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On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society?
Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously.
It effects 50% of the population. The majority of women you speak with will tell you they have been sexually assaulted and/or had to deal with unwanted sexual advances for a protracted period of time. That population feels powerless to speak out against sexism or sexual harassment when it happens.
It’s a big issue that is pretty widely ignored. Much like racism it is a very hard issue to talk about because the standard response is always “but I’m not sexist, I’m not causing this problem. Why are you talking to me?”
I'm going to need a source on the majority of women being sexually assaulted over a protracted period of time. A huge problem with this is you guys never source anything or you source that bogus 1 in 4 study and then post huge bomb statements like that.
There are 100% pockets of dudes that what you talk about is real (like young biff and his friends in that story), but the majority of people that get called out for "rape culture" are just skeptics that have become jaded by hearing stories of where these 1 in 4 stats come from, or from women who have ruined some guys lives by regretting a sexual encounter later. It's because of people padding out rape stats with things like being drunk = rape even with consent that you get skeptism when stories come out. When doubt is removed NO ONE defends rapists (see Brock Turner). I don't think it's a bad thing to say "let's wait to hear both sides", and I don't think it's right to say these people are pushing "rape culture".
I've spent a year in a County court being tutored by a judge here. There has been a lot of "rape" cases and I can tell you for a fact that over 90% of those were blatantly fabricated by women. Just saying.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society?
Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously.
It effects 50% of the population. The majority of women you speak with will tell you they have been sexually assaulted and/or had to deal with unwanted sexual advances for a protracted period of time. That population feels powerless to speak out against sexism or sexual harassment when it happens.
It’s a big issue that is pretty widely ignored. Much like racism it is a very hard issue to talk about because the standard response is always “but I’m not sexist, I’m not causing this problem. Why are you talking to me?”
I'm going to need a source on the majority of women being sexually assaulted over a protracted period of time. A huge problem with this is you guys never source anything or you source that bogus 1 in 4 study and then post huge bomb statements like that.
There are 100% pockets of dudes that what you talk about is real (like young biff and his friends in that story), but the majority of people that get called out for "rape culture" are just skeptics that have become jaded by hearing stories of where these 1 in 4 stats come from, or from women who have ruined some guys lives by regretting a sexual encounter later. It's because of people padding out rape stats with things like being drunk = rape even with consent that you get skeptism when stories come out. When doubt is removed NO ONE defends rapists (see Brock Turner). I don't think it's a bad thing to say "let's wait to hear both sides", and I don't think it's right to say these people are pushing "rape culture".
I've spent a year in a County court being tutored by a judge here. There has been a lot of "rape" cases and I can tell you for a fact that over 90% of those were blatantly fabricated by women. Just saying.
If men are bragging about acting sexually towards women without their consent and normalizing at as "locker room talk" you have a huge societal problem.
Whether you call it "rape culture" or "people are shitheads" doesn't matter. It's still a huge fucking problem, and arguing about what to call it won't make it go away. It'll just distract from the real problem. Which is usually what people want to do when they start complaining about people calling things rape culture.
On October 14 2016 22:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 22:06 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:57 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote: Maybe the term "rape culture is bad".
Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown.
There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture.
Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein.
Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other?
Yes.
Rape culture is (christ do I repeat myself) the attitude of people when a sexual aggression happen, and the fact sexual aggression or predatory behaviour are minimized and excused.
Harassment is an action by one individual over an other.
Is it too hard for you, or do you follow?
Well now isn't that a very convenient definition that you pulled out from your behind. Actually the term describes a much much broader behavior of society which includes all kinds of sexual assault, harassment, the thing you wrote, victim blaming etc.
Have you read the fucking thread??????????
On October 14 2016 17:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 17:26 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 17:07 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics.
The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist.
I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
lol rape culture ...
Yes?
Problem with that?
Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims.
For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares?
If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour.
and if you can't read the thread, read fucking wikipedia
Rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. There is disagreement over what defines rape culture and as to whether any societies currently meet the criteria for a rape culture. Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these. The notion of rape culture has been used to describe and explain behavior within social groups, including prison rape, and in conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire societies have been alleged to be rape cultures.
Or fucking google definition:
Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 197's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assaults and normalized male sexual violence
Are you THAT thick?
