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On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
It's true that if you walk up to someone on the street and ask them what they think about rape, the answer's gonna be "it's bad and I don't accept it".
I don't know whether it's true that the pressure on both men and women not to speak out about being raped, and the disdain in which the people who do speak out are sometimes held, justifies the term "rape culture".
However, it's certainly not so far from the truth that the statement you and Whitedog are making (that the only way Biff could possibly believe it is that he's faking it to get in the pants of some feminist) is in any way justified or reasonable by the standards of civil debate.
Get a grip on yourselves and show some respect for the viewpoints of others.
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape, or have a bias towards the offender. And it's not a lose concept it's a fucking fact.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture. I am quite certain that if the accusation had been about getting beaten up, I, and all the other guys around would have been at least neutral.
And where you see why the term really means something is that at the end of the story, I believe it would have been better for the girl to shut up, because she ended up not being able to prove it happened (that's always very hard anyway), and met a wall of hostility from a shitload of people for months.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
Oh and what's wrong with you, there are no women here. You can't imagine that someone would care about women's condition without being either a woman himself or just for his self interest? Do you realize how messed up your way of thinking is?
So the senate was looking close but 538 has it swinging way back heavy into the dems favor. It actually had repubs favored not that long ago at 51% to 49% before trump imploded. Have to see if trump keeps dragging them down. They are going to need to sweep if they want to hold it in 2018 witch is looking more and more possible.
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture. I am quite certain that if the accusation had been about getting beaten up, I, and all the other guys around would have been at least neutral.
And where you see why the term really means something is that at the end of the story, I believe it would have been better for the girl to shut up, because she ended up not being able to prove it happened, and met a wall of hostility from a shitload of people for months.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
Oh and what's wrong with you, there are no women here. You can't imagine that someone would care about women's condition without being either a woman himself or just for his self interest? Do you realize what you are saying?
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
""Victim services agency” is defined in this study as a “public or privately funded organization that provides victims with support and services to aid their recovery, offer protection, guide them through the criminal justice process, and assist with obtaining restitution.” RAINN presents this data for educational purposes only, and strongly recommends using the citations to review any and all sources for more information and detail." The source you pulled that 11,2% number from clearly states that it's for educational purpose only and you should research it more.
I don't think suggesting that you can drastically reduce the chance of being sexually assaulted by reasonable behavior (being drunk heavily affects your decision-making) is rape culture. Saying she got raped because she was drunk doesn't mean that she deserved it, but that she could have done a way better job to avoid it. A close friend of my sister actually almost got raped a month or so ago. She was way too drunk and she willingly went up to his place (she was unable to make proper judgements), but she thankfully managed to get away (he tried to hold her down). She said that it was her fault for being drinking too much (which isn't entirely true, but definitely wouldn't have gone into his apartement if she was sober).
I don't find "How are you, beautiful?" humiliating. I had a homosexual guy trying to perform oral sex on me though and also several women touching my penis what I wasn't really a fan of. It can happen every once in a while, and the proper response isn't to demonize men, or sexuality.
On October 14 2016 21:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:19 SoSexy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:06 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture. I am quite certain that if the accusation had been about getting beaten up, I, and all the other guys around would have been at least neutral.
And where you see why the term really means something is that at the end of the story, I believe it would have been better for the girl to shut up, because she ended up not being able to prove it happened, and met a wall of hostility from a shitload of people for months.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
Oh and what's wrong with you, there are no women here. You can't imagine that someone would care about women's condition without being either a woman himself or just for his self interest? Do you realize what you are saying?
You are a lost cause.
Look, just don't talk if you have nothing to say, thanks.
On October 14 2016 21:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:19 SoSexy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:06 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
""Victim services agency” is defined in this study as a “public or privately funded organization that provides victims with support and services to aid their recovery, offer protection, guide them through the criminal justice process, and assist with obtaining restitution.” RAINN presents this data for educational purposes only, and strongly recommends using the citations to review any and all sources for more information and detail." The source you pulled that 11,2% number from clearly states that it's for educational purpose only and you should research it more.
