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On June 22 2017 22:05 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. Seriously. It's bad enough that little is getting done for the coal miners/towns to help them move on, and that's such a small industry. Wide spread automation in the fast food sector is going to cause crime to rise.
The problem is those low income areas never are able to actually travel outside of 200 miles from their hometown. So they don't get to visit the EU and see how a lot of automation has taken over jobs anybody can do. They don't get the first hand experience we do. I remember seeing those Kiosks at a Mcd in Spain, and was like this is amazing, even has options the way I like my Mcchicken. No fuss with a person who barely understands English (this is really common in Miami).
However, I doubt the profits for Mcd will rise that much, a lot of the people I know barely eat Mcd anyways. That food is just fucking terrible for you, I don't even try. Spains Mcd definitely tasted 100x better. Social media, TV, and media in general has definitely played a large part in keeping our citizens relatively dumb. And it's definitely showing now - the internet was meant to be this vast sea of knowledge, which it is, but people are just using it for the wrong reasons, and now we have a large army of real life zombies. It went from bot net, to a real life horde.
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On June 22 2017 22:13 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:10 ChristianS wrote:On June 22 2017 22:08 LegalLord wrote:
Most supermarkets I go to these days have way more cash registers than they ever use - probably because the self serve registers eat up the lion's share of the traffic.
Honestly, automated kiosks are a fantastic idea. So are all the new online ordering schemes most places have. We just have to find a use for the grunts that used to do those jobs. I hate automatic kiosks in CA, maybe I'll write a blog explaining at some point Not nearly as bad as how greedy Californians are with shopping bags.
You realize it's because in CA you have to pay for a shopping bag. Where in almost all other red states, they don't give two shits about the eco system.
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On June 22 2017 22:05 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. Seriously. It's bad enough that little is getting done for the coal miners/towns to help them move on, and that's such a small industry. Wide spread automation in the fast food sector is going to cause crime to rise.
I am from one of those tiny communities that have a very limited economy for 30-50 miles around it. There are no jobs worth having that cover the cost of going to them. There are no apartments to rent outside of the small cities that also have no low skill jobs. No one is replacing these jobs as they are eliminated, even in the liberal stronghold of MA. This is death by 1000 cuts for the working poor.
On June 22 2017 22:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:13 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 22:10 ChristianS wrote:On June 22 2017 22:08 LegalLord wrote:
Most supermarkets I go to these days have way more cash registers than they ever use - probably because the self serve registers eat up the lion's share of the traffic.
Honestly, automated kiosks are a fantastic idea. So are all the new online ordering schemes most places have. We just have to find a use for the grunts that used to do those jobs. I hate automatic kiosks in CA, maybe I'll write a blog explaining at some point Not nearly as bad as how greedy Californians are with shopping bags. You realize it's because in CA you have to pay for a shopping bag. Where in almost all other red states, they don't give two shits about the eco system.
Considering how costly it is to deal with those plastic bags, it only makes sense to charge for them. There was an era where you brought your own basket to the market and we all didn’t die.
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Two of the nation's top intelligence officials told Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team and Senate investigators, in separate meetings last week, that President Donald Trump suggested they say publicly there was no collusion between his campaign and the Russians, according to multiple sources.
Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers described their interactions with the President about the Russia investigation as odd and uncomfortable, but said they did not believe the President gave them orders to interfere, according to multiple sources familiar with their accounts.
Sources say both men went further than they did in June 7 public hearings, when they provided little detail about the interactions.
The sources gave CNN the first glimpse of what the intelligence chiefs said to Mueller's investigators when they did separate interviews last week. Both men told Mueller's team they were surprised the President would suggest that they publicly declare he was not involved in collusion, sources said. Mueller's team, which is in the early stages of its investigation, will ultimately decide whether the interactions are relevant to the inquiry.
Coats and Rogers also met individually last week with the Senate intelligence committee in two closed briefings that were described to CNN by Democratic and Republican congressional sources. One source said that Trump wanted them to say publicly what then-FBI Director James Comey had told the President privately: that he was not under investigation for collusion. However, sources said that neither Coats nor Rogers raised concerns that Trump was pushing them to do something they did not want to do. They did not act on the President's alleged suggestion.
