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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 22 2017 17:02 GMT
#158381
She is responding for calls for her to step down from leadership. Which always happens. Congressional leadership posts are both the mouth piece and punching bag for the respective parties in that chamber.

I still think Pelosi should go. But the call has to come from inside the house.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
June 22 2017 17:06 GMT
#158382
On June 23 2017 00:45 Velr wrote:
In Switzerland bags newly also cost 0.05 francs.

People including me didn't like it because its annoying allways having to ask for a small bag, the cost never was the issue.
Big Bags we had to pay for as long as i can think.

I get why its done, i have no problem with the reason but still... Its annoying. I would pay 0.50 everytime just to get the bag automatically again. Is this rational? Hell no.

They started like that in France and then they completely stopped selling those bags and we only have big bags which can be exchanged for a new one for free when they're worn out. Tbh, it was annoying at first but you quickly forget about it, you just have to remember to take a bag from home when going shopping. I always have one in my car just in case. It might be a little bit annoying when transitionning. That's really a small effort for big benefits imo.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 22 2017 17:06 GMT
#158383
On June 23 2017 02:02 Plansix wrote:
She is responding for calls for her to step down from leadership. Which always happens. Congressional leadership posts are both the mouth piece and punching bag for the respective parties in that chamber.

I still think Pelosi should go. But the call has to come from inside the house.


Well played sir.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 17:09:49
June 22 2017 17:07 GMT
#158384
I think if she should have gone the time was after the election. Now makes no sense. Georgia 6th wasn't that likely to win overall. Wasn't like Osoff was a perfect candidate. Like i said replacing Pelosi won't magically fix everything. now if she were to decide she was stepping down as leader after the next midterm I'd be fine with that but If the dems just rand good candidates and good campaigns they'd be in much better shape regardless of who the leadership was.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 22 2017 17:08 GMT
#158385


Today in terrible optics, the arrest of sick people protesting health care roll backs.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 22 2017 17:08 GMT
#158386
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 22 2017 17:11 GMT
#158387
On June 23 2017 02:08 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/877932956458795008

This president is indefensible. Stop the partisan charade, the man is simply unfit.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42777 Posts
June 22 2017 17:11 GMT
#158388
So Trump was threatening to dispute the Director of the FBI's story by releasing tapes that were not in his possession and may not even exist but if they do exist would be held by the FBI.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 22 2017 17:12 GMT
#158389
Someone probably told Trump to say that. But I think it's probably true. He is more incompetent than crook.

Judging by modern standards, Pelosi's removal would almost certainly require Russian assistance. If the DWS standard is used that would be necessary.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 17:13:13
June 22 2017 17:12 GMT
#158390
On June 23 2017 02:08 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/877932956458795008


Bahahaha the look on his face while some lawyer forced him to tweet this must have been amazing. Wish there were "tapes" of that.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 17:14:46
June 22 2017 17:13 GMT
#158391
On June 23 2017 02:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I think if she should have gone the time was after the election. Now makes no sense. Georgia 6th wasn't that likely to win overall. Wasn't like Osoff was a perfect candidate. Like i said replacing Pelosi won't magically fix everything. now if she were to decide she was stepping down as leader after the next midterm I'd be fine with that but If the dems just rand good candidates and good campaigns they'd be in much better shape regardless of who the leadership was.


They tried to remove her. There was a challenge and she won. Folks need to keep their powder dry and make a challenge at the start of the next congress. People keep jumping the gun on this shit and forgetting when the time to act comes around.

On June 23 2017 02:06 Seuss wrote:
Well played sir.

I would love to say it was intentional, but I only noticed the joke after I typed it.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 22 2017 17:15 GMT
#158392
I will say this much: removing Pelosi won't remove the systemic issues within the Democratic Party apparatus. Reid left but then he was replaced by Schumer, who is definitely worse and less effective. DWS was replaced by her anointed Hillary surrogate successors, both Brazile and Perez.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 22 2017 17:20 GMT
#158393
Weeks after Mayor Jim Kenney joined hundreds of other mayors across the country denouncing the White House’s move to reject the Paris climate accord, Philadelphia announced today that it has committed to transitioning to 100 percent clean energy. Currently, energy used by buildings and industry in Philadelphia accounts for 79 percent of carbon pollution in the city.