I don't think suggesting that you can drastically reduce the chance of being sexually assaulted by reasonable behavior (being drunk heavily affects your decision-making) is rape culture. Saying she got raped because she was drunk doesn't mean that she deserved it, but that she could have done a way better job to avoid it. A close friend of my sister actually almost got raped a month or so ago. She was way too drunk and she willingly went up to his place (she was unable to make proper judgements), but she thankfully managed to get away (he tried to hold her down). She said that it was her fault for being drinking too much (which isn't entirely true, but definitely wouldn't have gone into his apartement if she was sober).
I don't find "How are you, beautiful?" humiliating. I had a homosexual guy trying to perform oral sex on me though and also several women touching my penis what I wasn't really a fan of. It can happen every once in a while, and the proper response isn't to demonize men, or sexuality.
Do you really believe that "how are you beautiful" is your average comment by sleazy dudes in the street?
make yourself a favour and WATCH this video. The whole thing.
Now about the rest of your reasoning. So, a girl shouldn't get drunk because otherwise she might be raped, and then it will be a bit her fault. Or am I missing something.
"Saying she got raped because she was drunk" you say. Well, maybe she got raped because the guy was a fucking rapist, what about that other explanation?
If I am drunk and get stabbed in the face not being able to run away, you won't say "well you got stabbed because you were drunk, it's not excusing it, you didn't deserve it, but that was the reason". You'll say: "oh gosh, you encountered a psychopath, it's messed up? Bad luck you were drunk "
Is cat calling rape culture? I don't like it but to say its rape culture seems to be odd, misogynist sure, rape? eh. I know that rape culture as a term can draw more attention due to the severity of it but that doesn't mean its the right characterization for all of these happenings nor does it lead to an understanding by those who may or may not suffer from misogynists, be it by rape or by catcalling. See all of the confusion leading on from your statement as to what it entails.
The accusatory tone you hold is exactly why people are turned off by the term rape culture, it doesn't seem people can respectfully have a talk about it without getting put away as being "part of the problem" or mysognist or "allowing rape to happen". It doesn't help if you want to have a productive discussion or try to persuade someone.
Edit: Anyway farva is right, stupid to talk about it here anyway.
This conversation will not get anywhere; those interested should check out the long defunct rape thread if they wanna know why. Needless to say, a discussion of rape/sexual assault on a board populated almost entirely by men is going to be missing a key voice, so better to move on to things more susceptible to discussion by our posters.
On October 14 2016 21:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:19 SoSexy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:06 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
""Victim services agency” is defined in this study as a “public or privately funded organization that provides victims with support and services to aid their recovery, offer protection, guide them through the criminal justice process, and assist with obtaining restitution.” RAINN presents this data for educational purposes only, and strongly recommends using the citations to review any and all sources for more information and detail." The source you pulled that 11,2% number from clearly states that it's for educational purpose only and you should research it more.
I don't think suggesting that you can drastically reduce the chance of being sexually assaulted by reasonable behavior (being drunk heavily affects your decision-making) is rape culture. Saying she got raped because she was drunk doesn't mean that she deserved it, but that she could have done a way better job to avoid it. A close friend of my sister actually almost got raped a month or so ago. She was way too drunk and she willingly went up to his place (she was unable to make proper judgements), but she thankfully managed to get away (he tried to hold her down). She said that it was her fault for being drinking too much (which isn't entirely true, but definitely wouldn't have gone into his apartement if she was sober).
I don't find "How are you, beautiful?" humiliating. I had a homosexual guy trying to perform oral sex on me though and also several women touching my penis what I wasn't really a fan of. It can happen every once in a while, and the proper response isn't to demonize men, or sexuality.
Do you really believe that "how are you beautiful" is your average comment by sleazy dudes in the street?
make yourself a favour and WATCH this video. The whole thing.
Now about the rest of your reasoning. So, a girl shouldn't get drunk because otherwise she might be raped, and then it will be a bit her fault. Or am I missing something.
"Saying she got raped because she was drunk" you say. Well, maybe she got raped because the guy was a fucking rapist, what about that other explanation?
If I am drunk and get stabbed in the face not being able to run away, you won't say "well you got stabbed because you were drunk, it's not excusing it, you didn't deserve it, but that was the reason". You'll say: "oh gosh, you encountered a psychopath, it's messed up? Bad luck you were drunk "
I don't know what your point is with the stats.
Damn dude this video seriously changed my mind. You are right. We trully live in a lowest point of human history. In a hundred years this time will be known as rape culture ages.
