I said I don't understand why people care so much about what PJ does or what their opinions are. It's NONE of their business and as I've said repeatedly people AND companies are entitled their opinions. I don't understand why people are just demonizing Papa Johns for stating their opinion. Plus, they're acting like their opinion is the popular. You forget that half of the USA still agrees with Papa Johns.
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Does anyone have a source on Papa John's homophobic statements?
If not you need to remove that from your first post. Just leaving it in there implies that there are legitimate accusations.
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On May 21 2013 05:45 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:43 Makro wrote:
so papa johns is killing esport or not ? that is the real question I know this isn't a serious question - but considering this is the only thing they have done with esports, anybody that says they're killing esports needs a mallet taken to the head for a quick fix
This isn't their first time. The earliest instance I've seen them in eSports is with COD (I don't care if you don't consider it an eSport).
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On May 21 2013 05:50 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
Does anyone have a source on Papa John's homophobic statements?
If not you need to remove that from your first post. Just leaving it in there implies that there are legitimate accusations.
I'm only stating them because people have used that as a reason why they don't support Papa Johns.
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answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant.
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On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
The reason is because so long as Americans publicly hate a political enemy, they will feel better about their own hypocrisies.
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Because they make quite literally the worst pizza's you can get?
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I think it's fine to dislike and not want to support corporations which display opinions I'm fundamentally opposed to, regardless of the fact that their opinion has nothing to do with their business. There are other pizzerias which didn't openly behave like children, I'll do business with those when I can. I won't starve and I won't do business with a company owned by trash.
Physical and moral victory.
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On May 21 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. This guy doesn't care so why the fuck should we! Personally it's no fray for me but any thinking man would find PJ's a bit ridiculous for their position on Obamacare.
So half of the United States doesn't think? Way to be unbiased. /sarcasm
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support e-sports by paying for and attending and viewing events
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On May 21 2013 05:45 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. This guy doesn't care so why the fuck should we! Personally it's no fray for me but any thinking man would find PJ's a bit ridiculous for their position on Obamacare.
Brilliant! Now, anyone that doesn't agree with you doesn't think.
To the OP: An idea is a powerful thing.
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On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
Sorry buddy, but when a company comes out and makes a statement that pisses people off, people are more than welcome to express their disdain with their money. Papa John's made an amateur mistake and would have done better to keep their mouth shut. Mixing business and politics is best done in private as you're surely going to piss people off.
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I'm very happy our community takes a stand against corporate American greed. A corporation that tries dirty trick against its own employees don't deserve or money or respect. So yea feck them
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On May 21 2013 05:52 Djzapz wrote:
Physical and moral victory.
Well, except that you'll be eating pizza. :-p
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have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining
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On May 21 2013 05:45 Plansix wrote:
The real reason. TL loves drama and drama loves EG. People want to be faux outraged about something that pizza is what they have chosen today. Tomorrow it will be something else.
It comes down to "My opinion is important and I will tell you it because this is the internet." Before, we just didn't buy the pizza and ate pasta for dinner.
If we have learned something from this thread is that pasta is the opposite of pizza.
:D
ilu plansix
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On May 21 2013 05:52 Northern_iight wrote:
answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant.
lol what?
I'm not one to start going crazy over CALL THE SPONSORS and such but this thread is disturbingly reactionary. If people object to the company on moral grounds then that's their right. What's all this psychoanalyzing BS about young people and liberals? Having a political opinion makes you a hivemind now?
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On May 21 2013 05:55 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. Sorry buddy, but when a company comes out and makes a statement that pisses people off, people are more than welcome to express their disdain with their money. Papa John's made an amateur mistake and would have done better to keep their mouth shut. Mixing business and politics is best done in private as you're surely going to piss people off.
Half the country supported Papa John's statements. The other half did not.
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God OP, are you really so blind as to be unable to answer your own question?
Why should people support companies that don't align with their views? Who are you to tell them otherwise? eSports isn't a charity.
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On May 21 2013 05:57 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:52 Northern_iight wrote:
answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant. lol what? I'm not one to start going crazy over CALL THE SPONSORS and such but this thread is disturbingly reactionary. If people object to the company on moral grounds then that's their right. What's all this psychoanalyzing BS about young people and liberals? Having a political opinion makes you a hivemind now?
He's saying that no one was complaining about PJ here on the SC2 forum, and rarely if ever in the General Forum. But now there's a lot of anger came "out of nowhere" and hence it looks (and is) a very bandwagon thing.
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On May 21 2013 05:55 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. Sorry buddy, but when a company comes out and makes a statement that pisses people off, people are more than welcome to express their disdain with their money. Papa John's made an amateur mistake and would have done better to keep their mouth shut. Mixing business and politics is best done in private as you're surely going to piss people off.
But people should be think a little and just remember that people in companies have opinions as well. Yes, it's best for those companies to keep their opinions to themselves, but people should be smart and realize that everyone is entitled to their opinions. To be honest, until I see a gay man get lynched by Papa Johns or find an event where Papa Johns officials literally harassed a homosexual employee, I don't see any problem with associating eSports with such a big company. I've never seen an incident where Papa Johns fired a homosexual employee or anything heinous like that. I only saw opinions, opinions that every person is entitled to.
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On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining
no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right
it's always just people complaining for the sake of it
always
the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills
just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid
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On May 21 2013 05:57 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:52 Northern_iight wrote:
answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant. lol what? I'm not one to start going crazy over CALL THE SPONSORS and such but this thread is disturbingly reactionary. If people object to the company on moral grounds then that's their right. What's all this psychoanalyzing BS about young people and liberals? Having a political opinion makes you a hivemind now?
Its pizza. They are sponsored by pizza who's owner happened to have an opinion that he made public and some people didn't like. But at the end of the day, its still pizza.
As my father would say: "This? This is the thing we have decided to care about today?"
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On May 21 2013 05:49 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:46 HelloSon wrote:On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. So you don't care whatever Papa John's does yet you don't understand why people don't support PJ's? That makes sense. Missed the point. I said I don't understand why people care so much about what PJ does or what their opinions are. It's NONE of their business and as I've said repeatedly people AND companies are entitled their opinions. I don't understand why people are just demonizing Papa Johns for stating their opinion. Plus, they're acting like their opinion is the popular. You forget that half of the USA still agrees with Papa Johns.
A little less than half 
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On May 21 2013 05:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:57 Redmark wrote:On May 21 2013 05:52 Northern_iight wrote:
answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant. lol what? I'm not one to start going crazy over CALL THE SPONSORS and such but this thread is disturbingly reactionary. If people object to the company on moral grounds then that's their right. What's all this psychoanalyzing BS about young people and liberals? Having a political opinion makes you a hivemind now? He's saying that no one was complaining about PJ here on the SC2 forum, and rarely if ever in the General Forum. But now there's a lot of anger came "out of nowhere" and hence it looks (and is) a very bandwagon thing.
Because most people on TL didn't give a shit about them but now they just trying to throw money at us " for the good at esport" So now we have to take a stand!
To be frankly If a company like Papa Johns is here to "save Esport" ill rather have Esport fails then succeed!
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On May 21 2013 05:59 ch33psh33p wrote:
God OP, are you really so blind as to be unable to answer your own question?
Why should people support companies that don't align with their views? Who are you to tell them otherwise? eSports isn't a charity.
But why do people CARE? Papa Johns has their opinions. Why are people demonizing them for exorcizing that right. Nobody gets pissed off when the Salvation Army expresses their "controversial" views. Want to know why? Because the Salvation Army does its job by helping people and helping EVERYONE. Papa Johns does not discriminate in hiring people nor does it refuse service to people they see as undesirable. Papa Johns officials merely STATED OPINIONS. It's not like they denied service to gay men or refused to hire lesbians. They didn't do that. They stated OPINIONS. Are you really going to boycott a company for stating OPINIONS. That quite literally makes no sense.
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On May 21 2013 05:42 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:35 Aristotle7 wrote:
Because most kids are liberals, and Papa Johns isn't. QED I find this ironic. Aren't liberals the ones that should be touting "I HAVE A RIGHT TO AN OPINION" They're the ones that yap the most. That right that they're trying to take away from companies like Papa Johns is the same one that's driving their agendas.
I don't really have a particular stance of this, but freedom of speech is about you being allowed to express your opinion, which he did. It is not there to protect you from consequences from whatever you say.