Look, stop talking to me, I'm simply not interested in both your opinions and your input about what I say, and I'll get banned out of sheer rage at how dumb the discussions are.
Ok I get it now. I guess you are right. Sorry but its hard to follow all the shit SJWs such as yourself come up with nowadays.
Still I stand by my point that the term "rape culture" itself is a joke.
Yeah. You have been calling me twice a clown for using a term you don't know and didn't bother to look at and didn't read the definition I gave three times in this thread in posts you answered to. And then you argued for 3 pages.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society?
Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously.
It effects 50% of the population. The majority of women you speak with will tell you they have been sexually assaulted and/or had to deal with unwanted sexual advances for a protracted period of time. That population feels powerless to speak out against sexism or sexual harassment when it happens.
It’s a big issue that is pretty widely ignored. Much like racism it is a very hard issue to talk about because the standard response is always “but I’m not sexist, I’m not causing this problem. Why are you talking to me?”
I'm going to need a source on the majority of women being sexually assaulted over a protracted period of time. A huge problem with this is you guys never source anything or you source that bogus 1 in 4 study and then post huge bomb statements like that.
There are 100% pockets of dudes that what you talk about is real (like young biff and his friends in that story), but the majority of people that get called out for "rape culture" are just skeptics that have become jaded by hearing stories of where these 1 in 4 stats come from, or from women who have ruined some guys lives by regretting a sexual encounter later. It's because of people padding out rape stats with things like being drunk = rape even with consent that you get skeptism when stories come out. When doubt is removed NO ONE defends rapists (see Brock Turner). I don't think it's a bad thing to say "let's wait to hear both sides", and I don't think it's right to say these people are pushing "rape culture".
I've spent a year in a County court being tutored by a judge here. There has been a lot of "rape" cases and I can tell you for a fact that over 90% of those were blatantly fabricated by women. Just saying.
Citation needed.
You want me to give you the judge's verdicts themselves? I've sat through all of those trials and i'm not lying. I'm not hating on women or anything, I just hate how things get blown out of proportion.
Why would you build a missile defense system around China or Russia? I can understand surrounding Iran or North Korea with such systems because they're poor as fuck and can't afford to build thousands of missiles but it doesn't seem logical against great/super/mega powers. If I recall correctly missile defense systems aren't cost effective.
On October 14 2016 22:28 TheTenthDoc wrote: If men are bragging about acting sexually towards women without their consent and normalizing at as "locker room talk" you have a huge societal problem.
Whether you call it "rape culture" or "people are shitheads" doesn't matter. It's still a huge fucking problem, and arguing about what to call it won't make it go away. It'll just distract from the real problem. Which is usually what people want to do when they start complaining about people calling things rape culture.
Trump has taken the biggest nosedive of his polling because of it. It doesn't seem to be too much of an issue since people have been denouncing him for it and noone apart from the biggest nutjobs tried to make up excuses for him.
On October 14 2016 22:29 NukeD wrote: You want me to give you the judge's verdicts themselves? I've sat through all of those trials and i'm not lying. I'm not hating on women or anything, I just hate how things get blown out of proportion.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society?
Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously.
It effects 50% of the population. The majority of women you speak with will tell you they have been sexually assaulted and/or had to deal with unwanted sexual advances for a protracted period of time. That population feels powerless to speak out against sexism or sexual harassment when it happens.
It’s a big issue that is pretty widely ignored. Much like racism it is a very hard issue to talk about because the standard response is always “but I’m not sexist, I’m not causing this problem. Why are you talking to me?”
I'm going to need a source on the majority of women being sexually assaulted over a protracted period of time. A huge problem with this is you guys never source anything or you source that bogus 1 in 4 study and then post huge bomb statements like that.
There are 100% pockets of dudes that what you talk about is real (like young biff and his friends in that story), but the majority of people that get called out for "rape culture" are just skeptics that have become jaded by hearing stories of where these 1 in 4 stats come from, or from women who have ruined some guys lives by regretting a sexual encounter later. It's because of people padding out rape stats with things like being drunk = rape even with consent that you get skeptism when stories come out. When doubt is removed NO ONE defends rapists (see Brock Turner). I don't think it's a bad thing to say "let's wait to hear both sides", and I don't think it's right to say these people are pushing "rape culture".