On October 14 2016 21:38 Kipsate wrote: Is cat calling rape culture? I don't like it but to say its rape culture seems to be odd, misogynist sure, rape? eh. I know that rape culture as a term can draw more attention due to the severity of it but that doesn't mean its the right characterization for all of these happenings nor does it lead to an understanding by those who may or may not suffer from misogynists, be it by rape or by catcalling. See all of the confusion leading on from your statement as to what it entails.
The accusatory tone you hold is exactly why people are turned off by the term rape culture, it doesn't seem people can respectfully have a talk about it without getting put away as being "part of the problem" or mysognist or "allowing rape to happen". It doesn't help if you want to have a productive discussion or try to persuade someone.
Edit: Anyway farva is right, stupid to talk about it here anyway.
No. Cat calling is sexist but not rape culture. Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". It doesn't mean that the content of the concept doesn't cover a reality, and that it should be dismissed.
Thanks a lot for your feedback concerning my tone. You don't mention NukeD calling me "a fucking clown" and "Sexy" agreeing.
On October 14 2016 21:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:33 Antyee wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:19 SoSexy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:06 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
""Victim services agency” is defined in this study as a “public or privately funded organization that provides victims with support and services to aid their recovery, offer protection, guide them through the criminal justice process, and assist with obtaining restitution.” RAINN presents this data for educational purposes only, and strongly recommends using the citations to review any and all sources for more information and detail." The source you pulled that 11,2% number from clearly states that it's for educational purpose only and you should research it more.
I don't think suggesting that you can drastically reduce the chance of being sexually assaulted by reasonable behavior (being drunk heavily affects your decision-making) is rape culture. Saying she got raped because she was drunk doesn't mean that she deserved it, but that she could have done a way better job to avoid it. A close friend of my sister actually almost got raped a month or so ago. She was way too drunk and she willingly went up to his place (she was unable to make proper judgements), but she thankfully managed to get away (he tried to hold her down). She said that it was her fault for being drinking too much (which isn't entirely true, but definitely wouldn't have gone into his apartement if she was sober).
I don't find "How are you, beautiful?" humiliating. I had a homosexual guy trying to perform oral sex on me though and also several women touching my penis what I wasn't really a fan of. It can happen every once in a while, and the proper response isn't to demonize men, or sexuality.
Do you really believe that "how are you beautiful" is your average comment by sleazy dudes in the street?
make yourself a favour and WATCH this video. The whole thing.
Now about the rest of your reasoning. So, a girl shouldn't get drunk because otherwise she might be raped, and then it will be a bit her fault. Or am I missing something.
"Saying she got raped because she was drunk" you say. Well, maybe she got raped because the guy was a fucking rapist, what about that other explanation?
If I am drunk and get stabbed in the face not being able to run away, you won't say "well you got stabbed because you were drunk, it's not excusing it, you didn't deserve it, but that was the reason". You'll say: "oh gosh, you encountered a psychopath, it's messed up? Bad luck you were drunk "
I don't know what your point is with the stats.
Damn dude this video seriously changed my mind. You are right. We trully live in a lowest point of human history. In a hundred years this time will be known as rape culture ages.
I'm not talking to you. I don't doubt a second about what your opinion are concerning women's rights, sexism, sexual assault and harassment.
Women are well aware of all the different ways they can be sexual assaulted. They are aware of them every day. Some women worry being alone in their office after hours. They really don’t need advice about how they could have been safer after they have seen sexually assaulted.
Really, I think the point women have been trying to make on the subject “I’ll handle me, you handled you” when it comes to sexual violence. That dudes should focus on trying prevent sexual assault, not tell women how to avoid it.
On October 14 2016 21:38 farvacola wrote: This conversation will not get anywhere; those interested should check out the long defunct rape thread if they wanna know why. Needless to say, a discussion of rape/sexual assault on a board populated almost entirely by men is going to be missing a key voice, so better to move on to things more susceptible to discussion by our posters.
This is on point. It a bunch of people from Nebraska talking about French Politics.
On October 14 2016 21:38 Kipsate wrote: Is cat calling rape culture? I don't like it but to say its rape culture seems to be odd, misogynist sure, rape? eh. I know that rape culture as a term can draw more attention due to the severity of it but that doesn't mean its the right characterization for all of these happenings nor does it lead to an understanding by those who may or may not suffer from misogynists, be it by rape or by catcalling. See all of the confusion leading on from your statement as to what it entails.