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Im not sure, i dont have a decision to make as Papa John's does not sell in the Netherlands. Their publicly backing Romney and resenting the Obamacare isn't to my liking, but i'm also feeling if this becomes a succes more big companies are willing to venture into eSports.
Although, what i do dislike seeing is Incontrol white-knighting a company which has such questionable morals on twitter argueing with 2GD who brought up the same articles that are pointed out here.
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On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid
Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support?
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On May 21 2013 06:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:57 Redmark wrote:On May 21 2013 05:52 Northern_iight wrote:
answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant. lol what? I'm not one to start going crazy over CALL THE SPONSORS and such but this thread is disturbingly reactionary. If people object to the company on moral grounds then that's their right. What's all this psychoanalyzing BS about young people and liberals? Having a political opinion makes you a hivemind now? Its pizza. They are sponsored by pizza who's owner happened to have an opinion that he made public and some people didn't like. But at the end of the day, its still pizza. As my father would say: "This? This is the thing we have decided to care about today?"
Completely agree with this. Hell it's the guys personal view, he is perfectly entitled to it, and taking revenge on his business because you disagree is not cool.
And frankly, Obamacare has enough holes in it that being against it shouldn't be a crime, but that's neither here nor there.
Esports becoming mainstream and having bigger players as sponsors is good, no matter what.
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On May 21 2013 05:52 Djzapz wrote:
I think it's fine to dislike and not want to support corporations which display opinions I'm fundamentally opposed to, regardless of the fact that their opinion has nothing to do with their business. There are other pizzerias which didn't openly behave like children, I'll do business with those when I can. I won't starve and I won't do business with a company owned by trash.
Physical and moral victory.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
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On May 21 2013 06:04 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:42 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Aristotle7 wrote:
Because most kids are liberals, and Papa Johns isn't. QED I find this ironic. Aren't liberals the ones that should be touting "I HAVE A RIGHT TO AN OPINION" They're the ones that yap the most. That right that they're trying to take away from companies like Papa Johns is the same one that's driving their agendas. I don't really have a particular stance of this, but freedom of speech is about you being allowed to express your opinion, which he did. It is not there to protect you from consequences from whatever you say.
Technically, the first amendment of the US simply protects your speech from being impeded by the government. Protect our speech from each other is more general politeness and a "don't fuck with me" culture.
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You're probably right that people that go out of their way to hate on Papa Johns etc are probably assholes. However some of the points you're trying to make are a bit flawed.
Your basic point is that since Papa Johns is helping esports we shouldn't really be all that concerned what other causes the company supports. I think that's a really bad way to look at sponsorship. If the Westboro Baptist Church decided that they wanted to sponsor a team would you be alright with that? I'm not saying Papa Johns is anything like the WBC, and without having done too much research it seems like they don't really have any crazy controversial statements from the company (although I must say, boo homophobia). I think its important to emphasize though that we should care where the money is coming from and be mindful of who we're implicitly aligning ourselves with by taking it.
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Companies cannot have opinions.
It's not unusual to see individuals or companies getting called out for their opinions/statements, sometimes it's justified, sometimes it's a bit weird (movies not being successful because of religious leaders boycotting them?, sad that they are even relevant in 21st century). However pouring money into something shouldn't make people immune to criticism.
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I think it's hilarious that everyone attributes the dislike that people have for Papa John's with being liberal or loving drama.
Because it's not like Papa John's genuinely treats their employees like shit or anything...
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On May 21 2013 06:07 3772 wrote:
Companies cannot have opinions.
Not true in America companies are people!!!
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How can this be a bad thing for eSports? Cause Papa Johns wants to behave like a business? I don't think people understand how businesses work.
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On May 21 2013 06:07 3772 wrote:
Companies cannot have opinions.
Companies cannot have anything, they are owned by people. The owners have opinions and I don't agree with some of them. However, I do buy stuff that I like from them, because other people's opinions rarely stop me from doing anything.
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People have the right to disapprove a sponsor if they want to.
You can't say "it's for esports, we need money etc". There are tons of non controversial companies, i don't think esport have to take money regardless of the compagny. Ok it's not a gun compagny or a crazy-evil compagny like Monsanto, but it's a problem too.
We have a popular thread here on TL "gay starcraft player", and i think it's really paradoxal to say "TL community is really open to all, regardless of their race, nationality or sexual orientation" and "we work with a compagny which is known for homophobia and hates against gay people".
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People are complaining?? Oh, then, let me join the crowd: I want to complain that PJ's offer isn't worldwide.
edit: You know, at a difficult time for BW, some amateur tournaments were only possible because some pyramid scheme guy from Russia sponsored them. I'm still thankful that there was a sponsor for these events. Money for esports can't be bad.
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esports fans complain about everything, even if there is no problem, they'll just come up with one to complain about
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On May 21 2013 05:57 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:52 Northern_iight wrote:
answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant. lol what? I'm not one to start going crazy over CALL THE SPONSORS and such but this thread is disturbingly reactionary. If people object to the company on moral grounds then that's their right. What's all this psychoanalyzing BS about young people and liberals? Having a political opinion makes you a hivemind now?
I have to say I very much agree with you (I chuckled reading that last line) but unfortunately most of our opinions are in fact reactionary.
I don't think many people juggle these thoughts in their every day lives, I don't think anyone really thinks about Papa Johns (haven't even had it once in my short life, neither do I know anything about them) and their political motivations and affiliations, but since something came up, all their stuff surfaces in people's minds and hence people talk about it.
Personally I think it's quite normal. People are inherently reactionary. However we should also be calm and accepting about other people's opinions. Perhaps it's really just like being a vegetarian: nothing really happen until someone asks you about it or you see some cruel animal video and everything gets whipped up again.
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On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support?
they certainly are allowed to
but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok
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Papa Johns has literally did NOTHING but state opinions. Back in the 60s people boycotted businesses for denying services to non-whites not for expressing controversial opinions. Want to know why? Because people are entitled to their opinion. Papa Johns has never done anything heinous like that so you're basically just boycotting them for their opinions rather than their actions.
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Delete this shitty fucking thread about politics on my starcraft website please, thank you.
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I don't know anything about Obamacare, so I won't comment on that but I heard it several times already that Papa John's is against gay people and I think this is some seriously wrong thinking. I approve every $ they put into E-Sports because it won't go into some weird anti-gay campaign or into the pocket of some anti-gay politician but I don't like them from what I heard.
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On May 21 2013 05:59 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:57 Redmark wrote:On May 21 2013 05:52 Northern_iight wrote:
answer? because jumping onto bandwagons is the cool thing to do!
People here have their opinions, that they're pro gay and shit but in real life, nothing they do reflects their opinions. People say shit (especially on TL/internet) just to stay relevant. lol what? I'm not one to start going crazy over CALL THE SPONSORS and such but this thread is disturbingly reactionary. If people object to the company on moral grounds then that's their right. What's all this psychoanalyzing BS about young people and liberals? Having a political opinion makes you a hivemind now? He's saying that no one was complaining about PJ here on the SC2 forum, and rarely if ever in the General Forum. But now there's a lot of anger came "out of nowhere" and hence it looks (and is) a very bandwagon thing.
Probably because PJ had nothing to do with anything that was talked about here...
If someone just posted in sc2 gen a year ago "IF PJ EVER SPONSORS ESPORTS I WILL BE UPSET", they would look kinda silly...
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Because the guy who owns it is an asshole.
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I can understand if you boycot a company that fundamentally oposses your views. If representatives of the company discriminate your ethnicity, gender or beliefs or if they seriously hurt other people.
But the whole problem here seems to be about money issues (financing of healthcare). Is this really enough to shun companies?
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On May 21 2013 06:12 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Papa Johns has literally did NOTHING but state opinions. Back in the 60s people boycotted businesses for denying services to non-whites not for expressing controversial opinions. Want to know why? Because people are entitled to their opinion. Papa Johns has never done anything heinous like that so you're basically just boycotting them for their opinions rather than their actions.
Well isn't that normal for a human being? I know for a fact ill never make friends with people who is expressing opinions so fare from my own moral and ethical beliefs. Well I also try to avoid ass-holes.
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On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok
Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare
Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person.
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On May 21 2013 06:15 Sandermatt wrote:
I can understand if you boycot a company that fundamentally oposses your views. If representatives of the company discriminate your ethnicity, gender or beliefs or if they seriously hurt other people.
But the whole problem here seems to be about money issues (financing of healthcare). Is this really enough to shun companies?