They don’t have a straight up report for all woman across the US, but the number is in the mid 40s for straight women and much higher for bisexual and lesbians. So while I was hasty to say it was the majority, it is a lot of women.
On October 14 2016 22:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 22:06 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:57 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:
On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote: Maybe the term "rape culture is bad".
Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown.
There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture.
Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein.
Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other?
Yes.
Rape culture is (christ do I repeat myself) the attitude of people when a sexual aggression happen, and the fact sexual aggression or predatory behaviour are minimized and excused.
Harassment is an action by one individual over an other.
Is it too hard for you, or do you follow?
Well now isn't that a very convenient definition that you pulled out from your behind. Actually the term describes a much much broader behavior of society which includes all kinds of sexual assault, harassment, the thing you wrote, victim blaming etc.
Have you read the fucking thread??????????
On October 14 2016 17:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 17:26 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 17:07 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics.
The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist.
I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
lol rape culture ...
Yes?
Problem with that?
Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims.
For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares?
If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour.
and if you can't read the thread, read fucking wikipedia
Rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. There is disagreement over what defines rape culture and as to whether any societies currently meet the criteria for a rape culture. Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these. The notion of rape culture has been used to describe and explain behavior within social groups, including prison rape, and in conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire societies have been alleged to be rape cultures.
Or fucking google definition:
Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 197's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assaults and normalized male sexual violence
Are you THAT thick?
Look, stop talking to me, I'm simply not interested in both your opinions and your input about what I say, and I'll get banned out of sheer rage at how dumb the discussions are.
Ok I get it now. I guess you are right. Sorry but its hard to follow all the shit SJWs such as yourself come up with nowadays.
Still I stand by my point that the term "rape culture" itself is a joke.
Yeah. You have been calling me twice a clown for using a term you don't know and didn't bother to look at and didn't read the definition I gave three times in this thread in posts you answered to. And then you argued for 3 pages.
I'm done talking with you. Bye
Do you not get what the term RAPE and term CULTURE implies? I am sorry but it is very important what the name is. The definition doesn't minimize its retardness.
Oh and what the poster before me said, looks like you are wrong after all, the definition isnt infact agreed upon so we might aswell stick to what the name itself implies. Now if you ask yourself that question, you will realise why it makes you look like a clown.
On October 14 2016 22:23 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well anyway, it's something she said once in 2013, is it something she still wants to do, and/or is it relevant?
Truth is that current technology for missile defense can do fuck all against any real nuclear threat. An ICBM is notoriously hard to shoot down even under extremely simplified scenarios. It's been compared to hitting a bullet with a bullet, although in the case of Russia, the US, and possibly China, it's like shooting down a bullet that can create fake bullets to throw you off, and that can change trajectories to mess up your targeting, with a bullet. And of course there are thousands of bullets and if all else fails they could just nuke your defense system pretty easily. The entire missile defense issue is more about being provocative than any actual missile defense.
On October 14 2016 22:29 NukeD wrote: You want me to give you the judge's verdicts themselves? I've sat through all of those trials and i'm not lying. I'm not hating on women or anything, I just hate how things get blown out of proportion.
If you throw around stats, you better be willing something to back it up if requested.
On October 14 2016 22:31 Sent. wrote: Why would you build a missile defense system around China or Russia? I can understand surrounding Iran or North Korea with such systems because they're poor as fuck and can't afford to build thousands of missiles but it doesn't seem logical against great/super/mega powers. If I recall correctly missile defense systems aren't cost effective.
I think you misread my comment, but remind us how Russia feels about the "defense system" we're installing over there in your neck of the woods?
EDIT: But at this point Trump is so terrible and third party so unrealistic (for Hillary supporters) that wikileaks could release an email from Hillary to Podesta maniacally laughing about a list of evil things she would do as president, and her supporters still would vote for her while minimizing/making excuses.
On October 14 2016 22:31 Sent. wrote: Why would you build a missile defense system around China or Russia? I can understand surrounding Iran or North Korea with such systems because they're poor as fuck and can't afford to build thousands of missiles but it doesn't seem logical against great/super/mega powers. If I recall correctly missile defense systems aren't cost effective.
From what I understand it's because China and North Korea are next to each other and if you want to protect yourself against North Korea ballistic capability you need to build your defense system around China too.