The accusatory tone you hold is exactly why people are turned off by the term rape culture, it doesn't seem people can respectfully have a talk about it without getting put away as being "part of the problem" or mysognist or "allowing rape to happen". It doesn't help if you want to have a productive discussion or try to persuade someone.
Edit: Anyway farva is right, stupid to talk about it here anyway.
No. Cat calling is sexist but not rape culture. Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". It doesn't mean that the content of the concept doesn't cover a reality, and that it should be dismissed.
Thanks a lot for your feedback concerning my tone. You don't mention NukeD calling me "a fucking clown" and "Sexy" agreeing.
On October 14 2016 21:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:33 Antyee wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:19 SoSexy wrote:
On October 14 2016 20:06 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
""Victim services agency” is defined in this study as a “public or privately funded organization that provides victims with support and services to aid their recovery, offer protection, guide them through the criminal justice process, and assist with obtaining restitution.” RAINN presents this data for educational purposes only, and strongly recommends using the citations to review any and all sources for more information and detail." The source you pulled that 11,2% number from clearly states that it's for educational purpose only and you should research it more.
I don't think suggesting that you can drastically reduce the chance of being sexually assaulted by reasonable behavior (being drunk heavily affects your decision-making) is rape culture. Saying she got raped because she was drunk doesn't mean that she deserved it, but that she could have done a way better job to avoid it. A close friend of my sister actually almost got raped a month or so ago. She was way too drunk and she willingly went up to his place (she was unable to make proper judgements), but she thankfully managed to get away (he tried to hold her down). She said that it was her fault for being drinking too much (which isn't entirely true, but definitely wouldn't have gone into his apartement if she was sober).
I don't find "How are you, beautiful?" humiliating. I had a homosexual guy trying to perform oral sex on me though and also several women touching my penis what I wasn't really a fan of. It can happen every once in a while, and the proper response isn't to demonize men, or sexuality.
Do you really believe that "how are you beautiful" is your average comment by sleazy dudes in the street?
make yourself a favour and WATCH this video. The whole thing.
Now about the rest of your reasoning. So, a girl shouldn't get drunk because otherwise she might be raped, and then it will be a bit her fault. Or am I missing something.
"Saying she got raped because she was drunk" you say. Well, maybe she got raped because the guy was a fucking rapist, what about that other explanation?
If I am drunk and get stabbed in the face not being able to run away, you won't say "well you got stabbed because you were drunk, it's not excusing it, you didn't deserve it, but that was the reason". You'll say: "oh gosh, you encountered a psychopath, it's messed up? Bad luck you were drunk "
I don't know what your point is with the stats.
Damn dude this video seriously changed my mind. You are right. We trully live in a lowest point of human history. In a hundred years this time will be known as rape culture ages.
I'm not talking to you. I don't doubt a second about what your opinion are concerning women's rights, sexism, sexual assault and harassment.
Both sides suck ass at a productive discussion when using catch all terms(at the very least in this way) like these is my point.
On October 14 2016 21:45 Plansix wrote: Women are well aware of all the different ways they can be sexual assaulted. They are aware of them every day. Some women worry being alone in their office after hours. They really don’t need advice about how they could have been safer after they have seen sexually assaulted.
Really, I think the point women have been trying to make on the subject “I’ll handle me, you handled you” when it comes to sexual violence. That dudes should focus on trying prevent sexual assault, not tell women how to avoid it.
On October 14 2016 21:38 farvacola wrote: This conversation will not get anywhere; those interested should check out the long defunct rape thread if they wanna know why. Needless to say, a discussion of rape/sexual assault on a board populated almost entirely by men is going to be missing a key voice, so better to move on to things more susceptible to discussion by our posters.
This is on point. It a bunch of people from Nebraska talking about French Politics.
Well and that's sad, you see.
I live in the hope that white people can care about black people's fate, or that men can give a fuck about what the life of a woman might be like sometimes. The Nate Silver map of vote by gender is really, really saddening.
I think sexism in the US is, and especially now in this election a political topic. But I've said what I have to say and I'm fine to move on.
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