They treat their workers like shit, just like so many other companies that I refuse to support for the same reason.
In general I don't support any of the major Pizza chains, all of their business practices are just horrid.
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I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we?
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iunno if papa johns is putting money into e-sports or not, but if they are then... someone for the mother of god please support Prime. T_T_T_T_T_T_T i know they are performing really poorly right now but they seriously need a morale boost. Being an extremely devoted athlete, i know what confidence and having a good morale can do for someone who is dedicated their life to something. You wouldn't believe how much it helps having confidence. I know these are American companies here we are talking about so it doesn't really relate to the korean teams (or maybe there is papa johns in korea?). T_T I'm praying so much Prime doesn't disband. JUST IMAGINE FXOMarineKing???!?!? StarTaleMarineKing!?!?!?!? CJ_MarineKing?!!!!? NOOO! IT HAS TO BE MARINEKINGPRIME T_T
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I don't like this aggressive advertising right now.
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On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we?
Nope we don't.
That's the beauty of the consumer producer relationship. If you don't like a product--don't buy it.
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people do this every time hyundai sponsors nba? or any other sport?
you guys are fucking kids, childish to even talk about this stuff.
intel sponsoring boxer/slayers, now thats a story to talk about
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On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we?
Nop but it make us look like idiots
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Not sure why we are discussing this... Can't we just one time be happy for the teams and just eat pizza?
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TL's armchair neck bearded basement dwelling warriors are really coming out of the woodwork on this one. Proving once again TL has some of the most unsocial illogical weirdo's on the net. Do you even know why some of you are mad?
You do know US politics are fake right? If Papa johns wants to throw money @ esports. SO FUCKING BE IT. Am I pissed they don't support Obama care? Fuck no who gives a shit.
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On May 21 2013 06:16 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:12 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Papa Johns has literally did NOTHING but state opinions. Back in the 60s people boycotted businesses for denying services to non-whites not for expressing controversial opinions. Want to know why? Because people are entitled to their opinion. Papa Johns has never done anything heinous like that so you're basically just boycotting them for their opinions rather than their actions. Well isn't that normal for a human being? I know for a fact ill never make friends with people who is expressing opinions so fare from my own moral and ethical beliefs. Well I also try to avoid ass-holes.
But you forget there's a whole half country of people that wouldn't agree with you. They weren't be assholes. They were expressing their opinion. Why don't we just put a muzzle on companies and prevent them from having opinions if it makes you feel better. Guess what guys? I'm a liberal, I'm for gay marriage and I'm for ObamaCare? Guess what? I still support Papa Johns because they don't discriminate and merely state opinions.
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On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person.
No, you don't understand, you can't be happy about this. And if you are, its clearly because your a blinded by the fools light of Esports. Anyone who is just excited that the teams got new sponsors is just fooling themselves and doesnt see the dark underbelly of........
pizza.
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Does anyone have a source on papa johns being homophobic? I couldn't really find anything yet people keep reiterating that point.
Also this should probably be in the general forum
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On May 21 2013 06:18 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we? Nop but it make us look like idiots
How so?
I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall.
Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support?
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People have opinions in regards to businesses and their practices, some like to air them in public. Get over it. And no, this is not specific to TL, this is specific to, oh I don't know, human society post 1800 or so?
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On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid
The middle sentence here is so true, and the OP proves that in an alarmingly obvious way.
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On May 21 2013 06:15 Sandermatt wrote:
I can understand if you boycot a company that fundamentally oposses your views. If representatives of the company discriminate your ethnicity, gender or beliefs or if they seriously hurt other people.
But the whole problem here seems to be about money issues (financing of healthcare). Is this really enough to shun companies?
The "money issues" amount to losing a fraction of a percent. This was after contributing to a political campaign and donating 2 million pizzas for publicity.
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On May 21 2013 06:18 jinorazi wrote:people do this every time hyundai sponsors nba? or any other sport? you guys are fucking kids, childish to even talk about this stuff. intel sponsoring boxer/slayers, now thats a story to talk about
Wait, Hyundai sponsor the NBA? One time one of their employees was rude to my mom.(runs inside and lights basket ball on fire, throws it down the street).
And I forgot that intel sponsored slayers.(Holds hammer above CPU). I will be offline for a while.
#opinions.
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On May 21 2013 06:18 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we? Nop but it make us look like idiots
Here's what you're not getting--it's possible for people to have one opinion about one topic, and a have favorable opinion on another topic.
For example:
If PJ hates Obamacare, but still spent $1,000,000 in charity--should we say no to that charity just because we think one of their employees is a dick? Will that act of charity suddenly be labeled evil?
No, it possible that there are people in the world who have opinions we disagree on in regards to some topics, but have opinions we agree on in other topics.
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It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care?
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On May 21 2013 06:20 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:18 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we? Nop but it make us look like idiots How so? I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall. Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support?
It's great that you don't like their products. That's you expressing your opinion. The problem what I have is with the "business practices." What businesses practices has Papa Johns done that makes you hate them so much? From what I've seen they've never denied service to homosexuals or discriminated while hiring. The argument that they treat their employees like shit applies to almost every multi-million dollar company in the world. Most of them treat them like shit. Papa Johns isn't the only guilty party.
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On May 21 2013 06:20 Zechs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid The middle sentence here is so true, and the OP proves that in an alarmingly obvious way.
Not really. A LOT of people don't have a problem with PJ, so they're not bending any way for anything, they're just taking advantage of a deal.
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On May 21 2013 06:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:18 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we? Nop but it make us look like idiots Here's what you're not getting--it's possible for people to have one opinion about one topic, and a have favorable opinion on another topic. For example: If PJ hates Obamacare, but still spent $1,000,000 in charity--should we say no to that charity just because we think one of their employees is a dick? Will that act of charity suddenly be labeled evil? No, it possible that there are people in the world who have opinions we disagree on in regards to some topics, but have opinions we agree on in other topics.
Or, I can disagree with someone and have a beer with them and talk about it. Or eat their pizza.
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this community just seems to like to whine about everything.
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On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care?
But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few?
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If the community rejects a company based on the political views of the owner, does this mean the same would be done if the owner was expressing liberal views, or does it mean the SC2 community is associated with a certain political direction?
True every board members here has it's own opinion, but if the teams discriminate in the political opinion of their sponsors this would kinda be a message.
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If we are so thrilled with energy drink and snack food sponsors, that cause a lot more damage to the world than Papa Johns, then why not?
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On May 21 2013 06:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:20 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:18 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we? Nop but it make us look like idiots How so? I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall. Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support? It's great that you don't like their products. That's you expressing your opinion. The problem what I have is with the "business practices." What businesses practices has Papa Johns done that makes you hate them so much? From what I've seen they've never denied service to homosexuals or discriminated while hiring. The argument that they treat their employees like shit applies to almost every multi-million dollar company in the world. Most of them treat them like shit. Papa Johns isn't the only guilty party.
That doesn't matter, as we aren't discussing most companies, and most companies aren't involved in gaming. You can cry double standard all you like, but that is a parameter for discussion that not everyone needs to acknowledge. Some people don't like the way PJ's does business, and whether or not you personally think this opinion is tenable is a non-issue.
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On May 21 2013 06:23 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:20 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:18 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we? Nop but it make us look like idiots How so? I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall. Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support? It's great that you don't like their products. That's you expressing your opinion. The problem what I have is with the "business practices." What businesses practices has Papa Johns done that makes you hate them so much? From what I've seen they've never denied service to homosexuals or discriminated while hiring. The argument that they treat their employees like shit applies to almost every multi-million dollar company in the world. Most of them treat them like shit. Papa Johns isn't the only guilty party.
They treat their workers like shit and pay them next to nothing.
I live in Los Angeles, I don't need to buy fast food from chains that treats their workers like shit, there's far superior alternatives around.
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On May 21 2013 06:23 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:20 Zechs wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid The middle sentence here is so true, and the OP proves that in an alarmingly obvious way. Not really. A LOT of people don't have a problem with PJ, so they're not bending any way for anything, they're just taking advantage of a deal.
Half the US outright supports PJ for what their CEO said one time during the height of a massive public debate. To that half, PJ both supports their views as well as supports esports.
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On May 21 2013 06:20 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:18 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:17 jcroisdale wrote:
I will continue to not eat PJs, and let them spend there money on things I like. We don't have to support the sponsor to take the money do we? Nop but it make us look like idiots How so? I don't drink redbull, hotsix, buy Razer products, or use RaidCall. Where in the "contract" of being a fan and supporter of esports means I have to completely change my consumer habits in order to support companies that either make products I don't like or have business practices I can't support?
