EPTWhy are people against Papa Johns? - Page 7
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:35 Yergidy wrote: When companies have extra costs it's the customers who always suffer. twenty five cents | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:33 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: No. The CEO doesn't own nor does he represent the company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schnatter You might want to understand what you're talking about first. He's the founder, CEO, and spokesman. So yes, those are the opinions of the CEO, who does represent the entire company. | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:24 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: But you know what's funny. Being anti-homosexual and anti-ObamaCare isn't part of their policies or ideals. It's just the opinions of their officials. Officials that could be fired or leave the company at any moment. So why are you boycotting a whole COMPANY for the opinions of a few? You seem to be misunderstanding the point. This is the same kind of crap I was hearing with the Chick-Fil-A stuff that was huge news months ago. Nobody is saying that these companies or their leaders don't have the right to an opinion. Of course they do -- that's why no one's saying they should be arrested. But the consumers also have a right to exercise their own opinions by choosing not to support a company that they feel doesn't treat people fairly, or whatever the argument is. You're right, those individuals could very easily be fired or leave the company, and if that were to happen I imagine people would begin supporting them again. | ||
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
On May 21 2013 05:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: I never thought I'd see the day when eSports fans are actually criticizing the sponsors themselves for their OPINIONS rather than their ACTIONS. But here we are now... Why are people so against Papa Johns supporting eSports? Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. | ||
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RParks42
United States77 Posts
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote: Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? | ||
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yeeshdontjudgeme
146 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:39 The Touch wrote: Responsible consumers reward the firms and individuals who they think provide value, and that doesn't just have to be about a product itself. People have demonstrated that they are willing to pay for what they see as ethical business practices - that's part of why they buy FairTrade bananas or free range eggs. If people find the views of a company to be offensive, then that lowers the value that many people receive from buying that company's products. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to financially reward that company, or with speaking out against them. I really don't know enough about PapaJohns to have a strong opinion on them one way or the other, but the criticism of the opponents of PapaJohns seem to think that people should be completely emotionless when it comes to their consumer decisions, and that's a completely unreasonable expectation. In my opinion, people should worry more about a businesses actual practices rather than their opinions. If a business openly discriminates against employees and customers, then it's fine for you to boycott. However, from what I've seen, Papa Johns has done nothing of the like. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. This post is hilarious. We're the ones arguing that 25 cents is no big deal and that PJ is a bad company for refusing to provide healthcare for their workers because it would cost them 25 cents a pizza. I'd gladly pay an extra 25 cents for a Pizza if I knew it was helping to pay for the healthcare of all of the workers of the company. I'll just as easily boycott a company that will refuse to make that raise in prices at the cost of their worker benefits. It isn't the liberals bitching about the extra 25 cents. It's actually the opposite. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:39 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: 25cents is an arm and leg bro. These liberals need to save money anyway they can. i'm not a conservative | ||
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farvacola
United States18840 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote: But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? Because some people value different things.......differently? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:42 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote: In my opinion, people should worry more about a businesses actual practices rather than their opinions. If a business openly discriminates against employees and customers, then it's fine for you to boycott. However, from what I've seen, Papa Johns has done nothing of the like. Discrimination is one kind of practice I won't support. Not providing proper benefits to your workers is another. The road doesn't end at one issue, there's more than one way a company can lose my business, and when there's a million other ways to get cheap Pizza, I have no qualms whatsoever about not supporting a single pizza place for something like worker benefits. That's the great thing about being an American. I get to make that choice. | ||
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Oerbaa
Scotland184 Posts
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SCWind
United States33 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:27 suicideyear wrote: Papa John’s took in $1.2 billion in revenue in 2011 but they couldn't be bothered to raise the price of their pizza pies by cents but that's not even 1/8th of the problem with this company try the god awful minimum wage, sending over 500,000 unwanted text messages to customers, having most of their "operations research experts" being former workers for Enron, cannibalizing local businesses and calling one of their customers "lady chinky eyes" but no, anyone who criticizes papa john's is just making controversy for the sake of it Relating revenue to unit cost is a fallacy; you can have a $1.2 billion revenue and have a negative net income. EDIT: I should say from a business standpoint it is completely reasonable to be against a bill that would increase the cost of business. The mistake was in vocalizing the opinion alienating people with different political backgrounds. There's no doubt that other businesses feel the same way as papa johns does, but omit expressing their point of view because of the financial backlash it would cause. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:42 farvacola wrote: Because some people value different things.......differently? If I find out that the guy pulling me out of the fire was a nazi supremist, I don't ask him to throw me back into the fire just because I disagree with this views. People are literally getting upset that people they have labeled as monsters is acting akin to them. that is what is bothering me. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On May 21 2013 06:42 Thieving Magpie wrote: But here's what confuses me. Last year, papa johns did something I disagree with. (obamacare fiasco) This year, papa johns does something I agree with. (supporting esports) Why get mad when they do something good *now* just because they did someting *bad* in the past? because i value humans getting insured for basic health care over three teams who are far from struggling (one of which just made enough to buy a house) making more money? | ||
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Jindo
United States1305 Posts
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