Trump has said repeatedly that no collusion occurred. "After 7 months of investigations & committee hearings about my 'collusion with the Russians,' nobody has been able to show any proof. Sad!" he tweeted June 16. The White House did not comment for this story. The DNI, NSA and Mueller's office also did not comment.
Because the meetings were classified, sources shared limited details. But they said the two intelligence leaders recounted conversations that appeared to show the President's deep frustration that the Russia allegations have continued to cloud his administration. The question of what the President said to Coats and Rogers has been hanging over the administration since The Washington Post reported the interactions in late May.
CNN has confirmed the March interactions between the intelligence chiefs and the President in which he made the requests. These came a few days after Comey publicly confirmed for the first time the existence of the federal investigation of potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
In a public Senate intelligence hearing earlier this month in which both men testified, senators in both parties grew frustrated and angry after neither would agree to clear up exactly what the President said to them. Rogers and Coats said they did not feel pressured to do anything but would not describe any details of their conversations with Trump.
"In the three-plus years that I have been the director of the National Security Agency, to the best of my recollection, I have never been directed to do anything I believe to be illegal, immoral, unethical or inappropriate, and to the best of my recollection during that same period of service I do not recall ever feeling pressured to do so," Rogers said during the public hearing.
Coats offered a similar response. "In my time of service, which is interacting with the President of the United States or anybody in his administration, I have never been pressured — I have never felt pressured — to intervene or interfere in any way with shaping intelligence in a political way or in relation to an ongoing investigation," he said.
The reason for their public reticence, one congressional source told CNN, is that Coats and Rogers had asked the White House for guidance on whether their conversations with the President were protected by executive privilege, which meant they would not be allowed to discuss it. They did not get an answer from the White House before testifying and did not know how to answer the committee. The result was an awkward and contentious public hearing.
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On June 22 2017 22:14 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:05 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:02 Plansix wrote:
We don’t have the robust social services and safety nets EU nations do. So it is eliminating low skill jobs in areas of the US where there might not be much of an economy to begin with. And the local, state and federal governments have not been interested finding ways to replace those jobs for a while. The super market I go to just added more self serve registers and got rid of most of their cashier registers. Seriously. It's bad enough that little is getting done for the coal miners/towns to help them move on, and that's such a small industry. Wide spread automation in the fast food sector is going to cause crime to rise. But it is quite obviously a waste to have a person do a job that a cheaper machine can also do. We just need to figure out a good way to distribute the added productivity to more people than just the McD shareholders, and give the people who now don't have to man a cash register something more useful to do. In my opinion, automatisation should be a net positive, we just need to make sure that it is not a large positive for some people and a negative to others. Instead, we need to figure out a way to make it a small positive to everyone. With automatisation, there is now more stuff then before. Distribution is the problem. And that is not easy to figure out, but it is something that we will eventually need to figure out. Low skilled jobs are easy to automate and they are not going to come back, because it makes no sense to have people doing them.
I fully agree. In an optimistic situation having boring, mundane, low income jobs replaced and allowing human beings to live closer to their potential and aspirations should be a positive. But with the current state of the country that isn't even close to happening with the current situation as it is now. Widespread automation will require a widespread restructuring of society to happen peacefully in its current state.
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On June 22 2017 22:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:13 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 22:10 ChristianS wrote:On June 22 2017 22:08 LegalLord wrote:
Most supermarkets I go to these days have way more cash registers than they ever use - probably because the self serve registers eat up the lion's share of the traffic.
Honestly, automated kiosks are a fantastic idea. So are all the new online ordering schemes most places have. We just have to find a use for the grunts that used to do those jobs. I hate automatic kiosks in CA, maybe I'll write a blog explaining at some point Not nearly as bad as how greedy Californians are with shopping bags. You realize it's because in CA you have to pay for a shopping bag. Where in almost all other red states, they don't give two shits about the eco system.
Yes, and?
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unpopular opinion - i like mcdonalds
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On June 22 2017 22:48 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 22 2017 22:13 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 22:10 ChristianS wrote:On June 22 2017 22:08 LegalLord wrote:
Most supermarkets I go to these days have way more cash registers than they ever use - probably because the self serve registers eat up the lion's share of the traffic.