Nowhere. Only in "esports" does this matter. Think about football. Does every fan go around buying Samsung phones because they sponsor Chelsea? Ridiculous isn't it? That's not how it works. It increases exposure for the company which leads to an increase in sales. Do not feel compelled to do anything unless you want the thing (ie the pizza).
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On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few?
There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain.
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On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person.
Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents
but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company
try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes"
but no, anyone who criticizes papa john's is just making controversy for the sake of it
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On May 21 2013 06:24 zhurai wrote:
this community just seems to like to whine about everything.
I whine about people whining while whining all while drinking wine that I'm also whining about.
Whineception.
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Well, I saw the announcement earlier and thought I'd just stay out of it as I disagree with their afore discussed principles, but since the topic is here...yeah. A company I don't like sponsoring something I do like does buy some good will, not enough that I'll just ignore all their other actions, but just enough that I wasn't going to post in the announcement thread.
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On May 21 2013 06:19 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:16 Benjamin99 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:12 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Papa Johns has literally did NOTHING but state opinions. Back in the 60s people boycotted businesses for denying services to non-whites not for expressing controversial opinions. Want to know why? Because people are entitled to their opinion. Papa Johns has never done anything heinous like that so you're basically just boycotting them for their opinions rather than their actions. Well isn't that normal for a human being? I know for a fact ill never make friends with people who is expressing opinions so fare from my own moral and ethical beliefs. Well I also try to avoid ass-holes. But you forget there's a whole half country of people that wouldn't agree with you. They weren't be assholes. They were expressing their opinion. Why don't we just put a muzzle on companies and prevent them from having opinions if it makes you feel better. Guess what guys? I'm a liberal, I'm for gay marriage and I'm for ObamaCare? Guess what? I still support Papa Johns because they don't discriminate and merely state opinions.
So, you made a thread trying to white knight a multi million dollar company?
"Papa John" has some fucked up views on some things IMO, and it doesn't matter what percentage of anyone agrees with him lol. Bringing up this 50%! thing is so completely pointless it's actually funny. He's not running for political office, he's having highschool kids make pizzas while he chills on his castle estate. The number of people that agree or disagree with him is inconsequential to absolutely anything.
He's entitled to his opinion. People in this thread are entitled to their own. If they want to boycott him because they think he's a douche they're allowed to. If they want to boycott him because they think he runs a unicorn slaughtering operation from his castle they're allowed to. Who really fucking cares?
Guess what? At the end of the night he's not hurting, I'm sure he sleeps quite well on his stacks of cash and unicorn corpses.
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On May 21 2013 06:27 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person. Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes"[/url
Ok, so don't buy their pizza. Why are you telling us about it? That is the part I don't get. The teams are sponsored by PJ, which is fine. Why do people feel this uncontrollable urge to voice their disapprove of the sponsorship?
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On May 21 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain.
And starbucks is pro same-sex marriage if I remember correctly. And nobody would care if they sponsored a team.
I don't really like the way PJ's owner behaves. But I would also like the SC2 teams to be politically neutral.
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Aww, so many mad non-liberals.
How about an Anti-Papa Johns Appreciation Day modeled off the Chick Fil-A Appreciation Day.
It's that easy. Some people like to raise issues/complain, and yet others like to complain about people complaining.
The world keeps turning.
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On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few?
The opinions of those few, the CEO for one, represents the entire company. For some people, supporting them is supporting the company's opinion by association. Not supporting them for that reason is a personal statement expressing that you don't agree with that company's opinions/statements. When you think of "Papa Johns," you automatically associate that with the CEO and furthermore, the CEO's statements.
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I think it all started when Papa John said he would reduce his worker's hours because of obamacare. People went off on him and then i think it ended up being where he would increase the price of the pizza instead. The restaurant applebees has also threatened to do the same thing as Papa Johns.
Either way, I don't have a problem if someone doesn't want to buy something from a company because of this. People can do whatever they want.
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On May 21 2013 06:30 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain. And starbucks is pro same-sex marriage if I remember correctly. And nobody would care if they sponsored a team. I don't really like the way PJ's owner behaves. But I would also like the SC2 teams to be politically neutral.
People would complain they shut down local coffee shops and abuse coffee bean growers. Never doubt the community's ability to create drama where there is none.
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On May 21 2013 06:30 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? The opinions of those few, the CEO for one, represents the entire company. For some people, supporting them is supporting the company's opinion by association. Not supporting them for that reason is a personal statement expressing that you don't agree with that company's opinions/statements. When you think of "Papa Johns," you automatically associate that with the CEO and furthermore, the CEO's statements.
No. The CEO doesn't own nor does he represent the company. The CEO runs the company under the approval of a Board that chooses the CEO. The CEO doesn't influence company politics he merely runs day-to-day operations and business operations. The people that influence the politics and practices are the Board because they are the ones that choose him.
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Wait treating you own employees with decency and respect is being liberal? Wow In Denmark we call it being human
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The hell do I care about politics. They make pizza I like pizza I eat pizza I support esports.
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On May 21 2013 06:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:27 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person. Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes"[/url Ok, so don't buy their pizza. Why are you telling us about it? That is the part I don't get. The teams are sponsored by PJ, which is fine. Why do people feel this uncontrollable urge to voice their disapprove of the sponsorship?
why do people feel this uncontrollable urge to post "guise i bought 4 pizzas!1" or white knight the company that doesn't give a fuck about them? it is a mystery (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
it's a message board and i'm allowed to post within the ruleset put forward by the administration, and i'm waiting for WCS to start.
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I don't even think we have Papa John's but it seems like a pretty scummy company that we're all suddenly expected to bend over backwards for because people will make money off of it.
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On May 21 2013 06:33 Benjamin99 wrote:Wait treating you own employees with decency and respect is being liberal? Wow In Denmark we call it being human
Way to twist words. So impressive /sarcasm
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On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.
Obamacare is going to raise costs for every company in the US, how is this Papa John's fault? When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. Papa John's is just telling you where the increase is coming from.
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On May 21 2013 06:31 blizzind wrote:
I think it all started when Papa John said he would reduce his worker's hours because of obamacare. People went off on him and then i think it ended up being where he would increase the price of the pizza instead. The restaurant applebees has also threatened to do the same thing as Papa Johns.
Either way, I don't have a problem if someone doesn't want to buy something from a company because of this. People can do whatever they want.
Rising the prices of pizzas is perfectly fine. If he has more expenses stuff gets more expensive. The prices have to cover the costs. On the other hand he still seems to have money over for political campaigns, but the sole fact of increasing prices as a reation to an increase in expenses is not political.
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The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it..
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On May 21 2013 06:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:30 Sandermatt wrote:On May 21 2013 06:26 Plansix wrote:On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? There is nothing about PJ being anti-homosexual. People are confusing that with another fast food chain. And starbucks is pro same-sex marriage if I remember correctly. And nobody would care if they sponsored a team. I don't really like the way PJ's owner behaves. But I would also like the SC2 teams to be politically neutral. People would complain they shut down local coffee shops and abuse coffee bean growers. Never doubt the community's ability to create drama where there is none.
Both of those reasons are legit reasons for an individual to decide not to go to Starbucks anymore. I don't understand the problem you have with that.
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People are going to complain about everything and anything, especially on the internet. No matter what happens you'll find some angst filled, sheltered nerd getting on a soap box and crying foul about some perceived villainy.
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On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer.
twenty five cents
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On May 21 2013 06:33 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:30 Kishin2 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:23 Kishin2 wrote:
It's a form of expression. Not supporting PJ is expressing a disagreement with the ideals and policies associated with PJ. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion through boycott. Why care that other people care about the opinions of PJ, even if you don't care? But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? The opinions of those few, the CEO for one, represents the entire company. For some people, supporting them is supporting the company's opinion by association. Not supporting them for that reason is a personal statement expressing that you don't agree with that company's opinions/statements. When you think of "Papa Johns," you automatically associate that with the CEO and furthermore, the CEO's statements. No. The CEO doesn't own nor does he represent the company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schnatter
You might want to understand what you're talking about first.
He's the founder, CEO, and spokesman. So yes, those are the opinions of the CEO, who does represent the entire company.
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On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few?
You seem to be misunderstanding the point. This is the same kind of crap I was hearing with the Chick-Fil-A stuff that was huge news months ago.