“In Philadelphia we’re not afraid of hard work and will do everything in our power to fight climate change,” Kenney said. In reference to President Donald Trump, Kenney continued, “No matter what havoc that guy wreaks over the next few years, we will recover from it and move on.”

In addition, Kenney argued that the hotter, wetter, and more extreme weather the city has experienced over the years due to climate change disproportionately affects the city’s most vulnerable residents, putting their lives at risk. “Transitioning to a just energy system that is clean and affordable for all will slow these changes and make Philadelphia a better place for current residents and future generations,” Kenney said.

The city’s commitment to 100 percent clean and renewable energy makes Philadelphia the 100th city—and the second largest city, at that—to sign onto the Mayors for 100% Clean Energy effort spearheaded by the Sierra Club. Local universities and college institutions, including Drexel University, have also signed the We Are Still In pledge to meet the goals of the Paris climate agreement.

The overall target year to transition to 100 percent renewable energy is 2035, Christine Knapp, director of Philadelphia’s Office of Sustainability, told Curbed Philly.

By Curbed’s last count, nearly 300 mayors of U.S. cities have adopted the Paris climate accord after the U.S. pulled out of the agreement, which is a non-binding contract that encourages countries to lessen their carbon footprint in an attempt to fight the global effects of climate change.

Philadelphia’s renewed efforts come after Kenney stated on June 1 that the city would be updating guidelines already in place for the city for its residents to take action against climate change. Managing director Mike DiBerardinis pointed to the city’s current city efforts, which include increasing tree canopy in every Philly neighborhood; an ongoing master energy plan; and the mayor’s Zero Waste initiative to prevent waste and reduce litter by 2035.

Most recently, SEPTA announced that it would be installing the second largest solar panel system in the city at four of its stations. There are also plans in place to reduce emissions from all city vehicles, DiBerardinis added.

The city’s utilities are already purchasing renewable energy, with a focus on increasing efficiency and reducing the amount of energy used, Knapp said. “Now that we know federal action isn’t coming, that’s why this pledge makes sense for us to not only reduce the amount of energy we use, but also pay more attention to the type of energy we’re using, as well,” Knapp said. “We know we need to ramp it up more.”

That includes use of solar panels at various Philadelphia Water Department outposts, she noted, as well as efforts to revamp the city’s electric vehicle parking spots bill. In April, City Council passed a moratorium on the bill, which previously allowed electric car owners to install car-charging stations by their homes.

Knapp acknowledged by the moratorium “might be upsetting” to some, but assured that the goal is to revamp the way the bill works so that it’s “way more accessible.” Less than 60 parking permits had been issued since the original bill passed 10 years ago. Now that the cost of electric cars is coming down, Knapp said, “the ultimate outcome is going to allow a lot more people to take advantage. It’s sort of a slight pause with progress to come.”

Kenney also announced that the city has made available online all of the climate data that was recently scrubbed from the Environmental Protection Agency website in April. This information, which includes background on why and how climate is changing, is now available at https://beta.phila.gov/climatechangeisreal, with open-source code available so other cities can copy the site to their own respective sites.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 22 2017 17:22 GMT
#158394
Come on, don't shit on Harry Reid. The man had to deal with the GOPs endless symbolic votes to repeal the ACA and a Senate that was happy doing literally nothing. There is effective leadership there when the plan since 2010 has been to wait till 2016. The senate can't do shit without the House sending up bills to change spending. And he full well knew that his job as leader was to be the whipping boy for the rest of the senate.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
June 22 2017 17:24 GMT
#158395
On June 23 2017 01:56 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 23 2017 01:39 Nevuk wrote:
MSNBC’s Casey Hunt caught up with Senator Rand Paul in the halls of the Capital Building this morning to ask his quick thoughts on the Senate version of the GOP Healthcare bill just released.

