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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 12 2017 23:55 GMT
#179661
On October 13 2017 08:49 KwarK wrote:
It's just possible to read RiK's posts as an impassioned plea for the world to take notice of the desperate need for educational reform in the US.

World history as learned through the Civilization games and movies. Saving Private Ryan and the early call of duties cover world war 2.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13957 Posts
October 13 2017 00:05 GMT
#179662
I as an enlightened fellow learned WW2 through hearts of iron three.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 00:13:10
October 13 2017 00:08 GMT
#179663
I would have thought a strong leader could arrange for their legislative agenda to be enacted.

edit: A strong leader could probably even do it without suspending the ordinary rules <cough>Enabling Act<cough>
jodljodl
Profile Joined October 2016
173 Posts
October 13 2017 00:10 GMT
#179664
RealityIsKing.
YouLackKnowledge.

Why? Go read, and get to know about your chancellor hitler somewhat....
Yes, he probably did some things right. I guess he knew how to use the toilet.
Even though, when i think about it; the shit he spread; im not that quite sure....
Kim Doh Woo
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 13 2017 00:36 GMT
#179665
On October 13 2017 07:33 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:27 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0

Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably.

I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1.

You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions.

I should've added cop hate for good measure. You better learn that the warm fuzzies you got from peering into the motivations within player's souls does not equate to their outward perception from choosing to do what they did. Your other choice is to remind blind and ignorant over why it backfired so spectacularly and make up your own excuses (usually of the form 'waah football fans and Trump voters are so racist').

It's backfired only in the minds of people who are so conceited to arrive at the conclusion that it's a disrespect to the country, and the free speech that it's founded on. Furthermore, if you're going to make one assumption after another about why I support anyone's right to protest, don't expect me to take you seriously. You already make it difficult to see what you say in a charitable light.

And there's plenty of football fans who aren't racist. But they're not getting upset or making a scene over how much the protest upsets them. Food for thought.

It's totally overlooked in the minds of people that think they have a pretty good idea of how people unlike them think and feel. Why think hard when everybody that doesn't already agree with you are "conceited" and taking too many assumptions? It's like I said: you peer into the depths of people's souls to find their true protest, and ignore everyone that uses their eyes and ears to discover the true intentions and actual consequence.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 13 2017 00:37 GMT
#179666
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
October 13 2017 00:38 GMT
#179667
On October 13 2017 09:36 Danglars wrote:...
It's like I said: you peer into the depths of people's souls to find their true protest, and ignore everyone that uses their eyes and ears to discover the true intentions and actual consequence.

Can you clarify what you actually mean by "true intentions" here?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 13 2017 00:57 GMT
#179668
How do we peer into people's souls?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 13 2017 01:05 GMT
#179669
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11528 Posts
October 13 2017 01:09 GMT
#179670
On October 13 2017 09:37 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/918606612759269377


The sad thing is that nothing about that is exceptional.

We have seen so many cases of blatant corruption out of Trump and his family in this presidency (And it isn't even a year old!). Corruption scandals which would have removed any other politician in any other western country just deflect off of trump for some reason. His base simply does not care.

I don't understand how you can be fine with corruption in your politicians. Corruption is obviously bad for the country, and it also proves that they put themselves personally ahead of their countries interests, which makes them bad politicians. Corruption ruins countries more strongly than basically anything else, and it is incredibly hard to get rid of it once it takes root.

Also, how can Kushners intention be what moves it from a federal crime and not a federal crime? Doesn't that mean it is never a federal crime, as i can't see how you could prove that something like that is intentional? As long as he isn't even more stupid and wrote down "I did this intentionally to gain corrupt money! Signed Jared Kushner, Also using my family Seal", he can always just claim "Oops, i totally forgot that million dollar company, and then i forgot that i forgot to mention it when i made millions of dollars with it"
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
October 13 2017 01:24 GMT
#179671
On October 13 2017 09:37 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/918606612759269377

Kushner is untouchable.

