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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 12 2017 22:16 GMT
#179641
Jared Kushner "enriched himself" by not revealing his ownership of a real estate tech business that raised millions of dollars while he served in the government, said a member of the House Judiciary Committee, calling it part of a pattern of unethical behavior that he believes should cause the White House Senior Adviser to be stripped of his security clearance.

Congressman Ted Lieu told Newsweek that Kushner's failure to list a company called Cadre on his initial financial disclosure forms—an oversight that could mean millions for the president’s son-in-law—is an ethical lapse that should have severe ramifications.

"It appears [Kushner] ended up being the beneficiary of that omission," said Lieu, a California Democrat. "He enriched himself by failing to disclose the asset."

Kushner’s lawyer has said that her client’s failure to list Cadre on the initial filing in March was merely an "administrative error." But that "error" allowed Kushner to maintain a stake in the start-up at a time when the three-year-old business doubled its venture funding from rich private investors.

Kushner's failure to cite Cadre on his financial disclosure form came as the Office of Government Ethics was deciding whether to grant him a Certificate of Divestiture, which requires incoming government employees to divest "100% of all financial interests" from listed companies so they don't violate conflict-of-interest laws. It also allows those government employees to sell their assets without paying heavy capital gains taxes.

The timeline suggests more than just an inadvertent oversight, but an effort by Kushner to hold onto Cadre rather than be forced to divest his interests in the emerging company, according to ethics experts.

On March 9, Kushner submitted his original financial disclosure form to the Office of Government Ethics. It did not specifically list Cadre as one of Kushner's assets, though he co-founded the company with his brother, Joshua Kushner and his Harvard classmate Ryan Williams, who remains Cadre CEO.

The company was already attracting attention in New York's real estate and tech circles because of its promise to disrupt both industries by allowing investors to buy shares in real estate developments much like they would buy shares of companies on the stock market.

Kushner’s lawyer says Cadre was not specifically cited on the March 9 form because his holding company, BFPS Ventures, acquired his interest in Cadre on February 17. That transaction appears to be noted on his financial records as a $100,000 to $250,000 sale.

But that amount does not match subsequent disclosures. When Kushner finally amended his financial disclosure form on July 21, he valued his interest in Cadre from $5 million to $25 million.

That disclosure came after Cadre had raised $65 million more in venture funding from major donors including Andreessen Horowitz, adding to a list of prominent venture capitalists such as Democratic donor George Soros and tech entrepreneur Peter Thiel.

The disclosure form suggests that Kushner has not fully divested from Cadre. Indeed, a representative for the start-up told Newsweek that Kushner maintains "a small, passive investment," but has "no operational or advisory role," describing the cofounder as "an early investor in the company."

Government watchdogs have a problem with Kushner’s continued ownership of Cadre.

"Mr. Kushner co-founded Cadre and continues to own a significant part of it," the nonprofit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington wrote to then-Ethics Office Director Walter Shaub on July 6. "As a result [the Ethics Office] appears to have granted the certificate of divestiture based on incomplete information."

Shaub, who resigned on July 19 from the ethics office complaining of the Trump administration's disregard for conflict-of-interest guidelines, never signed off on Kushner’s Certificate of Divestiture. Instead, it was approved by the office's general counsel, David Apol on July 20, the day after Shaub quit. Apol replaced Shaub the next day. The New York Times described Apol as having "a much more cordial relationship with the White House" than Shaub.

Kushner's failure to include the full value of Cadre in his initial filing likely allowed him to hold onto most of his interest rather than be forced to divest, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington says. And had Kushner revealed his ownership in Cadre, the company might not have been as attractive to investors, who would obviously be keen on putting money into a company so closely linked to a person inside the White House. A Kushner representative admitted that investors would certainly have known about Kushner’s holdings in Cadre from publicly available information, which concerns ethics experts.


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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
October 12 2017 22:18 GMT
#179642
On October 13 2017 07:00 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0

Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader:
+ Show Spoiler +

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As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable:
+ Show Spoiler +

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Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably.