Nobody is saying that these companies or their leaders don't have the right to an opinion. Of course they do -- that's why no one's saying they should be arrested. But the consumers also have a right to exercise their own opinions by choosing not to support a company that they feel doesn't treat people fairly, or whatever the argument is. You're right, those individuals could very easily be fired or leave the company, and if that were to happen I imagine people would begin supporting them again.
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On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs.
If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them.
I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation.
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It's as simple as this: If you disagree with what Papa John's is doing, don't support them. If you don't care, support them or don't support them, it's nobody's business what you actually support or not. Just as I'm entitled to an opinion of not caring what they do financially, it is fine for somebody else to think the opposite. Just don't say either side is wrong because you yourself believe in it. Technically, what Papa John's is doing is legal, and financially sound, but technically it's "morally wrong". You can come up with arguments for both sides, because neither side is right or wrong, it's an opinion!
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On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents
25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.
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It's all about Father Alexander Anderson. We were all supporting him to be the Pope. Johns took his position, that's the matter.
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i just dont like their pizza >.>
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On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation.
But here's what confuses me.
Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco)
This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports)
Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?
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On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation.
In my opinion, people should worry more about a businesses actual practices rather than their opinions. If a business openly discriminates against employees and customers, then it's fine for you to boycott. However, from what I've seen, Papa Johns has done nothing of the like.
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On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.
This post is hilarious.
We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza.
I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company.
I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits.
It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite.
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On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.
i'm not a conservative
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On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?
Because some people value different things.......differently?
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On May 21 2013 06:42 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. In my opinion, people should worry more about a businesses actual practices rather than their opinions. If a business openly discriminates against employees and customers, then it's fine for you to boycott. However, from what I've seen, Papa Johns has done nothing of the like.
Discrimination is one kind of practice I won't support. Not providing proper benefits to your workers is another. The road doesn't end at one issue, there's more than one way a company can lose my business, and when there's a million other ways to get cheap Pizza, I have no qualms whatsoever about not supporting a single pizza place for something like worker benefits.
That's the great thing about being an American. I get to make that choice.
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Because our bodies are temples and Papa Johns is greasy
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On May 21 2013 06:27 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:16 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:12 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:05 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:00 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 05:57 .kv wrote:
have to realize there are people out there that complain just for the sake of complaining no one can ever have a legitimate gripe right it's always just people complaining for the sake of it always the scene is so obsessed with trying to become mainstream~ that it's willing to bend over for any shitty company who waves a couple dollar bills just as papa john's is allowed to have their opinions i'm allowed to have the opinion that this is stupid Wait--so someone who thinks differently than you is not allowed to support things that you also support? they certainly are allowed to but just because they're pandering to us and Evil Geniuses "e-sports" will profit from it doesn't mean everything is suddenly ok Their support of _____ =/= their support (or lack thereof) of Obamacare Just because I dislike one aspect of someone does not mean I should dislike the entirety of a person. Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes"but no, anyone who criticizes papa john's is just making controversy for the sake of it
Relating revenue to unit cost is a fallacy; you can have a $1.2 billion revenue and have a negative net income.
EDIT: I should say from a business standpoint it is completely reasonable to be against a bill that would increase the cost of business. The mistake was in vocalizing the opinion alienating people with different political backgrounds. There's no doubt that other businesses feel the same way as papa johns does, but omit expressing their point of view because of the financial backlash it would cause.
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On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently?
If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me.
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On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?
because i value humans getting insured for basic health care over three teams who are far from struggling (one of which just made enough to buy a house) making more money?
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The OP probably need to ask people if it's ok for businesses to pass the cost of Obamacare over to employees and consumers. Because that's the reason they're getting boycotted. The "why u agaisnt opinions" is just bs imo.
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On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can.
It got nothing to do with money but everything to do with moral and ethical beliefs. I got a question for you if they cant even treat there own employees right how would they treat there costumers when something goes wrong?
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On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite.
Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare.
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On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me.
That's a terrible analogy.
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So the OP's opinions is that the opinion of people who are of the opinion that they shouldn't support a certain other opinion is bad?
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On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it..
I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards
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It's fucking pizza. I don't think anyone should give two shits for or against them. If you want to support e-sports, donate directly. You don't have to buy a god damn pizza to "Help E-sports!!!"
@farvacola
No man, it's a great analogy. Papa Johns is full of Nazis, so it works out. -cough-
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On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards
I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm
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On May 21 2013 06:45 Jindo wrote:
The OP probably need to ask people if it's ok for businesses to pass the cost of Obamacare over to employees and consumers. Because that's the reason they're getting boycotted. The "why u agaisnt opinions" is just bs imo.
Well, passing costs to consumer is something nearly every company does. The reason you pay for a product is so that the company can finance the cost.
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On May 21 2013 06:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare.
It WOULD be a good business practice if they were willing to make that price raise. The fact he bitched and complained about it is what I have a problem with.
Like holy shit it costs you a quarter per pizza to give your workers healthcare and you're going to complain about it?
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On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread.
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On May 21 2013 06:45 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. Yet the liberals are saying it's an example of "bad business practices." Rather it's the result of good business practices. Good for them for being willing to raise prices for the sake of healthcare.
Actually, the math has been done, and it was determined that Schnatter's threats insofar as raising pizza costs to pay for Obamacare were not mathematically sound.
Last year, Papa John’s International captured $1.218 billion in revenue. Total operating expenses were $1.131 billion. So if Schnatter’s math is accurate (Obamacare will cost his company $5-8 million more annually), then new regulation translates into a .4% to .7% (yes, fractions of a percent) expense increase. It’s difficult to set that ratio against the proposed pie increase, given size and topping differentials, but many of their large specialty pizzas run for $16. Remarkably, a 10-14 cent increase on a $16 pizza falls in a comparable range: .6% to.9%. But the cost transference becomes less equitable if you’re looking at medium pizzas, which run closer to $12, meaning a .8% to 1.15% price increase.
For the sake of argument, let’s say that Papa John’s sells exactly half medium/half large specialty pizzas. Averaging the ranges for both sizes, then averaging that product yields a .86% price increase — well outside the range of what Schnatter says Obamacare will cost him.
So how much would prices go up, under these 50/50 conditions, if they were to fairly reflect the increased cost of doing business onset by Obamacare? Update 12/5/12: an earlier version of this story estimated that a fair per pie cost increase to reflect additional expenses due to Obamacare to be 3.4 to 4.6 cents a pie. That was incorrect. The range is 5.6-9.8 cents per pie. This is still absolutely outside the range of proposed pie increases suggested by Schnatter at the time, and, as discussed in the comments, the range gives Schnatter a large benefit-of-the-doubt margin as the estimate assumes all pizzas are sold at specialty prices. In reality, many pizzas sold are at discount or coupon prices, and many pizzas are not specialty pizzas, but in fact cheaper pizzas with fewer toppings. Thanks to Daniel Kirchheimer for noticing the error.
Also, Schnatter is a 25% percent shareholder, and the largest individual holder of shares in the company, so your previous statements as to his not owning any part of the company and him not being it's spokesperson are incorrect.
Breaking Down Centi-Millionaire 'Papa' John Schnatter's Obamacare Math
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On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy.
I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad.
They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil.
But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.
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On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm
Nope I'm the type that just decides for myself what I should do, I have no opinions on others that want to support this sponsor, but the quote i quoted is telling ALL of us to suck it up and support regardless of what we believe in.
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Shouldn't this thread be moved or closed or something? I feel like this will devolve relatively quickly...
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On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm
Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up
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On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy. I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.
Like I already said, people value different things differently. Just because you consider the CEO and spokesperson's previous statements unimportant in light of the companies support of esports does not mean that anyone else need adopt that perspective in any essential sense.
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On May 21 2013 06:48 omnic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread.
You missed the point. Badly. Apologize for reading terribly.
What I mean is that I want to know why people care about the opinions of a company so much. It's their god damn opinion, it's their right to have it. Whether you agree with it or not shouldn't have anything to do with whether you buy their products in my opinion.
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I don't like Papa Johns because their "PIZZAGG" code is only good for pizza and not any other product. I find that to be biased and prejudice. What if I dont like pizza? What if I cant have pizza due to the sauce or something similar such as a allergy?
They have salads and hot wings too you know! Get with the program dammit!
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On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy. I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.
Shut up and take our money!! But where do we take a stand?. Should we take money from Terrorist organisations as well? Since they would be "saving Esport"!!!!