Honestly, automated kiosks are a fantastic idea. So are all the new online ordering schemes most places have. We just have to find a use for the grunts that used to do those jobs. I hate automatic kiosks in CA, maybe I'll write a blog explaining at some point Not nearly as bad as how greedy Californians are with shopping bags. You realize it's because in CA you have to pay for a shopping bag. Where in almost all other red states, they don't give two shits about the eco system. Yes, and?
So your comment about them being greedy is pretty dumb and poorly informed.
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On June 22 2017 22:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:48 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 22:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 22 2017 22:13 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 22:10 ChristianS wrote:On June 22 2017 22:08 LegalLord wrote:
Most supermarkets I go to these days have way more cash registers than they ever use - probably because the self serve registers eat up the lion's share of the traffic.
Honestly, automated kiosks are a fantastic idea. So are all the new online ordering schemes most places have. We just have to find a use for the grunts that used to do those jobs. I hate automatic kiosks in CA, maybe I'll write a blog explaining at some point Not nearly as bad as how greedy Californians are with shopping bags. You realize it's because in CA you have to pay for a shopping bag. Where in almost all other red states, they don't give two shits about the eco system. Yes, and? So your comment about them being greedy is pretty dumb and poorly informed.
I know you're quick to jump onto any troll train, so it's hardly worth taking you seriously - but I wonder how anyone might think that it doesn't go without saying that that's the reason why.
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we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better.
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I like the fact that paying 5 cents for a bag means that the bag is actually going to carry things and not rip like the shit plastic bags everywhere else. I didn't mind the practice while I lived in Chicago.
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I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure.
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On June 22 2017 22:58 farvacola wrote:
I like the fact that paying 5 cents for a bag means that the bag is actually going to carry things and not rip like the shit plastic bags everywhere else. I didn't mind the practice while I lived in Chicago.
I always bring my REUSABLE (omg!) $1 bags whenever I go to California, which do their job just fine. I do like using those free rippable shit tier bags for trash bins and other small, generic purposes though. It's only a minor inconvenience and I can easily get over it, but it's certainly worth noting that my California relatives always take a gigantic stash of the plastic bags home whenever they visit.
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The answer to Trump’s question is: Mitch McConnell and a total distrust of congress.
If anyone listened to the testimony yesterday, the issue of trying to stop the Russian involvement was addressed. They tried to contact these states, but most of them were resistant to any form of federal involvement. And expanding the reach of those agencies would have required buy in from congress. Considering that congress was very busy leveraging Clinton investigation to help them win the election, there wasn’t a lot of trust floating around or will to do that. People need to discard the idea that the president can be solely blamed for not address these issues. Especially when congress would instantly weaponize any he did.
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On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure.
How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack?
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On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack?
Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT.
But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective.
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On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective.
I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC.
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On June 22 2017 23:29 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:21 LegalLord wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 Doodsmack wrote:On June 22 2017 22:58 LegalLord wrote:I will say this much: Obama deserves plenty of shit for helping to create the DNC under DWS that was so incompetent that the Russia matter not only happened but also was so consequential, and he deserves even more shit for allowing it to happen under his watch. The way he shilled for Hillary and her surrogates throughout the campaign season was frankly quite deplorable. He lost a lot of my respect in the final stretch of his tenure. How do you propose Obama should have prevented the DNC hack? Build a better organization in the DNC with more competent IT. But the hacking part isn't really the most consequential. Shit does get hacked and both the US and Russia have hacked enough of each other's shit over the decades to have something to show for it. The leak was what really matters, and more specifically how much of an effect it had. That was solely due to the highly human factor of DWS having all the charisma of a damp rag and the DNC making it clear that the Sandernistas could go fuck themselves if they didn't agree - which the leak did a fantastic job of putting directly into words. That would not have had such an effect if Obama and his administration did not pave the way for the hack to be so effective. I think it's a stretch to blame Obama for the theft of data from the DNC.
But that's not what I'm saying, now is it?
He is responsible for helping to create the environment that made them so potent. And as much as he likes to claim that he underestimated "weaponized disinformation" what he really underestimated was weaponized truth.
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