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United Kingdom13775 Posts
If there becomes a national push to charge for plastic bags, or paper bags if they choose that route, I'll suck it up and get over it.
Until that happens, though, fuck California and their stingy attitude towards bags. It's a minor inconvenience I'm not happy about.
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United States42772 Posts
On June 23 2017 00:28 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:23 IgnE wrote:On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. this is the 11th instance. kwark is very clearly referencing a certain american historical/mythological event and you come back with this inane platitude that either 1) has completely missed the point or 2) fulfills a ridiculous need to chime in with something so vague and cliched that it is unchallengeable without being relevant enough to generate further dialogue am i the only one seeing this shit
It's Igne. I have literally no clue what he was trying to say or who it was even directed at. I wasn't referencing anything but I was making inane and vague platitudes about the stereotypical cultural differences between Americans and Europeans. But he was responding to P6. I basically just ignore Igne when he doesn't make sense, which is most of the time.
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New health care plan should be dead on arrival in the house and dead on arrival with the public. It appears to get rid of the ability to waive pre existing conditions, which was fundamental to the house bill. On the other hand it still cuts Medicaid (only a year later in 2021 so it doesn't affect the 2020 election the evil bastards) and still lets states waive essential health benefits (i think.. It gets rid of the minimum standard requirement in 2020 but dunno if another part of the law intersects here). Thus we know that both a sizable number of Republicans in the house will hate it and it will be a failure as a bill bc it keeps up this voodoo economics principle of requiring coverage of pre existing conditions without a mandate. Plus cutting Medicaid and allowing the waiver of most if the essential health benefits is political suicide.
Ofc it won't even pass the Senate likely. Rand Paul won't vote for it and the 2 moderate female Repulicans said they won't approve it if it cuts PP, which this does for a year. That's 3 votes right there. It, ironically, is aborted (which can't be covered for a plan to qualify under the bill) before it is truly born
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In Switzerland bags newly also cost 0.05 francs.
People including me didn't like it because its annoying allways having to ask for a small bag, the cost never was the issue.
Big Bags we had to pay for as long as i can think.
I get why its done, i have no problem with the reason but still... Its annoying. I would pay 0.50 everytime just to get the bag automatically again. Is this rational? Hell no.
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United States42772 Posts
I think that the money goes to environmental projects in the UK. So it's not just extra $ for the supermarkets if they insist you pay for bags, they still provide the bags for free, it goes into a fund intended to offset the kind of damage that plastic bags cause. Which is how it should work honestly. You can choose to cause pollution if you like but you gotta pay into the fund that addresses that problem.
I've always been a fan of sin taxes where it's practical to collect them and it's transparent enough to be easily understood. They correct the problem of externalities in a free market without diminishing freedom. Assuming they're well managed, that is. For example in the UK smokers actually reduce public healthcare costs. I'd not advocate someone smoking but nor would I resent their use of public healthcare after they get lung cancer, they already paid their costs.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
I have also heard that smokers did wonders for the public pension fund, what with their lifetime contributions and their early death before it was time to start collecting.
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On June 23 2017 00:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. Sure, but I feel like Brits have a cynical acceptance that things are going to get worse in small and inconsequential ways and that petty nuisances are going to pile up indefinitely. When some supermarkets started charging for bags (do all of them do it now? It's been a while. I know a few do) we grumbled and bought the expensive reusable bags and then left them in the car and grumbled some more. When the government intervenes in our lives to make our days marginally worse we respond with stoic cynicism.
I mostly agree. I think the UK is farther along in accepting that nothing is free. But at some point every nation goes through the “the government is over reaching” stage with all tax collection. It also helps that the UK lost a really important war that was partly caused by really aggressive and public tax collection.
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Inevitable. Expect even more to jump ship. No doubt they saw this coming and is the reason they titled it "Discussion Draft."
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United States42772 Posts
On June 23 2017 00:54 LegalLord wrote:
I have also heard that smokers did wonders for the public pension fund, what with their lifetime contributions and their early death before it was time to start collecting.
Kill the old and the poor has always been good public policy, the problem is in the execution, specifically the proles complaining about all the executions.
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On June 23 2017 00:54 LegalLord wrote:
I have also heard that smokers did wonders for the public pension fund, what with their lifetime contributions and their early death before it was time to start collecting.
the actuaries appreciate their contributions.
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United States42772 Posts
On June 23 2017 00:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:25 KwarK wrote:On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. Sure, but I feel like Brits have a cynical acceptance that things are going to get worse in small and inconsequential ways and that petty nuisances are going to pile up indefinitely. When some supermarkets started charging for bags (do all of them do it now? It's been a while. I know a few do) we grumbled and bought the expensive reusable bags and then left them in the car and grumbled some more. When the government intervenes in our lives to make our days marginally worse we respond with stoic cynicism. I mostly agree. I think the UK is farther along in accepting that nothing is free. But at some point every nation goes through the “the government is over reaching” stage with all tax collection. It also helps that the UK lost a really important war that was partly caused by really aggressive and public tax collection.
You do realize that the American War of Independence has literally zero presence in the British public consciousness, right? I like my history but you'd struggle to get answers from a man on the street about the belligerents, issues under dispute, century it happened in or even who won. We do Tudors, WW1 and Hitler at school.
America doesn't have any history to speak of so they fluff up what they have. But, to paraphrase General Bison, "For you, the day Washington liberated your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."