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They make a pretty damn good pizza that I can pick up on the way home from work for a reasonable price, so they have my business regardless of their political opinions.
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On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite.
I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic.
The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit?
Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 BoZiffer wrote:
Shouldn't this thread be moved or closed or something? I feel like this will devolve relatively quickly...
It *has* devolved very quickly. Although thanks for at least thinking we haven't yet 
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Okay, so i like that big companies like this are coming into esports, but I believe the people who are unhappy with Poppa John's are quite justified.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html
The idea that the company is beholden entirely to profit with no regard for the health of their employees or the general public makes me think twice about wanting to support them.
I don't think that esports should be 'politically neutral' because it is something that I am very passionate about and associating itself with anyone and everyone just to make a quick buck is not a good plan. I care where our money comes from because I care about the many american players and fans in the esports community who will benefit from universal healthcare, and I don't think that ignoring these major corporations' political actions will benefit me or anyone else.
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On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm
Oh come off of it.
It isn't like Papa Johns is directly supporting the entire scene, they're supporting two of the already most successful foreign teams in the world as well as a few of their individual players.
Tell you what, you continue supporting e-sports by buying their pizza and I'll keep doing it by supporting the smaller up and coming North American teams by giving them ad revenue on twitch and helping promote their players on twitter.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up
Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:48 omnic wrote:On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread. You missed the point. Badly. Apologize for reading terribly. What I mean is that I want to know why people care about the opinions of a company so much. It's their god damn opinion, it's their right to have it. Whether you agree with it or not shouldn't have anything to do with whether you buy their products in my opinion.
So you would still buy the products of people who are of the opinion that opinions are a good reason not to buy a prodcuct, right?
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On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy. I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people.
You can weigh the good and bad but if you weigh being a dick about your employees and "Obamacare" at say a 50% hit to the company in your eyes. Then you value "Supporting Esports" as a nice thing that doesn't really affect anything in a very meaningful way at say 10% good you're still at 40% hate. People assign different values to different things. They could be weighing the esports thing as a nice little bone but it doesn't undo the previous wrong. People aren't going to value the good and the bad with the same weight, they don't counteract one another.
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On May 21 2013 06:52 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm Oh come off of it. It isn't like Papa Johns is directly supporting the entire scene, they're supporting two of the already most successful foreign teams in the world as well as a few of their individual players. Tell you what, you continue supporting e-sports by buying their pizza and I'll keep doing it by supporting the smaller up and coming North American teams by giving them ad revenue on twitch and helping promote their players on twitter.
You know what drives the big sports leagues? Popular teams. If there was no Michael Jordan, the NBA wouldn't be as popular as it is today. If there was no New York Yankees, MLB wouldn't be so popular. You can't tell me small teams are what drives the popular leagues.
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On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others.
They don't push their Christian views on anyone, I've volunteered there and can personally attest to this as we gave clothing to muslim families and atheists in addition to Christians, totally bereft of any preaching.
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On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards
Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole.
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Papa john's are also notorious for wanting to screw all of their employees out of health coverage. Papa John himself is known to be a pretty standard all for me and only the very least for my ground level workers kind of guy. I'd really much rather any other pizza chain be involved in eSports.
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On May 21 2013 06:54 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:51 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:48 omnic wrote:On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. If you don't care about anything people have to say unless it specifically applies to eSports (a series of communities that have taken a stance against free speech when it comes to their players in the past when what they are talking about have nothing to do with esports) then why the hell are you wasting everybodies time with this thread. You missed the point. Badly. Apologize for reading terribly. What I mean is that I want to know why people care about the opinions of a company so much. It's their god damn opinion, it's their right to have it. Whether you agree with it or not shouldn't have anything to do with whether you buy their products in my opinion. So you would still buy the products of people who are of the opinion that opinions are a good reason not to buy a prodcuct, right?
Sure. If it's a good product.
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On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others.
And why is there a problem with that? I do business with people who's views connect with mine or at least aren't opposed. There's nothing wrong with boycotting the Salvation Army in favor of a charitable organization which doesn't have the blatant downside of pushing religious beliefs.
If more people stopped helping the Salvation army, with some luck, we'd end up with secular charitable organizations which don't discriminate against homosexuals and whatnot.
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On May 21 2013 06:51 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion ... Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. That's a terrible analogy. I'm just showing that its silly for people to hate good things a company does just because at some time in the past they did something bad. They're willing to put money in something I love? I consider that an act of goodness. It doesn't erase their acts of evil, but I will not ignore their acts of good just because I've arbitrarily decided that they're evil. But people in this thread are upset that PJ is putting money into esports because of something he said a year ago. How can americans ever come to an agreement when you people don't weigh in the goods and bads of other people. Shut up and take our money!! But where do we take a stand?. Should we take money from Terrorist organisations as well? Since they would be "saving Esport"!!!!
Every person can take a stand for their own well being.
If you don't like papa johns or terrorists, don't support them.
If EG and TL don't mind papa johns or terrorist--don't lambaste them for having their own opinions.
I like that papa johns will give money to EG and TL. Does that mean I'll buy their pizza? No. But I like that something I love is loved by others and I appreciate that sentiment. I appreciate that such a money hungry sob is willing to take a chance and spend money on TL. I like that someone who is so concerned about making money trusts in TL and EG that much.
I still won't buy their pizzas, but I'm not going to ignore that what they're doing is very much appreciated.
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I'm a satanist/communist from the east coast, so there's where I run into problems with Papa Johns, and most big corporations come to think of it.
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I think the issue was touched on by a lot of people but never really fleshed out.
If you have high-ranking people in a company that hold certain offensive views, including the CEO, you generally try not to associate with that company because you don't want to be associated with those views. But why you ask?
I think the main reason why, is because generally speaking beliefs don't exist in a vacuum. They alter people's behaviour, such that they have direct and indirect effects that can cause harm. For example, if a homophobic sentiment were widely held by the American population, it would directly lead to the resentment of gays which would be damaging to them (i.e. they would effectively be outcasted) and therefore the cohesion of society - and indirectly we're not sure; but it would likely be the major catalyst behind any actions that might be taken that actually punish gays in some way solely because of their sexual orientation.
So I think that's the deeper reason behind why; the world isn't perfectly divided between harmless beliefs and actions; that would be an innocent and naive view of the world. Note that we aren't doing anything illegal here; but we are actively trying to prevent supporting opinions that could lead to serious problems in the future if they were openly embraced by large numbers of people.
The more people take a stand, the more likely it is that pressure would be placed on organizations to change their stance, and in turn we could create a better society.
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I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
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On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole.
No you just made yourself look like a terrible person.
On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
Well, if you don't like someone (Papa Johns in this case) then why would you want to give them any money at all, assuming you dislike them passionately? It's not completely irrelevant. Just because Team Liquid or EG or whatever might get a slice of the (pizza) pie doesn't mean I want to give anything to Papa Johns. Not that I personally care a huge amount about pizza or Papa Johns, or even supporting TL, Root, EG, e-sports.
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On May 21 2013 06:55 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others. They don't push their Christian views on anyone, I've volunteered there and can personally attest to this as we gave clothing to muslim families and atheists in addition to Christians, totally bereft of any preaching.
They have been accused of doing such practices. Maybe not in your part of the organization, but the organization as a whole isn't perfect. However, I still support organizations like the Salvation Army nonetheless because of how much the good overrides the ugly.
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On May 21 2013 06:52 StayPhrosty wrote:Okay, so i like that big companies like this are coming into esports, but I believe the people who are unhappy with Poppa John's are quite justified. http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.htmlThe idea that the company is beholden entirely to profit with no regard for the health of their employees or the general public makes me think twice about wanting to support them. I don't think that esports should be 'politically neutral' because it is something that I am very passionate about and associating itself with anyone and everyone just to make a quick buck is not a good plan. I care where our money comes from because I care about the many american players and fans in the esports community who will benefit from universal healthcare, and I don't think that ignoring these major corporations' political actions will benefit me or anyone else.
And what makes you think other companies don't feel the exact same way as PJ does? They're just smart enough not to jump into politics polarizing their image to customers who don't agree. You boycott PJ and the company you're giving money to instead probably feels the exact same way about the bill as PJ does.
You raise the marginal cost of any business and they'll raise their price and/or cut production.
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On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others.
