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On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better.
you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence
all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage
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On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth.
Your right, he helped make the environment that made it so potent.
Damn him for being black so that the Republicans would spend 8 years dividing the country. Why didn't he do the good thing and be born white.
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On June 22 2017 23:33 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth. Your right, he helped make the environment that made it so potent. Damn him for being black so that the Republicans would spend 8 years dividing the country. Why didn't he do the good thing and be born white.
Yes, every reason anyone might have to be critical of him just boils down to the fact that deep down, they're a bunch of closet racists. That what you're getting at?
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On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage
I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags.
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On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth.
"How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack?"
"Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT."
Therefore you're blaming Obama for the theft of data.
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On June 22 2017 23:37 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth. "How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack?" "Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT." Therefore you're blaming Obama for the theft of data.
Did you forget to read the rest of what I wrote?
Your "take people out of context with selective quotes" game doesn't do you any favors.
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On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags.
Where I am most grocery stores credit you for using your own bags (since they don't have to pay) then there is a tax for using bags imposed by the city. Though now that I think about it I can't remember if the credit went away when the tax was implemented, I'll have to pay attention next time I go shopping.
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On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective.
You really think an organization run by a crony of Hillary was going to ever invest in IT? Good with computers that group of people was not. Obama really didn't have a say in the internals of the DNC at such a micro level.
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On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags.
in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA
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On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage
But all the costs for dealing with a plastic bags are on the “back end” of disposal, recycling and clean up. The stores pay none of that, which is why they are being taxed. It is like the baby wipes that got super cheap and then they had to tax them because they were destroy sewer systems. The costs for cleaning up these things add up.
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I saw two own-bag incentives around:
1. Shopping bags cost money.
2. Using your own bags saved you a small percentage on the purchase price.
The former is far more effective if you want people to stop using plastic bags.
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On June 22 2017 23:36 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:33 Gorsameth wrote:On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth. Your right, he helped make the environment that made it so potent. Damn him for being black so that the Republicans would spend 8 years dividing the country. Why didn't he do the good thing and be born white. Yes, every reason anyone might have to be critical of him just boils down to the fact that deep down, they're a bunch of closet racists. That what you're getting at?
Yes?
There are plenty of legit reasons people don't like Obama and plenty of reasons for the Republicans to oppose him.
But the unprecedented level of obstruction and vilifying?
Yeah, a black man became president and that is unacceptable to the 'deplorable' that make up a core part of the Republican base.
You think its a coincidence that the most successful campaign promise of the Republican candidate after a black president was to deport all illegals and build a wall to keep the non-whites out?
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On June 22 2017 23:41 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. You really think an organization run by a crony of Hillary was going to ever invest in IT? Good with computers that group of people was not. Obama really didn't have a say in the internals of the DNC at such a micro level.
The government in general is bad at IT, so they can be forgiven for being hacked out the wazoo.
But who put a Hillary crony in charge and let her stay there?
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On June 22 2017 23:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage But all the costs for dealing with a plastic bags are on the “back end” of disposal, recycling and clean up. The stores pay none of that, which is why they are being taxed. It is like the baby wipes that got super cheap and then they had to tax them because they were destroy sewer systems. The costs for cleaning up these things add up.
that's not germane to anything i said. but thanks for the 10th "plansix presents 'the more you know!'" within the last ten pages of this thread
of course plastics are a scourge upon the earth.
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On June 22 2017 23:44 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:36 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 Gorsameth wrote:On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth. Your right, he helped make the environment that made it so potent. Damn him for being black so that the Republicans would spend 8 years dividing the country. Why didn't he do the good thing and be born white. Yes, every reason anyone might have to be critical of him just boils down to the fact that deep down, they're a bunch of closet racists. That what you're getting at? Yes? There are plenty of legit reasons people don't like Obama and plenty of reasons for the Republicans to oppose him. But the unprecedented level of obstruction and vilifying? Yeah, a black man became president and that is unacceptable to the 'deplorable' that make up a core part of the Republican base. You think its a coincidence that the most successful campaign promise of the Republican candidate after a black president was to deport all illegals and build a wall to keep the non-whites out?
I don't remember who it was who quite strongly insisted, all evidence to the contrary, that the reason Hillary lost was because sexism. But I see this the same way: as a laughable way to deflect from more legitimate issues into just blaming some undesirable devil for all the problems. It's as easy as it is wrong.
Edit: fuck autocorrect and covfefe
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On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA
That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead?
They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately.
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On June 22 2017 23:44 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:41 Nevuk wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. You really think an organization run by a crony of Hillary was going to ever invest in IT? Good with computers that group of people was not. Obama really didn't have a say in the internals of the DNC at such a micro level. The government in general is bad at IT, so they can be forgiven for being hacked out the wazoo. But who put a Hillary crony in charge and let her stay there?
So what you are saying is that isn’t the US’s fault that Russia hacked them because we were asking for it with bad security? Russia was just doing what comes natural to them when they see an easy to hack target(that also happens to be sanctioning them for invading another country)
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On June 22 2017 23:38 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:37 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth. "How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack?" "Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT." Therefore you're blaming Obama for the theft of data. Did you forget to read the rest of what I wrote? Your "take people out of context with selective quotes" game doesn't do you any favors.
Yes your argument included other pieces, but inevitably, the above 2 quotes mean you blamed Obama for theft of data. You then tried to muddle it by saying Obama only created the conditions for the effect of the hack to be great, but the logical import of your IT statement remains.
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On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead?
It works worse, to be sure. But not all places take plastic bag problems seriously.
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On June 22 2017 23:46 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:42 Plansix wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage But all the costs for dealing with a plastic bags are on the “back end” of disposal, recycling and clean up. The stores pay none of that, which is why they are being taxed. It is like the baby wipes that got super cheap and then they had to tax them because they were destroy sewer systems. The costs for cleaning up these things add up. that's not germane to anything i said. but thanks for the 10th "plansix presents 'the more you know!'" within the last ten pages of this thread of course plastics are a scourge upon the earth.
I could spend the majority of my time talking down to people and calling their posts stupid, but you seem to have that market cornered.
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