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On June 22 2017 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:38 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:37 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth. "How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack?" "Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT." Therefore you're blaming Obama for the theft of data. Did you forget to read the rest of what I wrote? Your "take people out of context with selective quotes" game doesn't do you any favors. Yes your argument included other pieces, but inevitably, the above 2 quotes mean you blamed Obama for theft of data. You then tried to muddle it by saying Obama only created the conditions for the effect of the hack to be great, but the logical import of your IT statement remains.
This is why I generally don't bother with you: your lack of understanding of context is always troublesome. In context it's quite clear that that was an aside more so than a core issue - and again, your out of context quote games do you no favors.
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Love the name, don't have time to read it all. Is it terrible or moderately acceptable?
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On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers.
I'm cool with it. The automation isn't the problem, it's simply revealing a problem that was always there.
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On June 22 2017 23:51 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:38 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:37 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC. But that's not what I'm saying, now is it? He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth. "How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack?" "Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT." Therefore you're blaming Obama for the theft of data. Did you forget to read the rest of what I wrote? Your "take people out of context with selective quotes" game doesn't do you any favors. Yes your argument included other pieces, but inevitably, the above 2 quotes mean you blamed Obama for theft of data. You then tried to muddle it by saying Obama only created the conditions for the effect of the hack to be great, but the logical import of your IT statement remains. This is why I generally don't bother with you: your lack of understanding of context is always troublesome. In context it's quite clear that that was an aside more so than a core issue - and again, your out of context quote games do you no favors.
It is an aside, but the logical import of your IT statement remains. That I didn't address the core argument doesn't mean I didn't take context into account. The aside still deserved to be refuted. Basically, I was mitigating the level of blame going to Obama, which yes, does not refute the core argument.
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On June 22 2017 23:58 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. I'm cool with it. The automation isn't the problem, it's simply revealing a problem that was always there.
I agree. I just worry that we are going to let the “free market” try to solve this problem, rather than address it head on.
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On June 22 2017 22:14 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:05 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. Seriously. It's bad enough that little is getting done for the coal miners/towns to help them move on, and that's such a small industry. Wide spread automation in the fast food sector is going to cause crime to rise. But it is quite obviously a waste to have a person do a job that a cheaper machine can also do. We just need to figure out a good way to distribute the added productivity to more people than just the McD shareholders
This happens automatically. Lower costs = cheaper products in a competitive marketplace. People eat at McDonalds. Every quarter pounder may effectively get a 20 cent "automation dividend" in the form of reduced prices.
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On June 23 2017 00:01 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:14 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 22:05 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. Seriously. It's bad enough that little is getting done for the coal miners/towns to help them move on, and that's such a small industry. Wide spread automation in the fast food sector is going to cause crime to rise. But it is quite obviously a waste to have a person do a job that a cheaper machine can also do. We just need to figure out a good way to distribute the added productivity to more people than just the McD shareholders This happens automatically. Lower costs = cheaper products in a competitive marketplace. People eat at McDonalds. Every quarter pounder may effectively get a 20 cent "automation dividend" in the form of reduced prices.
let's look historically at the data and find the last time a burger from mcdonalds went down in price
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On June 23 2017 00:02 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:01 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 22:14 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 22:05 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. Seriously. It's bad enough that little is getting done for the coal miners/towns to help them move on, and that's such a small industry. Wide spread automation in the fast food sector is going to cause crime to rise. But it is quite obviously a waste to have a person do a job that a cheaper machine can also do. We just need to figure out a good way to distribute the added productivity to more people than just the McD shareholders This happens automatically. Lower costs = cheaper products in a competitive marketplace. People eat at McDonalds. Every quarter pounder may effectively get a 20 cent "automation dividend" in the form of reduced prices. let's look historically at the data and find the last time a burger from mcdonalds went down in price
it'll slow the increase in their prices. there's plenty of stuff behind the scenes with their supply chain, purchasing, kitchen ops etc they're doing to keep costs low. kiosks is just another part of that, except it's more visible to the customer.
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On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately.
Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow.
Presentation is everything.
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On June 23 2017 00:02 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:01 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 22:14 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 22:05 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. Seriously. It's bad enough that little is getting done for the coal miners/towns to help them move on, and that's such a small industry. Wide spread automation in the fast food sector is going to cause crime to rise. But it is quite obviously a waste to have a person do a job that a cheaper machine can also do. We just need to figure out a good way to distribute the added productivity to more people than just the McD shareholders This happens automatically. Lower costs = cheaper products in a competitive marketplace. People eat at McDonalds. Every quarter pounder may effectively get a 20 cent "automation dividend" in the form of reduced prices. let's look historically at the data and find the last time a burger from mcdonalds went down in price
I can get two hamburgers for $1.19. I have no complaints about how effectively McDonalds deliver efficiency savings to the end consumer.
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On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage
what even is this string of nonsense? you've clearly missed the point of my message while also insulting me. you've added nothing to the conversation except to imply we should boast about paying for our bags. which, in light of calling me irrational, is hilarious.
oh you're the same asshole i called an asshole last time. no explanation needed, then.
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On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything.
I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection.
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On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection.
To a degree.
But Canada, UK, other European countries (this seems like a running trend, doesn't it?) have environmental taxes on things like bottles/cans/bags.
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On June 23 2017 00:09 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage what even is this string of nonsense? you've clearly missed the point of my message while also insulting me. you've added nothing to the conversation except to imply we should boast about paying for our bags. which, in light of calling me irrational, is hilarious. oh you're the same asshole i called an asshole last time. no explanation needed, then.
is the point of your message not something like, "a 5 cent price on bags has completely changed my shopping experience?" is that rational? it's an experience after all, maybe it's supposed to be irrational.
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On June 23 2017 00:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. To a degree. But Canada, UK, other European countries (this seems like a running trend, doesn't it?) have environmental taxes on things like bottles/cans/bags.
the US has had the same 5c tax on cans and bottles for longer than i've been alive, as well. the bag bit is newer, though.
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On June 23 2017 00:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. To a degree. But Canada, UK, other European countries (this seems like a running trend, doesn't it?) have environmental taxes on things like bottles/cans/bags.
We have laws that serve the same purpose. I don't exactly know if it is handled as a tax or the exact mechanics of it, but there is a law here in Germany that means that shops have to charge 0.10€ for bags.
Bottles and Bags are handled in a way that you pay a bit of extra money as a deposit for the bottle, and you may return it to the store (or any other store that sells bottled stuff) and get that money back.
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On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection.
this is the 11th instance. kwark is very clearly referencing a certain american historical/mythological event and you come back with this inane platitude that either 1) has completely missed the point or 2) fulfills a ridiculous need to chime in with something so vague and cliched that it is unchallengeable without being relevant enough to generate further dialogue
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On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection.
Sure, but I feel like Brits have a cynical acceptance that things are going to get worse in small and inconsequential ways and that petty nuisances are going to pile up indefinitely. When some supermarkets started charging for bags (do all of them do it now? It's been a while. I know a few do) we grumbled and bought the expensive reusable bags and then left them in the car and grumbled some more.
When the government intervenes in our lives to make our days marginally worse we respond with stoic cynicism.
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On June 23 2017 00:23 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. this is the 11th instance. kwark is very clearly referencing a certain american historical/mythological event and you come back with this inane platitude that either 1) has completely missed the point or 2) fulfills a ridiculous need to chime in with something so vague and cliched that it is unchallengeable without being relevant enough to generate further dialogue
am i the only one seeing this shit
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