Why yes, yes I do boycott the Salvation Army because of their views. Holy shit! So do other people and that's their fucking right! How is this hard to grasp? You can have your opinion, if you want to openly throw it around and I think it's trash I might decide the world would be a better place if you didn't get a dime from me ever again. This seriously can't be this hard to understand.
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On May 21 2013 06:52 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic. The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit? Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees.
Sorry but why the fuck should you get healthcare coverage for making pizza. Maybe the driver....
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On May 21 2013 06:54 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:47 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards I guess you're the type to be hipster. Because being hipster worked so well for the Counter-Strike scene. /sarcasm Oh come off of it. It isn't like Papa Johns is directly supporting the entire scene, they're supporting two of the already most successful foreign teams in the world as well as a few of their individual players. Tell you what, you continue supporting e-sports by buying their pizza and I'll keep doing it by supporting the smaller up and coming North American teams by giving them ad revenue on twitch and helping promote their players on twitter. You know what drives the big sports leagues? Popular teams. If there was no Michael Jordan, the NBA wouldn't be as popular as it is today. If there was no New York Yankees, MLB wouldn't be so popular. You can't tell me small teams are what drives the popular leagues.
I don't need to buy Papa Johns Pizza to support EG and TL. I do that already just by being here on TL, buying their shirts, pre-ordering HoTS through their Amazon link and watching major tournament streams through TL's sidebar.
I can just as easily boycott Papa Johns and continue to support TL. EG and SC2 while doing so. Trying to guilt trip people into supporting Papa Johns because "OMG ESPORTS" is stupid, they're just another avenue out of for people to lend their support.
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On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter?
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so i read that forbes link on the earlier pages and it was mentioned that this guy actually owns only 25% of the company. what if the other 75% had the opposite opinion? would people still boycott papa john's? where would u draw the line?
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On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person.
No he just told the truth and don't act like you or most of the people in this thread do the same thing. I do the same thing. Quit acting like you're a saint or anyone else in the thread is a saint.
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On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole.
Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people...
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On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
You are clearly too absorbed in your ideology of not associating consumer actions with social issues.
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On May 21 2013 06:58 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic. The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit? Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees. Sorry but why the fuck should you get healthcare coverage for making pizza. Maybe the driver....
You're Canadian, you get healthcare coverage for not doing shit. Why should you?
Because it's a good idea to not let people die, we're not beasts. Maybe you are...
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On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person.
How?
Because he uses cell phones, buys clothes and eats meat?
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Why would I want to support anything that actively aids the sales of papa john pizza's, which indirectly is used for there lobbying.
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On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole.
You seem to think you have a point here. Instead, I'm mildly bored thata you would even attempt to advocate one wrong by pointing to others that we do. You would have us think that it makes no difference and me may as well support every awful thing because we already support some? You might not be hypocritical, or an internet asshole; but your thinking here is preposterous.
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On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people...
Shut up and take our money!
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On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter?
Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that.
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On May 21 2013 06:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others. They don't push their Christian views on anyone, I've volunteered there and can personally attest to this as we gave clothing to muslim families and atheists in addition to Christians, totally bereft of any preaching. They have been accused of doing such practices. Maybe not in your part of the organization, but the organization as a whole isn't perfect. However, I still support organizations like the Salvation Army nonetheless because of how much the good overrides the ugly.
Also a bunch of anti-gay and trans stuff.
Basically, they weren't the best example to use.
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On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person.
The point is we all are, and you can fight your pointless battles to make yourself feel better but your mere existence is categorically bad for the earth.
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On May 21 2013 06:58 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic. The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit? Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees. Sorry but why the fuck should you get healthcare coverage for making pizza. Maybe the driver....
Because people who make pizzas get sick too...?
Seriously, I've read some pretty dumb shit on the internet over the years, but this one stands out.
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On May 21 2013 06:58 zev318 wrote:
so i read that forbes link on the earlier pages and it was mentioned that this guy actually owns only 25% of the company. what if the other 75% had the opposite opinion? would people still boycott papa john's? where would u draw the line?
but the shareholders choose the CEO, so they agree with his public opinions by default.
On May 21 2013 06:58 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic. The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit? Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees. Sorry but why the fuck should you get healthcare coverage for making pizza. Maybe the driver....
people who only deliver pizza dont deserve to be able to use 911. they should ask for your social security number when you call up to make sure to give you the level of service you are worth.
/s
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On May 21 2013 06:58 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic. The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit? Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees. Sorry but why the fuck should you get healthcare coverage for making pizza. Maybe the driver....
Yeah, our children and young adults don't deserve doctors! Fuck them! If they're not driving then they don't really deserve basic human rights... /sarcasm
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On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people...
Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm*
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On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that.
You know John did campaigning and fundraising for Romney in part because he promised to repeal Obamacare before it took effect, right?
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On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that.
Telling American voters that you'll raise the cost of their pizza by an undue margin if a particular political candidate gets elected is an ACTION.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 zev318 wrote:
so i read that forbes link on the earlier pages and it was mentioned that this guy actually owns only 25% of the company. what if the other 75% had the opposite opinion? would people still boycott papa john's? where would u draw the line? but the shareholders choose the CEO, so they agree with his public opinions by default.
No they don't. They agree with his business practices, not with his opinions. *Facepalm*
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On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that.
oh so the pizza gift and the financement of Romney campaign by the guy who's the CEO, spokeman and owns 25% of the company didn't happen?
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On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people...
If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life.
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On May 21 2013 07:02 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that. oh so the pizza gift and the financement of Romney campaign by the guy who's the CEO, spokeman and owns 25% of the company didn't happen?
He's totally ignoring the fact that Schnatter is 25% owner and spokesperson, methinks his "Business Practice 101" didn't cover such a thing.
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On May 21 2013 07:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person. How? Because he uses cell phones, buys clothes and eats meat?
are you serious?
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On May 21 2013 07:02 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that. Telling American voters that you'll raise the cost of their pizza by an undue margin if a particular political candidate gets elected is an ACTION.
Not a candidate. A bill. And that bill did indeed cut into the profits of Papa Johns so they were in their full right to raise the price. And it's not like it was by much. It was 25 CENTS. 25 CENTS WON'T KILL PEOPLE.
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I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm*
And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable.
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On May 21 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life.
hitler helped the economy by forcing a transition into war industry (+ infrastructure work that wouldn't have been enough), so he fixed the german economy but had to launch a war. Ironically it enable the US to recover from the crisis a few years later, war is really profitable for your economy as long as you don't destroy your own territory.
Tho you've a point even tough the historical analogy is terrible.
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On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote:
But here's what confuses me.
Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco)
This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports)
Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past?
Some people may have missed the Papa Johns story last year and are only hearing it for the first time now. And some probably were mad last year as well, but you wouldn't expect Papa Johns to be as big of a talking point on a major eSports forum before they became relevant to eSports.
Again, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other - I just don't understand the confusion about the opposition. It's really simple that some people want the scene to grow, but not at the expense of having it connected to what they see as an immoral financier.
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On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
I still prefer to do businesses which don't actively push toward the wrong side.
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On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
A quiet political opinion and a loud political opinion are entirely different, that's what politics are all about.
And @OP, Schnatter threatened these cost raises if Obama was re-elected, not if Obamacare was passed. The American public does not vote on federal legislative issues.
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On May 21 2013 07:03 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:02 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 07:00 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:58 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
giving money to a company that endorses and sponsors certain opinions is relevant. Or I could sell you some wonderful afghan products directly financing the talibans, but, hey, it doesn't matter? Papa Johns doesn't directly finance efforts to curb Obama Care or Gay marriage. Terrible comparison. There's a difference between ACTION and OPINIONS. You clearly don't understand that. oh so the pizza gift and the financement of Romney campaign by the guy who's the CEO, spokeman and owns 25% of the company didn't happen? He's totally ignoring the fact that Schnatter is 25% owner and spokesperson, methinks his "Business Practice 101" didn't cover such a thing.
methinks a lot of stuff aren't covered by the memo he received to defend Papa john. Tho now i'm hungry and there is no way to eat a pizza while asian ppl are going to own white dudes QQ
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I think you have a right to question companies based on their monetary support on both sides of the spectrum. If you're basically saying that a stable company supporting Esports can do whatever they want, think about Westboro Baptist Church or Brazzers investing into Esports and see how you feel about it.
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God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
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Some people are so stupid.
Obviously the extra tax for healthcare is going to raise prices....25cents extra is NOT A LOT EXTRA TO PAY SO EVERYONE CAN GET HEALTHCARE.
