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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
But to each his own reality... | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12619 Posts
On October 13 2017 17:07 Velr wrote: Uhm, the "SJW-factions" just favored a 500 year old white jew. But to each his own reality... Not to disagree with the direction of your message (obviously) but berniecrats and SJWs aren't the same group. They have some connexions (people like me) but Clinton had SJWs on her side too. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8223 Posts
Sincere question. Like, was Martin Luther King a "sjw"? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 13 2017 16:56 Artisreal wrote: Almost every post that uses sjw on a non ironical level basically discredits itself. What a useless term. I think p6 wanted to type fictional. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On October 13 2017 11:52 LegalLord wrote: Watching Trump and the Republicans fumble around trying to get rid of Obamacare without really having a follow up is quite a laugh. Its not funny when it actually affects peoples lives. The democrats need to go to the media and put out a huge information campaign that ends this charade of trying to use the insurance market to reduce healthcare costs. It doesnt work and will never work. Until healthcare costs come down insurance will continue to go up. Thats not the insurance companies fault. These new plans that arent ACA compliant are shitty. Ya your insurance is cheaper if it doesnt cover anything. Thats just the thing, it doesnt cover anything and has a high deductible! How can people be so dumb! | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 13 2017 19:50 Plansix wrote: There is no SJW faction. It's a fictional group people on the internet get mad at. Well, they exist. They're just strawmanned out to the assumption that all of them hold the most extreme of their ideas. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 13 2017 10:24 Tachion wrote: Kushner is untouchable. Undisclosed meetings and contacts, secret back channels, hiding e-mails, undisclosed finances, none of it seems to matter. He could turn up with a body in his trunk and probably get away with "Oh, I don't know how that got there". He never should have even been in his position in the first place due to anti-nepotism laws, and yet there he stays. No point in going after him now when Trump can just pardon it. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 13 2017 16:53 mortyFromRickAndMort wrote: Well unless it's a black, m-2-f transgender disabled Muslim socialist, the SJW faction won't be satisfied, so any reasonably sane Republican will win by default. A lot of the SJWs will accept someone white and male so long as they cower, apologize, and identify victim groups and their oppressions. The "champion of the oppressed" is somewhat legitimate in the pantheon, provided you shut up at the right times. But that movement is not the core of the Democratic party, it's still just a very loud minority faction that more people go along with more nowadays than in the past. I've seen enough leftists in this thread both understand the label and reject it. It's a positive thing that it has this stigma and people that make primarily identity arguments and race-card arguments flee from it. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 13 2017 20:38 Gahlo wrote: No point in going after him now when Trump can just pardon it. On October 13 2017 21:00 Artisreal wrote: There's a lot of merit in forcing him to do so and a conviction, which I unknowingly assume is a prerequisite for a pardon, would be immensely significant. Are people really so insane to think a conviction of Kushner and a presidential pardon is meaningless? Or that prosecutors aren't biting at the bit for anything provable? I know people here are obsessed with demonizing Trump supporters, but a son-in-law "untouchable" because of conviction then pardon is ridiculous. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12619 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:09 Danglars wrote: I've seen enough leftists in this thread both understand the label and reject it. It's a positive thing that it has this stigma and people that make primarily identity arguments and race-card arguments flee from it. Can't have this conversation in a vacuum my friend | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:14 Danglars wrote: Are people really so insane to think a conviction of Kushner and a presidential pardon is meaningless? Or that prosecutors aren't biting at the bit for anything provable? I know people here are obsessed with demonizing Trump supporters, but a son-in-law "untouchable" because of conviction then pardon is ridiculous. What's the point of it if you can't actually get anything done? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:14 Danglars wrote: Are people really so insane to think a conviction of Kushner and a presidential pardon is meaningless? Or that prosecutors aren't biting at the bit for anything provable? I know people here are obsessed with demonizing Trump supporters, but a son-in-law "untouchable" because of conviction then pardon is ridiculous. Why did you include my post? I literally said what you said. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:29 Artisreal wrote: Why did you include my post? I literally said what you said. A conviction isn't a requirement for pardon. He can pardon anyone for anything they did or did not do at any time after they did or did not do. Presidents can pardon someone for things they may or may not have done, thus preempting any criminal proceedings. Some people think pardoning allies for campaign malfeasance is the line he can't cross without congressional republicans starting to consider impeachment, but I think it's quite likely that if Kushner got charged, Trump would immediately pardon with the argument that the charges are bullshit and he wants his team to go back to work instead of fighting bullshit criminal charges. And the rest of the world would think "that's fucked up" but not do anything about it. Just like all the other fucked up shit he's said and done. Danglars would probably still consider him a "necessary evil." | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:40 ChristianS wrote: A conviction isn't a requirement for pardon. He can pardon anyone for anything they did or did not do at any time after they did or did not do. Presidents can pardon someone for things they may or may not have done, thus preempting any criminal proceedings. Some people think pardoning allies for campaign malfeasance is the line he can't cross without congressional republicans starting to consider impeachment, but I think it's quite likely that if Kushner got charged, Trump would immediately pardon with the argument that the charges are bullshit and he wants his team to go back to work instead of fighting bullshit criminal charges. And the rest of the world would think "that's fucked up" but not do anything about it. Just like all the other fucked up shit he's said and done. Danglars would probably still consider him a "necessary evil." I believe the 'pardon before conviction' is still up in the air after Trump pardoned that Sheriff and the Judge on the case has not yet dismissed the trial. Has this changed? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:09 Danglars wrote: A lot of the SJWs will accept someone white and male so long as they cower, apologize, and identify victim groups and their oppressions. Translation: They listen to other people and do not automatically dismiss their complaints as being hysterical. Listening is seen as cowering and apologizing. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:44 Gorsameth wrote: I believe the 'pardon before conviction' is still up in the air after Trump pardoned that Sheriff and the Judge on the case has not yet dismissed the trial. Has this changed? On whether you can do it? Pardon before conviction has been used a bunch of times and upheld by the Supreme Court. Iirc Nixon was pardoned before conviction, no? | ||
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