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On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable.
Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101.
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On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it.
Dude we got no problem creating successfull companies in Denmark while at the same time treating you employees with respect and decency
Problem with American companies like the one in question is greed and lack of respect for other people.
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On May 21 2013 07:06 Jinsho wrote:
God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
And this post does nothing but seek self-validation of your own pathetic existence. Clearly, even your enlightened self is not above the garbage spewing.
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The right to have and voice an opinion is not a duty for everybody else to like that opinion. That is a popular misconception. The more freedom of opinion there is, the more important it is that people don't shut up about opinions they don't like. Otherwise there would be no discussion and opinions would be pointless.
And of course words uttered by people, especially by respectable, high-status people, have an effect on other people and on culture and society in general. Repeating the word "opinion" over and over doesn't make those effects go away.
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On May 21 2013 07:07 JDub wrote:
Godwin's Law rings true again, and the debate is effectively over.
we have to buy more pizza for esports or the nazis will win
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On May 21 2013 07:07 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable. Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101.
Go back to your history class please. And tell me more about world expansion from Hitler after it.
Even your first point is controversial. (well nowadays it's pretty much considered as false by most of the historians but it hasn't reach mainstream history too much)
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On May 21 2013 07:07 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:06 Jinsho wrote:
God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
And this post does nothing but seek self-validation of your own pathetic existence. Clearly, even your enlightened self is not above the garbage spewing.
What part of the post didn't you agree with?
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On May 21 2013 07:07 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:04 emythrel wrote:
I used to run a PJ's in the UK. They are actually a great company to work for, I even met Papa John himself, who was a nice guy. I dont agree with his views on many things but that doesn't make him a bad guy, we had 2 gay guys working for us and he was perfectly nice to them and complimented them on their work (as they were making orders at the time).
Most large companies are opposed to obamacare, whether they say it or not. Businesses never want extra expenses, if you don't understand that then u dont understand how the world works. Its the same reason why jobs get shipped off to foreign lands, because it is cheaper. The only way to keep jobs is to be on the leading edge, to be doing things no one else can do yet. Healthcare will always be opposed by large companies until you stupid yanks do what the rest of the civilized world has done and socialise healthcare... until then stop complaining that companies don't want the extra expense... OF COURSE THEY DONT. You don't have to agree with a company or person's politics to use their products.... i promise you that every company u buy from has some practice or view that you are opposed to... they just stay quiet about it. Dude we got no problem creating successfull companies in Denmark while at the same time treating you employees with respect and decency Problem with American companies like the one in question is greed and lack of respect for other people.
You like stereotyping people don't you? You honestly think it makes your argument stronger? It only makes you like a douche. No offense.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm*
Yeah, because telling a dying person you don't want them to have a doctor isn't "technically" killing them, so it's totally cool.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/08/1117876/-Vote-for-Romney-or-we-ll-raise-our-prices
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On May 21 2013 06:57 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. No you just made yourself look like a terrible person. Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:56 Wingblade wrote:
I feel like Americans(maybe others too, but I know this for sure in America), are so absorbed in their ideologies and opinions on topics that might not even affect them that they let that disrupt their ability to do certain things that are completely unrelated to the problem itself. The social issue of gay marriage should have no effecton your ability to eat Chick Fil A or Papa Johns. Eating the chicken or the pizza is completely irrelevant to the issue itself.
Well, if you don't like someone (Papa Johns in this case) then why would you want to give them any money at all, assuming you dislike them passionately? It's not completely irrelevant. Just because Team Liquid or EG or whatever might get a slice of the (pizza) pie doesn't mean I want to give anything to Papa Johns. Not that I personally care a huge amount about pizza or Papa Johns, or even supporting TL, Root, EG, e-sports.
With regards to your first comment, that's not being terrible, that's basically being an American.
As for your response to me, I'd like to ask a question of my own? Why does someone else's opinion that you disagree with have such a profound effect on you that you refuse to buy the products that company represents? Its pretty near-sighted IMO to hate someone so vehemently because you don't see eye to eye on a social issue to the point that you can't buy the product that the company makes. I can imagine a lot of the people that work there probably have the same opinion as you do. Are we punishing all those people too?
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Drop the Hitler/Godwin's law bullshit before it's too late and get back on topic.
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On May 21 2013 07:01 StayPhrosty wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:58 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 21 2013 06:52 Djzapz wrote:On May 21 2013 06:42 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:38 suicideyear wrote:On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. I don't know. I'm what Americans strangely call a "liberal" because I'm on the left, and I'm opposed to this "25c". Dummies don't understand that it actually has nothing to do with the 25 cents, people couldn't care less about 25 cents. It's entirely symbolic. The reason why I don't like it is because of how seemingly angry he was about having to pay for its underpaid employees's healthcare. The big guy, he can check himself into the best hospitals and get top 0.1% world class doctors and surgeons on his case. His employees, they'd die from being uninsured and he'd never hear about it. And he has the guts to come out and publicly and denounce this humanitarian push in the name of profit? Raise your prices if you want to but don't publicly announce that you're doing it for disgusting reasons. Now we all know that Papa John's prices were raised because he can't be bothered to even pretend that he gives a fuck about the well-being of his employees. Sorry but why the fuck should you get healthcare coverage for making pizza. Maybe the driver.... Yeah, our children and young adults don't deserve doctors! Fuck them! If they're not driving then they don't really deserve basic human rights... /sarcasm
It's simply not a business's responsibility to worry about social costs in business, that's the government's (and by proxy the voter's) responsibility. You'll NEVER see a company lobby for higher regulations of business. The opinion of a business is by structure to be solely concerned with minimizing costs and maximizing profits.