Undisclosed meetings and contacts, secret back channels, hiding e-mails, undisclosed finances, none of it seems to matter. He could turn up with a body in his trunk and probably get away with "Oh, I don't know how that got there".
He never should have even been in his position in the first place due to anti-nepotism laws, and yet there he stays.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 13 2017 01:29 GMT
#179672
I just realized who Kushner looks like: Dr. Crane / Scarecrow from Nolan's Batman movies.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
October 13 2017 01:32 GMT
#179673
On October 13 2017 09:36 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:33 NewSunshine wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:27 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0

Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably.

I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1.

You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions.

I should've added cop hate for good measure. You better learn that the warm fuzzies you got from peering into the motivations within player's souls does not equate to their outward perception from choosing to do what they did. Your other choice is to remind blind and ignorant over why it backfired so spectacularly and make up your own excuses (usually of the form 'waah football fans and Trump voters are so racist').

It's backfired only in the minds of people who are so conceited to arrive at the conclusion that it's a disrespect to the country, and the free speech that it's founded on. Furthermore, if you're going to make one assumption after another about why I support anyone's right to protest, don't expect me to take you seriously. You already make it difficult to see what you say in a charitable light.

And there's plenty of football fans who aren't racist. But they're not getting upset or making a scene over how much the protest upsets them. Food for thought.

It's totally overlooked in the minds of people that think they have a pretty good idea of how people unlike them think and feel. Why think hard when everybody that doesn't already agree with you are "conceited" and taking too many assumptions? It's like I said: you peer into the depths of people's souls to find their true protest, and ignore everyone that uses their eyes and ears to discover the true intentions and actual consequence.

Do you have a single piece of evidence that the players kneeled in opposition of the flag or the country? Because if not that's a really dumb thing to say, especially when followed immediately by telling someone else off for making assumptions about another's intent. Can you find a single instance of an athlete who kneeled saying he opposed the flag? Because I bet it wouldn't be hard to find a lot of them insisting they don't.

Constitutionally speaking, would you call yourself an "originalist"?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 13 2017 01:38 GMT
#179674
On October 13 2017 10:09 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 09:37 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/918606612759269377


The sad thing is that nothing about that is exceptional.

We have seen so many cases of blatant corruption out of Trump and his family in this presidency (And it isn't even a year old!). Corruption scandals which would have removed any other politician in any other western country just deflect off of trump for some reason. His base simply does not care.

I don't understand how you can be fine with corruption in your politicians. Corruption is obviously bad for the country, and it also proves that they put themselves personally ahead of their countries interests, which makes them bad politicians. Corruption ruins countries more strongly than basically anything else, and it is incredibly hard to get rid of it once it takes root.

Also, how can Kushners intention be what moves it from a federal crime and not a federal crime? Doesn't that mean it is never a federal crime, as i can't see how you could prove that something like that is intentional? As long as he isn't even more stupid and wrote down "I did this intentionally to gain corrupt money! Signed Jared Kushner, Also using my family Seal", he can always just claim "Oops, i totally forgot that million dollar company, and then i forgot that i forgot to mention it when i made millions of dollars with it"

I don't understand the foolishness of others who're fin with it myself.
I'd guess some combination of: falsely claiming the alternatives were even worse. Not minding as long as they stick it to the others. Assuming everybody is corrupt and this is no different. Complete lack of understanding of what the most important things are. Ignorance of the actual facts (and using bias to maintain that ignorance)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 13 2017 01:49 GMT
#179675
well this is going to be fun





"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 02:13:42
October 13 2017 01:50 GMT
#179676
On October 13 2017 10:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/918603704504324096


We might actually be in a world where Dianne %&*# Feinstein is the best available choice. What a dark time for CA.

Also I'm surprised any of these hare-brains would be willing to try this. I can't see her losing. But please don't make me root for her.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 13 2017 02:04 GMT
#179677
Yep. With his establishment bridges burning once more, Trump is going to do the destructive thing to the ACA that does nothing but hurt people, destabilize marketplaces, and cost the federal government money. Great guy.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 13 2017 02:33 GMT
#179678
On October 13 2017 08:49 KwarK wrote:
It's just possible to read RiK's posts as an impassioned plea for the world to take notice of the desperate need for educational reform in the US.

*Serbia

That's what his location used to be anyway.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 13 2017 02:50 GMT
#179679


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 13 2017 02:52 GMT
#179680
Watching Trump and the Republicans fumble around trying to get rid of Obamacare without really having a follow up is quite a laugh.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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