People complaining that papa johns raised their prices by 25cents just beyond selfish and cheap it is so sad some people will complain about 25 cent....not to mention they are giving us a big discount with the promo code.
When you tax things....prices go up. If you tax oil companies more.....gas prices will just go up (poor people can not longer afford gas, but the environment is cleaner). If you increase taxes on owning cows....milk prices go up (less quantity of milk purchased, but less methane in the atmosphere).
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On May 21 2013 07:03 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person. How? Because he uses cell phones, buys clothes and eats meat? are you serious?
Cell phones, clothes, and meat are pretty much all run by companies that do corrupt and terrible things. But he likes cellphones, clothes, and eating meat--so he's okay with that.
How is he terrible for liking things that most people in the US also like? Such as cellphones, computers, clothing, and food?
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Godwin's Law rings true again, and the debate is effectively over.
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On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable.
Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101.
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On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
Dude we got no problem creating successfull companies in Denmark while at the same time treating you employees with respect and decency
Problem with American companies like the one in question is greed and lack of respect for other people.
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On May 21 2013 07:06 Jinsho wrote:
God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
And this post does nothing but seek self-validation of your own pathetic existence. Clearly, even your enlightened self is not above the garbage spewing.
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The right to have and voice an opinion is not a duty for everybody else to like that opinion. That is a popular misconception. The more freedom of opinion there is, the more important it is that people don't shut up about opinions they don't like. Otherwise there would be no discussion and opinions would be pointless.
And of course words uttered by people, especially by respectable, high-status people, have an effect on other people and on culture and society in general. Repeating the word "opinion" over and over doesn't make those effects go away.
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On May 21 2013 07:07 JDub wrote:
Godwin's Law rings true again, and the debate is effectively over.
we have to buy more pizza for esports or the nazis will win
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On May 21 2013 07:07 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable. Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101.
Go back to your history class please. And tell me more about world expansion from Hitler after it.
Even your first point is controversial. (well nowadays it's pretty much considered as false by most of the historians but it hasn't reach mainstream history too much)
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On May 21 2013 07:07 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:06 Jinsho wrote:
God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
And this post does nothing but seek self-validation of your own pathetic existence. Clearly, even your enlightened self is not above the garbage spewing.
What part of the post didn't you agree with?
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On May 21 2013 07:07 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it. Dude we got no problem creating successfull companies in Denmark while at the same time treating you employees with respect and decency Problem with American companies like the one in question is greed and lack of respect for other people.
You like stereotyping people don't you? You honestly think it makes your argument stronger? It only makes you like a douche. No offense.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm*
Yeah, because telling a dying person you don't want them to have a doctor isn't "technically" killing them, so it's totally cool.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/08/1117876/-Vote-for-Romney-or-we-ll-raise-our-prices
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On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person. Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
Well, if you don't like someone (Papa Johns in this case) then why would you want to give them any money at all, assuming you dislike them passionately? It's not completely irrelevant. Just because Team Liquid or EG or whatever might get a slice of the (pizza) pie doesn't mean I want to give anything to Papa Johns. Not that I personally care a huge amount about pizza or Papa Johns, or even supporting TL, Root, EG, e-sports.
With regards to your first comment, that's not being terrible, that's basically being an American.
As for your response to me, I'd like to ask a question of my own? Why does someone else's opinion that you disagree with have such a profound effect on you that you refuse to buy the products that company represents? Its pretty near-sighted IMO to hate someone so vehemently because you don't see eye to eye on a social issue to the point that you can't buy the product that the company makes. I can imagine a lot of the people that work there probably have the same opinion as you do. Are we punishing all those people too?
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Drop the Hitler/Godwin's law bullshit before it's too late and get back on topic.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 StayPhrosty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 21 2013 06:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic. The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit? Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees. Sorry but why the fuck should you get healthcare coverage for making pizza. Maybe the driver.... Yeah, our children and young adults don't deserve doctors! Fuck them! If they're not driving then they don't really deserve basic human rights... /sarcasm
It's simply not a business's responsibility to worry about social costs in business, that's the government's (and by proxy the voter's) responsibility. You'll NEVER see a company lobby for higher regulations of business. The opinion of a business is by structure to be solely concerned with minimizing costs and maximizing profits.
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On May 21 2013 07:05 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life. hitler helped the economy by forcing a transition into war industry (+ infrastructure work that wouldn't have been enough), so he fixed the german economy but had to launch a war. Ironically it enable the US to recover from the crisis a few years later, war is really profitable for your economy as long as you don't destroy your own territory. Tho you've a point even tough the historical analogy is terrible.
Hence why I didn't say his name. The specifics of the matter don't matter to me (+ Show Spoiler +I don't actually think Hitler helped the economy all that much from what I've read, but that's irrelevant
What matters to me is the philosophical implications of hating a good action because of the history of a person instead of being happy that a bad person is still capable of doing good things.
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On May 21 2013 07:07 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable. Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101.
Uh yeah, the thing about that is that the whole taking over the world thing also involved quite a bit of killing. Hence the somewhat tempestuous reaction. The response was according to the crime, holocaust or no. And so is a boycott. No one is talking about trying to seriously hurt PJ's, it's about making a point.
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On May 21 2013 05:41 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. Fair enough, but as a consumer you are also entitled to an opinion, and I believe that one should try not to consume products from a company that conflicts with his or her core values. Buying a product is a form of endorsement, you "vote with your wallet".
very well said
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On May 21 2013 07:10 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:07 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 07:06 Jinsho wrote:
God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
And this post does nothing but seek self-validation of your own pathetic existence. Clearly, even your enlightened self is not above the garbage spewing. What part of the post didn't you agree with?
All of it. Having opinions and airing them in public is part of being human, as are the considerations that one's consumer actions have palpable political effects. The holier-than-thou "this is not an opinion" mixed with vitriolic language just makes it all the worse.
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On May 21 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:05 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life. hitler helped the economy by forcing a transition into war industry (+ infrastructure work that wouldn't have been enough), so he fixed the german economy but had to launch a war. Ironically it enable the US to recover from the crisis a few years later, war is really profitable for your economy as long as you don't destroy your own territory. Tho you've a point even tough the historical analogy is terrible. Hence why I didn't say his name. The specifics of the matter don't matter to me ( + Show Spoiler +I don't actually think Hitler helped the economy all that much from what I've read, but that's irrelevant ) What matters to me is the philosophical implications of hating a good action because of the history of a person instead of being happy that a bad person is still capable of doing good things.
My bad for putting words into your mouth.
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On May 21 2013 06:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others. They don't push their Christian views on anyone, I've volunteered there and can personally attest to this as we gave clothing to muslim families and atheists in addition to Christians, totally bereft of any preaching. They have been accused of doing such practices. Maybe not in your part of the organization, but the organization as a whole isn't perfect. However, I still support organizations like the Salvation Army nonetheless because of how much the good overrides the ugly.
Equating the Salvation Army to Papa John's in terms of the "good" each provides is quite silly.
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On May 21 2013 07:09 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:07 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable. Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101. Go back to your history class please. And tell me more about world expansion from Hitler after it.
To be more specific, the allies were afraid their economic dominance over the world would dissipate due to the rise of Germany. Germany did take over most of Europe. They were afraid that Germany would rise to be the world economic power. Thus, the allies banded together to take down such a threat to their economic prosperity. Gradually after the war the European colonies became smaller as Europe was literally in smithereens. They did not have the capital or resources to hold the colonies. Thus, African and Asian nations rose from the ashes of the WW2.
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As I posted somewhere else earlier:
On May 21 2013 05:12 ragz_gt wrote:
I don't care about their political whatever, but their pizza is pretty bad.
The only thing that ever give me heartburn, no other pizza does it, but Papa John manage to get it done everytime.
The topping is decent, and you do get alot, but their sauce / cheese is yucky.
And the dough is very crumbly / greasy for some reason.
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The people who dislike Papa Johns should just email them lies, saying they will be buying a pizza everyday just because they sponsor esports, tricking them into giving even more money to esports, while in reality they aren't getting any return on their investment. This way esports is saved and evil company is harmed. Muwhaahah
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All I'm going to say in this thread is that it DOES matter what sponsors do. I sure as hell wouldn't want Abercrombie & Fitch to announce an E-sports sponsorship after the latest update from them. Some people actually have morals and don't want companies that don't supporting something they love.
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Apparently this thread is not working out. Impressive how fast this turned into a Hitler debate.
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