It's probably a terrible idea, which is why it's not a plan of her and is not in her platform. It's something she mentioned once in 2013 from what I understand, and I have no idea why it seems to be important.
On October 14 2016 21:38 Kipsate wrote: Is cat calling rape culture? I don't like it but to say its rape culture seems to be odd, misogynist sure, rape? eh. I know that rape culture as a term can draw more attention due to the severity of it but that doesn't mean its the right characterization for all of these happenings nor does it lead to an understanding by those who may or may not suffer from misogynists, be it by rape or by catcalling. See all of the confusion leading on from your statement as to what it entails.
The accusatory tone you hold is exactly why people are turned off by the term rape culture, it doesn't seem people can respectfully have a talk about it without getting put away as being "part of the problem" or mysognist or "allowing rape to happen". It doesn't help if you want to have a productive discussion or try to persuade someone.
Edit: Anyway farva is right, stupid to talk about it here anyway.
On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
No. Cat calling is sexist but not rape culture. Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". It doesn't mean that the content of the concept doesn't cover a reality, and that it should be dismissed.
Thanks a lot for your feedback concerning my tone. You don't mention NukeD calling me "a fucking clown" and "Sexy" agreeing.
On October 14 2016 21:44 NukeD wrote:
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On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown.
Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women.
You guys are really stubborn.
A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape.
There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture.
B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it.
If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused.
I think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich.
It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you.
""Victim services agency” is defined in this study as a “public or privately funded organization that provides victims with support and services to aid their recovery, offer protection, guide them through the criminal justice process, and assist with obtaining restitution.” RAINN presents this data for educational purposes only, and strongly recommends using the citations to review any and all sources for more information and detail." The source you pulled that 11,2% number from clearly states that it's for educational purpose only and you should research it more.
I don't think suggesting that you can drastically reduce the chance of being sexually assaulted by reasonable behavior (being drunk heavily affects your decision-making) is rape culture. Saying she got raped because she was drunk doesn't mean that she deserved it, but that she could have done a way better job to avoid it. A close friend of my sister actually almost got raped a month or so ago. She was way too drunk and she willingly went up to his place (she was unable to make proper judgements), but she thankfully managed to get away (he tried to hold her down). She said that it was her fault for being drinking too much (which isn't entirely true, but definitely wouldn't have gone into his apartement if she was sober).
I don't find "How are you, beautiful?" humiliating. I had a homosexual guy trying to perform oral sex on me though and also several women touching my penis what I wasn't really a fan of. It can happen every once in a while, and the proper response isn't to demonize men, or sexuality.
Do you really believe that "how are you beautiful" is your average comment by sleazy dudes in the street?
make yourself a favour and WATCH this video. The whole thing.
Now about the rest of your reasoning. So, a girl shouldn't get drunk because otherwise she might be raped, and then it will be a bit her fault. Or am I missing something.
"Saying she got raped because she was drunk" you say. Well, maybe she got raped because the guy was a fucking rapist, what about that other explanation?
If I am drunk and get stabbed in the face not being able to run away, you won't say "well you got stabbed because you were drunk, it's not excusing it, you didn't deserve it, but that was the reason". You'll say: "oh gosh, you encountered a psychopath, it's messed up? Bad luck you were drunk "
I don't know what your point is with the stats.
Damn dude this video seriously changed my mind. You are right. We trully live in a lowest point of human history. In a hundred years this time will be known as rape culture ages.
I'm not talking to you. I don't doubt a second about what your opinion are concerning women's rights, sexism, sexual assault and harassment.
Both sides suck ass at a productive discussion when using catch all terms(at the very least in this way) like these is my point.
Basically true. If you put the other side, or even someone just entering the discussion in the position of "defending rape culture" or "another voice pretending it doesn't exist," you're part of the problem with talking about sexual assault or harassment on campus. If the other side was to use the same strategy of catch-all terms and expansive attacking here, you'd rightly have cause to complain, though your own pretenses would be more on show.
On October 14 2016 22:29 NukeD wrote: You want me to give you the judge's verdicts themselves? I've sat through all of those trials and i'm not lying. I'm not hating on women or anything, I just hate how things get blown out of proportion.
If you throw around stats, you better be willing something to back it up if requested.
If you are serious about this we can take it to PM.