I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1.

You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions.

I don't actually think the kneeling is in regard to any of those things. They were started before Trump was a serious candidate.

Sure. The kneeling started over, and is still very much about, the systemic racism that blacks and other PoC face. But Trump got his panties in a twist and stuck his nose where it doesn't belong. He poked the beehive, and in doing so made it clear exactly where he stands, in case it was ever in any doubt. He has become a figurehead for everyone who sees the fight for equality as a personal war that they must fight and win, to keep the athletic black man in his lane entertaining the masses.

It's never about the flag, never has been, and not only are people like Danglars and his Conservative ilk trying to bullshit us with the flag narrative, any amount of digging whatsoever reveals that respect for the flag is a long-lost argument. There's no reason whatsoever to lend that tired diversion any credence, it's a red herring, and they want people bickering over it for as long as possible.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 12 2017 22:22 GMT
#179643
On October 13 2017 07:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Did RiK just say Trump has leadership skills? That rotating door of a white house and an administration that can't be bothered to fill empty positions?

Have you seen his rallies?

Its very energetic.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 12 2017 22:23 GMT
#179644
On October 13 2017 07:00 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0

Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably.

I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1.

You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions.

I don't actually think the kneeling is in regard to any of those things. They were started before Trump was a serious candidate.

How many kneelers before and after Trump jumped into the fray? I can name two or three. After Trump it was nearly every team and big sections of some teams. This is an important consideration in Trump's win on the issue, so acquaint yourself with the details.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 22:26:23
October 12 2017 22:24 GMT
#179645
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 12 2017 22:24 GMT
#179646
On October 13 2017 07:22 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Did RiK just say Trump has leadership skills? That rotating door of a white house and an administration that can't be bothered to fill empty positions?

Have you seen his rallies?

Its very energetic.

Rallies are hardly a good metric. The vast, overwhelming majority of people that go to a rally are hype about the cause. That's why they're there instead of doing something else.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 12 2017 22:27 GMT
#179647
On October 13 2017 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0

Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably.

I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1.

You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions.

I should've added cop hate for good measure. You better learn that the warm fuzzies you got from peering into the motivations within player's souls does not equate to their outward perception from choosing to do what they did. Your other choice is to remind blind and ignorant over why it backfired so spectacularly and make up your own excuses (usually of the form 'waah football fans and Trump voters are so racist').
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 12 2017 22:28 GMT
#179648
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.

User was temp banned for this post.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44285 Posts
October 12 2017 22:31 GMT
#179649
On October 13 2017 07:22 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Did RiK just say Trump has leadership skills? That rotating door of a white house and an administration that can't be bothered to fill empty positions?

Have you seen his rallies?

Its very energetic.

meth will do that
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
October 12 2017 22:31 GMT
#179650
On October 13 2017 07:28 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.


Taht's like saying guns > words.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 22:36:35
October 12 2017 22:33 GMT
#179651
On October 13 2017 07:27 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 06:56 NewSunshine wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote:
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0

Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably.

I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1.

You're 1 for 3, at most. Better than usual. You might do better with fewer reductive assumptions.

I should've added cop hate for good measure. You better learn that the warm fuzzies you got from peering into the motivations within player's souls does not equate to their outward perception from choosing to do what they did. Your other choice is to remind blind and ignorant over why it backfired so spectacularly and make up your own excuses (usually of the form 'waah football fans and Trump voters are so racist').

It's backfired only in the minds of people who are so conceited to arrive at the conclusion that it's a disrespect to the country, and the free speech that it's founded on. Furthermore, if you're going to make one assumption after another about why I support anyone's right to protest, don't expect me to take you seriously. You already make it difficult to see what you say in a charitable light.

And there's plenty of football fans who aren't racist. But they're not getting upset or making a scene over how much the protest upsets them. Food for thought.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 22:37:19
October 12 2017 22:37 GMT
#179652
On October 13 2017 07:28 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.