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On May 21 2013 07:05 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life. hitler helped the economy by forcing a transition into war industry (+ infrastructure work that wouldn't have been enough), so he fixed the german economy but had to launch a war. Ironically it enable the US to recover from the crisis a few years later, war is really profitable for your economy as long as you don't destroy your own territory. Tho you've a point even tough the historical analogy is terrible.
Hence why I didn't say his name. The specifics of the matter don't matter to me (+ Show Spoiler +I don't actually think Hitler helped the economy all that much from what I've read, but that's irrelevant
What matters to me is the philosophical implications of hating a good action because of the history of a person instead of being happy that a bad person is still capable of doing good things.
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On May 21 2013 07:07 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable. Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101.
Uh yeah, the thing about that is that the whole taking over the world thing also involved quite a bit of killing. Hence the somewhat tempestuous reaction. The response was according to the crime, holocaust or no. And so is a boycott. No one is talking about trying to seriously hurt PJ's, it's about making a point.
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On May 21 2013 05:41 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 05:37 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 05:34 HelloSon wrote:
I'm going to assume you know nothing about them charging an extra 25c for Obamacare. Source? Plus, I'm going to tell you that I don't care. That has nothing to do with eSports. I'm not here to argue politics. I'm just here to wonder why the community cares so much about what the sponsors do? It's none of their business. In my opinion, the community should be grateful that a company as large as Papa Johns is supporting them. Fair enough, but as a consumer you are also entitled to an opinion, and I believe that one should try not to consume products from a company that conflicts with his or her core values. Buying a product is a form of endorsement, you "vote with your wallet".
very well said
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On May 21 2013 07:10 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:07 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 07:06 Jinsho wrote:
God you people people are obnoxiously dumb. None of this matters. Do or don't buy a pizza from PJ, it will not change a single thing whether you think it is right or wrong.
The point is not whether you do or do not buy a pizza from PJ. The point is that you will buy a pizza from someone, and feel good about it. Because you have been raised to be a good pizza eater, and to learn your political opinions from someone else.
And thus merely the mention of pizza and politics completely throws you, off. You the trained dogs, who like Pavlov's original salivating mutts just CAN'T control yourselves, you HAVE to vomit your uneducated rubbish all over the place, are going completely off the original track.
This is a powerful sponsor entering Sports, a thing which you presumably like. You have a strong opinion for or against them? Nobody in the entire world cares. Your reddit posts and tumblr quotes are not going to change a single little thing. How about you guys give the money straight to the teams you are supporting? Buy their hoodies maybe? Their gear? Email their sponsors and tell them you love their gear because EG/TL pros are using it.
Don't fucking buy a pizza and then spew garbage all over the place because that is not helping anyone, it is just validating your pathetic existences.
And this post does nothing but seek self-validation of your own pathetic existence. Clearly, even your enlightened self is not above the garbage spewing. What part of the post didn't you agree with?
All of it. Having opinions and airing them in public is part of being human, as are the considerations that one's consumer actions have palpable political effects. The holier-than-thou "this is not an opinion" mixed with vitriolic language just makes it all the worse.
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On May 21 2013 07:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:05 sAsImre wrote:On May 21 2013 07:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... If someone helps the economy and then does something bad--you don't hate him for helping the economy. You accept that his practices helped the economy, and you accept that he was an evil person. We don't ignore the achievements simply because he failed at some point in his life. hitler helped the economy by forcing a transition into war industry (+ infrastructure work that wouldn't have been enough), so he fixed the german economy but had to launch a war. Ironically it enable the US to recover from the crisis a few years later, war is really profitable for your economy as long as you don't destroy your own territory. Tho you've a point even tough the historical analogy is terrible. Hence why I didn't say his name. The specifics of the matter don't matter to me ( + Show Spoiler +I don't actually think Hitler helped the economy all that much from what I've read, but that's irrelevant ) What matters to me is the philosophical implications of hating a good action because of the history of a person instead of being happy that a bad person is still capable of doing good things.
My bad for putting words into your mouth.
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On May 21 2013 06:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:55 farvacola wrote:On May 21 2013 06:53 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:51 darthfoley wrote:On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports?
From what I heard, officials at Papa Johns have expressed controversial opinions such as not supporting "ObamaCare" or universal health-care or have been accused of being anti-homosexual. Whether it's true or not is not what I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why in the hell does this community care?