Paul was an initial and vocal critic of the House health care bill, and it appears that he is also frustrated with the version presented by his Senate colleagues, telling Hunt “looks like we’re keeping Obamacare, not repealing it.”

Rand Paul on CNN. He's not a fan.


“I love the arena. I thrive on competition and I welcome the discussion, but I am honored by this,” Pelosi said.

When Pelosi was asked if it was time for new House Democratic caucus leadership, she said she was “very confident” with her levels of support, and that “my timing is not about” her critics.

“We are paving a way for a new generation of leadership,” Pelosi said. “Again, I respect any opinion that my members have, but my decision about how long I stay is not up to them.”


From pelosi's press conference.


LOL. "We are paving a way for a new generation of leadership. Er, except me. I should totally stay."

She's also totally wrong - how long she stays in power is literally entirely up to the members of the house. She seems a bit further off her rocker than usual here. Pelosi is amazing at whipping votes, but as an actual leader she's not been the best.


She seems to only know how to handle a winning situation.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 22 2017 17:25 GMT
#158396
i don't feel too much w/r/t to pelosi. she's okay. an adequate minority leader, and a survivor. i wouldn't be surprised to see her as speaker again honestly, but there's definitely young blood in the dem caucus that is a couple years away from taking leadership.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 17:29:51
June 22 2017 17:26 GMT
#158397


Efficient without representation or public in put.

On June 23 2017 02:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
i don't feel too much w/r/t to pelosi. she's okay. an adequate minority leader, and a survivor. i wouldn't be surprised to see her as speaker again honestly, but there's definitely young blood in the dem caucus that is a couple years away from taking leadership.

After the Bush administration, I felt it was a bit much for the Democrats to install one of their most disliked members in leadership in 2008. I was as pissed as anyone else after Bush, but it just seemed petty and spiteful. I felt the same about Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff. Especially when their first plan was to pass a bill that they wanted Republican buy in on.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
June 22 2017 17:32 GMT
#158398
On June 23 2017 02:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
i don't feel too much w/r/t to pelosi. she's okay. an adequate minority leader, and a survivor. i wouldn't be surprised to see her as speaker again honestly, but there's definitely young blood in the dem caucus that is a couple years away from taking leadership.


The benefits to showing young, disillusioned voters that the party is actually changing would far outweigh any advantages she may have in general competence and experience.

Consider the reasons Trump won the election. In a post-Trump country, the toxicity of Pelosi can't be understated. I think you are taking a somewhat outdated perspective on the value of optics, symbolic stuff, etc.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 17:36:49
June 22 2017 17:35 GMT
#158399
On June 23 2017 02:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 02:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
i don't feel too much w/r/t to pelosi. she's okay. an adequate minority leader, and a survivor. i wouldn't be surprised to see her as speaker again honestly, but there's definitely young blood in the dem caucus that is a couple years away from taking leadership.


The benefits to showing young, disillusioned voters that the party is actually changing would far outweigh any advantages she may have in general competence and experience.

Consider the reasons Trump won the election. In a post-Trump country, the toxicity of Pelosi can't be understated. I think you are taking a somewhat outdated perspective on the value of optics, symbolic stuff, etc.

young voters don't vote, which is why they don't have much power.
actual competence and experience are underrated; sadly some people need periodic reminders of how important they are; hence trump, and the predictable mess.
I question what the actual benefits would be wrt disullisioned voters; if people wanna gripe they alwyas find something to gripe about.
that said, optics does have some value. it's sad how people sucker for optics and pay so little attention to the actual getting stuff done part.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 22 2017 17:36 GMT
#158400
pelosi is a good operator - like someone mentioned, she is good at whipping votes. rahm is a similar example of a good operator, and i get why obama picked him until his assholery caused more dysfunction than was worth it.

err, the republicans were never gonna vote for the ACA. there was cao but he was special and it was only for the draft legislation. not a rahm problem there - obama was definitely trying to reach across the aisle.
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