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mortyFromRickAndMort
85 Posts
On October 13 2017 04:55 BlueBird. wrote: Honestly could have given Israel a decent chunk of western United States but I doubt anyone wanted that. Why not? That sounds like a great way to return the US to its 1950s glory. Can't think of a better way to really make a country 'great again' than injecting another five million or so jews. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0 Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/hIO7zZ5.png) As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/EvwgRiS.png) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote: Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0 Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader: + Show Spoiler + As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable: + Show Spoiler + More likely to be rural --> more likely to base opinion on hierarchy | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10026 Posts
They have made their careers out of subtly manipulating public opinion, they didn't realize that they could just tell people what to think and they would obey. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote: Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0 Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader: + Show Spoiler + As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable: + Show Spoiler + nothing new here, the same thing happened on their views about Russia. same principle, just applying to a new target. | ||
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mortyFromRickAndMort
85 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This is amazing. Clearly the goal was to get some right wing site to write about how The Left Was Using Pokemon to Fuel racial tensions or something. There is nothing they didn't try to screw with. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote: Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0 Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader: + Show Spoiler + As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable: + Show Spoiler + Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably. I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote: Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably. I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1. If people were naturally offended by the kneeling then Democrats would be offended and view them less favorably. Yet only Republicans, who were told by their leader/news to be outraged view the NFL less favorable. Nor is there a counter movement where Democrats view the NFL more favorable to stick it to Trump | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote: Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably. I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1. You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:52 Gorsameth wrote: If people were naturally offended by the kneeling then Democrats would be offended and view them less favorably. Yet only Republicans, who were told by their leader/news to be outraged view the NFL less favorable. Nor is there a counter movement where Democrats view the NFL more favorable to stick it to Trump The way I see it is that Trump explained to his base why it is important to stand and people his base understood Trump's explanation and agreed with him. Its simple as that. People are mad at his leadership skills or what? I don't get it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10026 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:57 RealityIsKing wrote: The way I see it is that Trump explained to his base why it is important to stand and people his base understood Trump's explanation and agreed with him. Its simple as that. People are mad at his leadership skills or what? I don't get it. I suppose you can't really argue with this. Then again, leadership skills are easy when you have half the country begging for someone to tell them what to think. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:56 NewSunshine wrote: You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions. I don't actually think the kneeling is in regard to any of those things. They were started before Trump was a serious candidate. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:57 RealityIsKing wrote: The way I see it is that Trump explained to his base why it is important to stand and people his base understood Trump's explanation and agreed with him. Its simple as that. People are mad at his leadership skills or what? I don't get it. simple: the way you're seeing it is very inaccurate and ignores the vast amounts of literature on how human cognition works, especially in the political sphere. You'd need ot read up on those to get it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 13 2017 06:59 Jockmcplop wrote: I suppose you can't really argue with this. Then again, leadership skills are easy when you have half the country begging for someone to tell them what to think. It isn't even half the country. Those are just people that voted for Trump. Its like less than 25% of the country. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
Further, anyone leaps onto the hate the NFL bandwagon concedes that they don't give a shit about free speech. If you clap as the President of the United States calls for people to lose their livelihoods because he doesn't like their political expression, then you don't believe in free speech. Political expression is the most protected form of speech and the President doing his best to hurt people for their political expression. EDIT: I know what the response to this is. "but Wulfey, it is the flag, that is just TOOOOO triggering and that makes it okay for the President to try to suppress political expression". No. Any response in this vein just concedes that you don't believe in free speech when it counts. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On October 13 2017 07:00 Nevuk wrote: I don't actually think the kneeling is in regard to any of those things. They were started before Trump was a serious candidate. The mass kneeling was definitely in response to Trump calling for the firing of the players and him calling them sons of bitches (very presidential as always). There are 2 main explanations for the switch, either the Trump supporters fell for his rethoric that the players kneeling were somehow insulting the country/flag/troops or they felt the massive kneeling was an insult to the great leader. Both of those reasons make them fucking morrons but that's not exactly news... | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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