Papa Johns has supported eSports in the past and is supporting it today so this isn't their first time their dabbling into eSports, thus this isn't some convoluted scheme to raise popular opinion towards them. Besides raising popular opinion on something as small as esports (no offense) isn't the right way to do it.
Officials at Papa Johns may have some controversial opinions, but in my opinion that shouldn't matter to people. Everyone, including officials at multi-million dollar companies are entitled to their own opinions. And from the looks of it, Papa Johns has never done anything to harass or fire employees that are openly homosexual and Papa Johns officials have merely stated their OWN OPINIONS on anti-gay marriage, etc. The Obama Care issue is really confusing me because basically Papa Johns did nothing but state their opinions on it. I don't know why people are getting up in arms about their opinion.
Basically, I'm FOR Papa Johns joining eSports. I understand that Papa Johns may have a controversial resume, but from what I've seen their "disgusting actions" were merely officials stating their opinions. Seeing as though a many of us are from countries that protect the right to opinion, I'm appalled at the community for being so against a company just SIMPLY for their opinions.
Papa Johns has never discriminated against homosexuals when hiring employees nor has it denied service to homosexuals. They stated OPINIONS. Are we really boycotting a company for utilizing their right to an opinion. That makes about as sense as denying the Salvation Army from helping the poor and charities just simply because they're openly religious. I'm all for boycotting if Papa Johns has committed anti-homosexual practices, but until you find that, I'm only seeing people boycott a company simply because an employee or two had a few controversial opinions. Grow up people and actually boycott the real problems in this world. Not some imaginary problems like a guy's opinion.
And you know what's really funny about all of this? I'm liberal and I still support Papa Johns.
Now the hipsters come out and say the community is too obsessed with being mainstream. I guess those years when SC1 community was pretty much dead was so much better than now /sarcasm Lol yes you can definitely boycott something because of their opinions. Idek why you brought that up Because they never did anything openly anti-gay except expressing their opinions. With your logic, we should boycott the Salvation Army because they're openly Christian and pushing their Christian views on others. They don't push their Christian views on anyone, I've volunteered there and can personally attest to this as we gave clothing to muslim families and atheists in addition to Christians, totally bereft of any preaching. They have been accused of doing such practices. Maybe not in your part of the organization, but the organization as a whole isn't perfect. However, I still support organizations like the Salvation Army nonetheless because of how much the good overrides the ugly.
Equating the Salvation Army to Papa John's in terms of the "good" each provides is quite silly.
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On May 21 2013 07:09 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 07:07 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 07:04 McBengt wrote:On May 21 2013 07:01 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 21 2013 06:59 StayPhrosty wrote:On May 21 2013 06:55 Dundron2000 wrote:On May 21 2013 06:46 tsangan wrote:On May 21 2013 06:36 Dundron2000 wrote:
The more companies that want to sponsor e-sports the better. Who cares what Papa Johns did? Maybe after the community has the luxury of choosing between different competing sponsors can we start making consumer choices based on ethics. But first we need them to hand over their sponsorship cash.. so don't blow it.. I guess you're the type that just bends over backwards Do you have a cell-phone? because if you do you are supporting an industry that literally fuels war and mass-rape over rare earth minerals in the Congo. I have a cell-phone. I have clothes that were made in factories that might topple down at any minute and maim everyone inside them. I eat meat at a rate that is ruining the environment completely, and when i try to cut down i eat soy meat that is grown on burned amazon rain forest. I fly on vacations to other continent even though it's terrible. But at least I'm not a hypocritical Internet asshole. Yeah, I mean, Hitler seems really good for the German economy, so just ignore everything else about him ans support him because we need the money first, THEN we can start caring about the less fortunate people... Hitler killed people. Papa Johns didn't. Hitler discriminated people. Papa Johns didn't. Both had opinions but only one acted on them. Get the pattern here? *Facepalm* And the allies invaded Germany and bombed it to smithereens in response. In light of this, a boycott would seem rather reasonable. Stories of Germany's Holocaust only came out AFTER the war. They didn't kill Germany because of this. They killed Germany because they were afraid that Germany would take over the world. Common sense plus World History 101. Go back to your history class please. And tell me more about world expansion from Hitler after it.
To be more specific, the allies were afraid their economic dominance over the world would dissipate due to the rise of Germany. Germany did take over most of Europe. They were afraid that Germany would rise to be the world economic power. Thus, the allies banded together to take down such a threat to their economic prosperity. Gradually after the war the European colonies became smaller as Europe was literally in smithereens. They did not have the capital or resources to hold the colonies. Thus, African and Asian nations rose from the ashes of the WW2.
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As I posted somewhere else earlier:
On May 21 2013 05:12 ragz_gt wrote:
I don't care about their political whatever, but their pizza is pretty bad.
The only thing that ever give me heartburn, no other pizza does it, but Papa John manage to get it done everytime.
The topping is decent, and you do get alot, but their sauce / cheese is yucky.
And the dough is very crumbly / greasy for some reason.
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