I mean Obama's impact wasn't as big as his charisma and he didn't live up to the hype, but unlike Hitler he didn't leave his country with every city burned to rubble and occupied by a spiteful russian army raping the widows of all the men he sent to their deaths.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24341 Posts
October 12 2017 22:53 GMT
#179653
On October 13 2017 06:49 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 06:34 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Wow Trumpkins are sheep. The data on their opinions on the NFL is crazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/11/upshot/trump-nfl-polarization.html?_r=0

Trumpkin opinions on the NFL instantly switched from 60% approve to 60%+ disapprove on the order of Dear Leader:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


As a control, HRC supporter opinions on the NFL have remained stable:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Players kneel in opposition of Trump, flag, and country and some people are surprised voters change to view the league unfavorably.

I really wonder who's the sheep in the picture. The tides of the culture war changed for a bit. Better get used to some setbacks Wulfey ... the 2016 election was only Act 1.


This is total trash and you should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to perpetuate this lie.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 12 2017 23:00 GMT
#179654
On October 13 2017 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:28 RealityIsKing wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.

I mean Obama's impact wasn't as big as his charisma and he didn't live up to the hype, but unlike Hitler he didn't leave his country with every city burned to rubble and occupied by a spiteful russian army raping the widows of all the men he sent to their deaths.


Well Hitler was strategically retarded.

He was unnecessarily picking fights.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 12 2017 23:05 GMT
#179655
On October 13 2017 08:00 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:28 RealityIsKing wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.

I mean Obama's impact wasn't as big as his charisma and he didn't live up to the hype, but unlike Hitler he didn't leave his country with every city burned to rubble and occupied by a spiteful russian army raping the widows of all the men he sent to their deaths.


Well Hitler was strategically retarded.

He was unnecessarily picking fights.


Was he now ? Seems oddly familiar.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 12 2017 23:27 GMT
#179656
On October 13 2017 07:28 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.


This is the message they should have printed on the MAGA hats. This is the modern GOP base
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 12 2017 23:32 GMT
#179657
On October 13 2017 07:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Jared Kushner "enriched himself" by not revealing his ownership of a real estate tech business that raised millions of dollars while he served in the government, said a member of the House Judiciary Committee, calling it part of a pattern of unethical behavior that he believes should cause the White House Senior Adviser to be stripped of his security clearance.

Congressman Ted Lieu told Newsweek that Kushner's failure to list a company called Cadre on his initial financial disclosure forms—an oversight that could mean millions for the president’s son-in-law—is an ethical lapse that should have severe ramifications.

"It appears [Kushner] ended up being the beneficiary of that omission," said Lieu, a California Democrat. "He enriched himself by failing to disclose the asset."

Kushner’s lawyer has said that her client’s failure to list Cadre on the initial filing in March was merely an "administrative error." But that "error" allowed Kushner to maintain a stake in the start-up at a time when the three-year-old business doubled its venture funding from rich private investors.

Kushner's failure to cite Cadre on his financial disclosure form came as the Office of Government Ethics was deciding whether to grant him a Certificate of Divestiture, which requires incoming government employees to divest "100% of all financial interests" from listed companies so they don't violate conflict-of-interest laws. It also allows those government employees to sell their assets without paying heavy capital gains taxes.

The timeline suggests more than just an inadvertent oversight, but an effort by Kushner to hold onto Cadre rather than be forced to divest his interests in the emerging company, according to ethics experts.

On March 9, Kushner submitted his original financial disclosure form to the Office of Government Ethics. It did not specifically list Cadre as one of Kushner's assets, though he co-founded the company with his brother, Joshua Kushner and his Harvard classmate Ryan Williams, who remains Cadre CEO.

The company was already attracting attention in New York's real estate and tech circles because of its promise to disrupt both industries by allowing investors to buy shares in real estate developments much like they would buy shares of companies on the stock market.

Kushner’s lawyer says Cadre was not specifically cited on the March 9 form because his holding company, BFPS Ventures, acquired his interest in Cadre on February 17. That transaction appears to be noted on his financial records as a $100,000 to $250,000 sale.