On October 14 2016 22:31 Sent. wrote: Why would you build a missile defense system around China or Russia? I can understand surrounding Iran or North Korea with such systems because they're poor as fuck and can't afford to build thousands of missiles but it doesn't seem logical against great/super/mega powers. If I recall correctly missile defense systems aren't cost effective.
the way I understood it it's in response to North Korea. You can't "ring" North Korea because the chinese won't let you build missile defenses in China and China/Russia happens to be where North Korea is. Probably more so if North Korea wanted to aim at the US, not that they have the reach with their rockets anyways. Obviously pretending that it's only for that which is false but that's the explanation behind it I think
On October 14 2016 22:31 Sent. wrote: Why would you build a missile defense system around China or Russia? I can understand surrounding Iran or North Korea with such systems because they're poor as fuck and can't afford to build thousands of missiles but it doesn't seem logical against great/super/mega powers. If I recall correctly missile defense systems aren't cost effective.
I think you misread my comment, but remind us how Russia feels about the "defense system" we're installing over there in your neck of the woods?
The US - Russia balance of power holds by the Mutual Annihilation doctrine. If you build an anti missile system around them, suddenly the balance changes drastically: the US can annihilate Russia, but Russia can't annihilate the US.
That's a historical doctrine that has existed from the cold war.
I don't think the US - Chinese relations are based on any such doctrine. And North Korea, well...
But again and again, it's probably a terrible idea and it's not in Clinton platform. What's the deal here exactly?
The relationship between genders when it comes to sex and courtship (seduction) is an extremely complicated matter, and there is no simple way to address it. I do agree women remain far too vulnerable to actual assault and sexual bullying, and that this is a real issue we need to work on, but the term "rape culture" is simply not the best one, and the people fighting for the cause need to choose another banner in addition to facing some serious issues they have willfully chosen to ignore.
Women simply do prefer assertive powerful men. They do prefer "aggressive" men. It might be deeply illogical and unfortunate, but it is a pragmatic fact of reality. It is the way Homo Sapiens mates, and anyone honest with themselves who's not angered by their own sexual frustration will begrudgingly recognize this.
A vast majority of females (that have not experienced sexual trauma of course) strongly prefer a hint of "sexual aggression", they do respond to "dominance", they do respond to a certain degree of autonomous boldness, and sometimes you simply do have to kiss the girl (or as "dogs" would figuratively put it "grab her by the pussy"), or you will lose her to a more confident man - even though she is not holding up a consent poster. Until the split second the woman actively resists (which is the clear line of real sexual assault as far as I am concerned) the distinction between "alpha" behavior that often brings great real-life success with women, and cancerous behavior that terrorizes them is nearly impossible to draw.
And that, in a nutshell, is why some people are willing to forgive Trump for his "locker room" talk (though he is still a pig because he's clearly crossed this line habitually).
Cat-calling is also a nuanced concept because it is in many ways an instinctive response to the sexual power an attractive woman willingly exerts upon the male subconsciousness. No, this does not mean they "deserve" to be groped let alone assaulted (!), but it is a particular form of violence against men that I feel is never properly addressed.
What I just said perhaps makes some people facepalm and cringe, but your problem then lies with the factual reality of sexual relations between men and women and not with my speculation.
Women rage about the necessity of wearing make-up 24/7 and about being objectified all the time, but most of them nevertheless spend half their money and time specifically on the task of appearing sexually attractive to men in a radius as wide as possible, because that gives them vast amounts of "soft" power over men.
Our culture has been glorifying female sexual liberation for 30 years non-stop, in addition to enforcing highly dubious ideas of "gender fluidity" marshaled by the exact same people using the term rape culture, to a point where most female celebrities (women adored and mimicked by young girls all across the world) are famous for some kind of porn, and many of them, frankly, act like sluts - or more precisely, they act like men. Why don't we ever talk about that? Do you think this contributes to the problem of rape culture or not?
Post-Samantha, in the age of Miley Cyrus and the Kardashians, is it safe to say we have a "whore culture" problem in addition to a "rape culture" problem? Is this a legitimate topic to discuss or am I deplorable? I don't know but if someone is triggered by the obscene (and deliberately obtuse) way I framed this, they should understand that championing beta behavior as a one-stop solution to the issues of violence between genders triggers many people, too, and directly helps politicians like Trump rally the silent majority.
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