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On June 23 2017 00:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:28 brian wrote:On June 23 2017 00:23 IgnE wrote:On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. this is the 11th instance. kwark is very clearly referencing a certain american historical/mythological event and you come back with this inane platitude that either 1) has completely missed the point or 2) fulfills a ridiculous need to chime in with something so vague and cliched that it is unchallengeable without being relevant enough to generate further dialogue am i the only one seeing this shit It's Igne. I have literally no clue what he was trying to say or who it was even directed at. I wasn't referencing anything but I was making inane and vague platitudes about the stereotypical cultural differences between Americans and Europeans. But he was responding to P6. I basically just ignore Igne when he doesn't make sense, which is most of the time.
are you telling me that the british ex-pat talking about american overreaction to a 5 cent rise in shopping bags, going so far as to suggest they might equate it with "tyranny", was NOT referencing the boston tea party????
@brian
i forgot how obtuse you were. i don't know how to interpret your incredulity though. ill just chalk it up to the eccentricities of an irrational man who is swayed by a nickel tax
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On June 23 2017 01:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:56 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:25 KwarK wrote:On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 brian wrote:
we have to pay bag tax here in my particular county in MD. i'm actually a big fan of the practice, and am constantly surprised now these days when i travel and people give me a bag without even asking for something that easily fits in my pocket.
i don't know how this post could possibly be relevant in a politics thread but i'm such a big fan of bag tax that i wanted to say so. for something as inconsequential as 5 cents a bag it has subconsciously changed my entire shopping experience. for the better. you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. Sure, but I feel like Brits have a cynical acceptance that things are going to get worse in small and inconsequential ways and that petty nuisances are going to pile up indefinitely. When some supermarkets started charging for bags (do all of them do it now? It's been a while. I know a few do) we grumbled and bought the expensive reusable bags and then left them in the car and grumbled some more. When the government intervenes in our lives to make our days marginally worse we respond with stoic cynicism. I mostly agree. I think the UK is farther along in accepting that nothing is free. But at some point every nation goes through the “the government is over reaching” stage with all tax collection. It also helps that the UK lost a really important war that was partly caused by really aggressive and public tax collection. You do realize that the American War of Independence has literally zero presence in the British public consciousness, right? I like my history but you'd struggle to get answers from a man on the street about the belligerents, issues under dispute, century it happened in or even who won. We do Tudors, WW1 and Hitler at school. America doesn't have any history to speak of so they fluff up what they have. But, to paraphrase General Bison, "For you, the day Washington liberated your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."
We downplay the war of 1812 in US history, so I’m not really surprised.
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United States42772 Posts
On June 23 2017 01:12 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 00:30 KwarK wrote:On June 23 2017 00:28 brian wrote:On June 23 2017 00:23 IgnE wrote:On June 23 2017 00:10 Plansix wrote:On June 23 2017 00:06 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2017 23:47 Simberto wrote:On June 22 2017 23:42 IgnE wrote:On June 22 2017 23:36 Gahlo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:33 IgnE wrote:
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you are obviously completely irrational. i actually think it's a complete waste of time to credit me 5 cents every time i use my own bag for groceries on the east coast. to base the number of bags used on anything other than mechanical carrying considerations, such as considering whether you can save a nickel, is completely ludicrous. they are de minimis par excellence
all americans should be proud to not give a shit about a nickel, especially when they are paying orders of magnitude more than that for a simple 12 oz water beverage I was under the impression that you didn't have to pay the tax if you used your own bags. in some areas you just get credited for bringing your own bags. they literally put a "-$0.05" bag credit on my receipts. im not in CA That sounds weird. Why don't they just make you pay 0.05$ for each bag you use instead? They do that here. If you want bags, put them on the tray with the stuff you buy. Pay them with everything else. It seems weird to make "buying bags" the standard and "bringing your own bags" the deviation that is handled seperately. Americans get weirdly upset about strange things. If you charge them for plastic bags then they might decide it's tyranny. If you increase the prices very slightly on everything and then pay them not to use plastic bags then although it's essentially the same process it now has two components which is more components than Americans can follow. Presentation is everything. I would not limit this to Americans. That is a problem as old as tax collection. this is the 11th instance. kwark is very clearly referencing a certain american historical/mythological event and you come back with this inane platitude that either 1) has completely missed the point or 2) fulfills a ridiculous need to chime in with something so vague and cliched that it is unchallengeable without being relevant enough to generate further dialogue am i the only one seeing this shit It's Igne. I have literally no clue what he was trying to say or who it was even directed at. I wasn't referencing anything but I was making inane and vague platitudes about the stereotypical cultural differences between Americans and Europeans. But he was responding to P6. I basically just ignore Igne when he doesn't make sense, which is most of the time. are you telling me that the british ex-pat talking about american overreaction to a 5 cent rise in shopping bags, going so far as to suggest they might equate it with "tyranny", was NOT referencing the boston tea party????
I wasn't trying to make an explicit reference, no. There is nothing that some American somewhere isn't calling tyranny. You guys just like calling things tyranny. It's your thing.
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Canadian history in school is like 3/4s British.
Which, granted, is wonderful when you actually want the context of parliamentary evolution, the agricultural/industrial revolution, European colonialism, etc.
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I'm sure this will be popular.
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United States42772 Posts
$2,000,000,000 seems like a shitton. How much is usually dedicated to substance abuse treatment and recovery? Unless the default is $2,000,000,000 so what they're actually doing is running the program for one more year and cutting it I'd not be too hasty to attack that.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
lol
But they both are quite poor leaders who preside over consistent failure.
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I'm not sure but considering Casey's from Pennsylvania I assume he knows what he's talking about. also their drastically cutting medicaid which helps fight it. Not sure what the total number was in in the house bill.
don't have the actual numbers.
I do know that in general people were bashing the Trump policy towards the crises
one thing I'm pretty sure is that these are long term issues that throwing money at once isn't going to fix the problem. It's like the VA, they can and have thrown a ton of money at it but that doesn't magically fix it especially if it's just a one time influx of cash
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