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yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 22:05:23
May 20 2013 20:31 GMT
#1
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?

From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?

Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.

Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.

Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.

Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.

And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.

Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm

DON'T YOU DARE COMPARE PAPA JOHNS TO HITLER. Hitler acted on his opinions. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. You people really don't get my point, do you? *Facepalm*
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HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
May 20 2013 20:34 GMT
#2
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.
yo
Aristotle7
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States120 Posts
May 20 2013 20:35 GMT
#3
Because most kids are liberals, and Papa Johns isn't. QED
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Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
May 20 2013 20:37 GMT
#4
Erg, well, I just don't like PJ's pizza nearly as much as pretty much any other pizza company.

Idk about these claims being made, but as far as I'm concerned, if they are TRUE, then people have a reason to be angry. Doesn't affect me at all but I wouldn't be bothered by other people getting all riled up about it.

As for speculations against PJ, speculations are worthless and should be treated so until people come up with solid evidence and PJ does not come up with the proper response.
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yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 20:38:51
May 20 2013 20:37 GMT
#5
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
May 20 2013 20:41 GMT
#6
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.

Fair enough, but as a consumer you are also entitled to an opinion, and I believe that one should try not to consume products from a company that conflicts with his or her core values. Buying a product is a form of endorsement, you "vote with your wallet".
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
May 20 2013 20:41 GMT
#7
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.

You may not be here to discuss politics, but that's the reason people are upset with them. Just general moral principles like "I don't want to support X company because they do X". It's well within their rights, but I still don't understand the uproar for this promotion going on. Just chill the fuck out and do or don't order half price pizza, end it there.
Refer to my post.
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 20:42 GMT
#8
On May 21 2013 05:35 Aristotle7 wrote:
Because most kids are liberals, and Papa Johns isn't. QED


I find this ironic. Aren't liberals the ones that should be touting "I HAVE A RIGHT TO AN OPINION" They're the ones that yap the most. That right that they're trying to take away from companies like Papa Johns is the same one that's driving their agendas.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 20 2013 20:43 GMT
#9
so papa johns is killing esport or not ? that is the real question
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Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 20 2013 20:45 GMT
#10
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.

This guy doesn't care so why the fuck should we!

Personally it's no fray for me but any thinking man would find PJ's a bit ridiculous for their position on Obamacare.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 20 2013 20:45 GMT
#11
The real reason. TL loves drama and drama loves EG. People want to be faux outraged about something that pizza is what they have chosen today. Tomorrow it will be something else.

It comes down to "My opinion is important and I will tell you it because this is the internet." Before, we just didn't buy the pizza and ate pasta for dinner.
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zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 20:47:35
May 20 2013 20:45 GMT
#12
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.

Not everyone shares your commitments, so of course their opinions will differ from yours.
Arguing that people shouldn't care about sponsors' actions is arguing politics.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
May 20 2013 20:45 GMT
#13
On May 21 2013 05:43 Makro wrote:
so papa johns is killing esport or not ? that is the real question

I know this isn't a serious question - but considering this is the only thing they have done with esports, anybody that says they're killing esports needs a mallet taken to the head for a quick fix
Refer to my post.
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
May 20 2013 20:46 GMT
#14
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.

So you don't care whatever Papa John's does yet you don't understand why people don't support PJ's? That makes sense.
yo
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 20:47 GMT
#15
On May 21 2013 05:41 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.

You may not be here to discuss politics, but that's the reason people are upset with them. Just general moral principles like "I don't want to support X company because they do X". It's well within their rights, but I still don't understand the uproar for this promotion going on. Just chill the fuck out and do or don't order half price pizza, end it there.


I understand that yet the community pulls a blind eye towards EG's tendencies to buy out the best or most personal players (which is borderline monopoly), Blizzard's tendencies to completely monopolize eSports (forcing other tournaments to schedule around them; basically killing NASL), eSports organizations tendencies to withhold prize money for extremely long periods of time, etc.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 20:49 GMT
#16
On May 21 2013 05:46 HelloSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare.


Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them.

So you don't care whatever Papa John's does yet you don't understand why people don't support PJ's? That makes sense.


Missed the point. I said I don't understand why people care so much about what PJ does or what their opinions are. It's NONE of their business and as I've said repeatedly people AND companies are entitled their opinions. I don't understand why people are just demonizing Papa Johns for stating their opinion. Plus, they're acting like their opinion is the popular. You forget that half of the USA still agrees with Papa Johns.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 20:54:16
May 20 2013 20:49 GMT
#17
This is the short of it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/calebmelby/2012/11/12/breaking-down-centi-millionaire-papa-john-schnatters-obamacare-math/

Basically, because needing to pay for healthcare for his employees would cut into their profit by .4-.7%, he was going to do mass hour reductions so he wouldn't have to provide it. This was after campaigning and fundraising for Mitt Romney, who was publicly against universal healthcare and a number of other human rights issues.

EDIT: The CEO gave away 2 million pizzas as part of a promotion prior to that, so it wasn't about maximizing profit.
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yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
May 20 2013 20:50 GMT
#18
Does anyone have a source on Papa John's homophobic statements?

If not you need to remove that from your first post. Just leaving it in there implies that there are legitimate accusations.
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 20:50 GMT
#19
On May 21 2013 05:45 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 05:43 Makro wrote:
so papa johns is killing esport or not ? that is the real question

I know this isn't a serious question - but considering this is the only thing they have done with esports, anybody that says they're killing esports needs a mallet taken to the head for a quick fix


This isn't their first time. The earliest instance I've seen them in eSports is with COD (I don't care if you don't consider it an eSport).
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
yeeshdontjudgeme
Profile Joined August 2012
146 Posts
May 20 2013 20:51 GMT
#20
On May 21 2013 05:50 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
Does anyone have a source on Papa John's homophobic statements?

If not you need to remove that from your first post. Just leaving it in there implies that there are legitimate accusations.


I'm only stating them because people have used that as a reason why they don't support Papa Johns.
I'm a strict equalist. If a female wants to be treated equal to men, then that smack they just delivered will be returned promptly.
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