But that amount does not match subsequent disclosures. When Kushner finally amended his financial disclosure form on July 21, he valued his interest in Cadre from $5 million to $25 million.

That disclosure came after Cadre had raised $65 million more in venture funding from major donors including Andreessen Horowitz, adding to a list of prominent venture capitalists such as Democratic donor George Soros and tech entrepreneur Peter Thiel.

The disclosure form suggests that Kushner has not fully divested from Cadre. Indeed, a representative for the start-up told Newsweek that Kushner maintains "a small, passive investment," but has "no operational or advisory role," describing the cofounder as "an early investor in the company."

Government watchdogs have a problem with Kushner’s continued ownership of Cadre.

"Mr. Kushner co-founded Cadre and continues to own a significant part of it," the nonprofit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington wrote to then-Ethics Office Director Walter Shaub on July 6. "As a result [the Ethics Office] appears to have granted the certificate of divestiture based on incomplete information."

Shaub, who resigned on July 19 from the ethics office complaining of the Trump administration's disregard for conflict-of-interest guidelines, never signed off on Kushner’s Certificate of Divestiture. Instead, it was approved by the office's general counsel, David Apol on July 20, the day after Shaub quit. Apol replaced Shaub the next day. The New York Times described Apol as having "a much more cordial relationship with the White House" than Shaub.

Kushner's failure to include the full value of Cadre in his initial filing likely allowed him to hold onto most of his interest rather than be forced to divest, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington says. And had Kushner revealed his ownership in Cadre, the company might not have been as attractive to investors, who would obviously be keen on putting money into a company so closely linked to a person inside the White House. A Kushner representative admitted that investors would certainly have known about Kushner’s holdings in Cadre from publicly available information, which concerns ethics experts.


Source

Congress is going to have to open an investigation into how stupid Kushner is. He is not only crooked as fuck, but also one of the lowest grade grifters in Washington.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 12 2017 23:35 GMT
#179658
On October 13 2017 08:05 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 08:00 RealityIsKing wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:28 RealityIsKing wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.

I mean Obama's impact wasn't as big as his charisma and he didn't live up to the hype, but unlike Hitler he didn't leave his country with every city burned to rubble and occupied by a spiteful russian army raping the widows of all the men he sent to their deaths.


Well Hitler was strategically retarded.

He was unnecessarily picking fights.


Was he now ? Seems oddly familiar.


Hitler, instead of making deals with the lands he grabbed to give Germany a long term advantage, he overextended.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 23:42:36
October 12 2017 23:39 GMT
#179659
On October 13 2017 08:35 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 08:05 Rebs wrote:
On October 13 2017 08:00 RealityIsKing wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:28 RealityIsKing wrote:
On October 13 2017 07:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not leadership Rik. That's like saying Hitler has good leadership skills. The most amazing leaderships ever seen. Those rallies were the biggest the world has ever seen. Bigger than Obama's. Not the best comparison, but I can't think of a better example of a person at the moment who can attract energetic rallies but failed dismally at leadership.


Hitler got a lot of stuff done under his leadership.

I'd say Hitler's leadership > Obama's.

I mean Obama's impact wasn't as big as his charisma and he didn't live up to the hype, but unlike Hitler he didn't leave his country with every city burned to rubble and occupied by a spiteful russian army raping the widows of all the men he sent to their deaths.


Well Hitler was strategically retarded.

He was unnecessarily picking fights.


Was he now ? Seems oddly familiar.


Hitler, instead of making deals with the lands he grabbed to give Germany a long term advantage, he overextended.

Also the Nazi government was a god damn disaster and would destroy itself if it wasn't constantly at war. Everyone were failures, terrible at their job and always trying to destroy their peers for personal advantage. There is no long term for Nazi Germany, those people could not govern a country at peace for any extended period. It was a government of sniveling, self interested bureaucrats willing to murder endless people to get a promotion.
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It's just possible to read RiK's posts as an impassioned plea for the world to take notice of the desperate need for educational reform in the US.
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