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On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown. There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture.
Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein.
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On October 14 2016 21:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 20:19 SoSexy wrote:On October 14 2016 20:06 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote:
Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ?
If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity".
I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player.
And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her. Rape culture is not only about rape. I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour. You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept". Jesus tap dancing christ... Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown. Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women. You guys are really stubborn. A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape, or have a bias towards the offender. And it's not a lose concept it's a fucking fact. There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture. I am quite certain that if the accusation had been about getting beaten up, I, and all the other guys around would have been at least neutral. And where you see why the term really means something is that at the end of the story, I believe it would have been better for the girl to shut up, because she ended up not being able to prove it happened (that's always very hard anyway), and met a wall of hostility from a shitload of people for months. B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it. If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused. I think none of us has experienced sexual assault. 11,2% of 18-24 female students on american campuses have. https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violenceI think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich. It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you. Oh and what's wrong with you, there are no women here. You can't imagine that someone would care about women's condition without being either a woman himself or just for his self interest? Do you realize how messed up your way of thinking is?
The issue i think this whole "rape culture" thing has numerous issues most of which is the rampant misleading statistics, half truths, and the seemingly unquenching need to try to have USA universities somehow be judge and jury in what should be a criminal case.
Sexual assault needs to be reclassified as it is far too broad of a blanket statement. When the 1/4 statistic is cited, many assume it means rape. This assumption is used to further the motif of rape culture throughout the USA. This is incredibly inaccurate and does the gender movement a disservice by making people skeptical of their future argumemts thereby hurting the cause down the line.
Consent has numerous shades of grey. You have people who believe if either party is drunk it is automatically rape because by definition someone drunk cannot consent. This would mean couples and friends are routinely raping each other every weekend all across the globe. This is rificulous and hurts the cause.
Predators are disgusting people. But lumping in everyday people with sexual predators in biased statistics does nobody any good. There are nuances to things but instead people love to speak in generalities to get everyone riled up to one side or the other of the argument.
Lastly, saying college campuses have a rape epidemic (again using the misleading 25% statistic) is stupid. Ive already mentioned my issues with this statistic, but the very same study says the rate of students sexually assaulted is actually lower than the population at large! This means if there is an epidemic, it sure doesnt start and end with college. In addition, rape is a criminal case and also very difficult to prove. Its hard enough for the justice system? Why try to have the universities handle this? The rationale is that the universities have less burden of proof and there is actually a presumption of guilt rather than innocence on the male side. Its a joke!
Rape and sexual assault are terrible things but not one in the same. Lumping them together is incredibly misleading and i expect a backlash to all of this stuff eventually.
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On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler + "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech. It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society?
Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously.
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On October 14 2016 21:54 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 21:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 20:19 SoSexy wrote:On October 14 2016 20:06 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 19:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote:
Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ?
If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity".
I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player.
And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her. Rape culture is not only about rape. I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour. You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept". Jesus tap dancing christ... Anyone using the term rape culture seriously is a fucking clown. Agree. That due is arguing rape is accepted...it is not. The fact that 10 people in a southern village in Italy/Appalachian/Los Angeles ghetto accept it does not make it accepted in the Western world. I think Whitedog hit the nail - just someone trying to look cool with women. You guys are really stubborn. A. Rape is not accepted but it's a fact that it's one of the most under reported crime, and the most likely to be excused or minimized (she was consenting, look how she was dressed etc...) When rape is proven, everybody agrees it's bad. "Rape culture" doesn't mean that rape (or sexual assault) is accepted. It means that people will say it was not rape, or have a bias towards the offender. And it's not a lose concept it's a fucking fact. There has been an accusation of rape in my college when I was there. 95% of the dudes minimized it, said it's because she was drunk and basically blamed the girl. Including, to my great shame, a 20 years old version of myself. I don't remember a single dude taking the girl's side or even being neutral. Well that's rape culture. I am quite certain that if the accusation had been about getting beaten up, I, and all the other guys around would have been at least neutral. And where you see why the term really means something is that at the end of the story, I believe it would have been better for the girl to shut up, because she ended up not being able to prove it happened (that's always very hard anyway), and met a wall of hostility from a shitload of people for months. B. Rape culture references to all kind of sexual aggression, rape being the worst of them. Maybe the term "sexual assault culture" or even "sexual offensive behaviour culture" didn't make it because it has no ring to it. If all you find to say to the term "rape culture" is "Duuuuuuuh nobody likes rape it's bs", you are the one having a problem. Nobody ever claimed rape was accepted, but rather that sexual assaults, including rape are very, very often unreported, minimized, and excused. I think none of us has experienced sexual assault. 11,2% of 18-24 female students on american campuses have. https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violenceI think none of us has had someone masturbating at us in the public transport, none of us has had a lifetime of objectification and humiliating comments by dudes in the street, and none of us has had his penis grabbed by a disgusting old ugly sleazy fat man who then bragged about getting away with it because he is rich. It's easy not to give a fuck when it's not about you. Oh and what's wrong with you, there are no women here. You can't imagine that someone would care about women's condition without being either a woman himself or just for his self interest? Do you realize how messed up your way of thinking is? The issue i think this whole "rape culture" thing has numerous issues most of which is the rampant misleading statistics, half truths, and the seemingly unquenching need to try to have USA universities somehow be judge and jury in what should be a criminal case. Sexual assault needs to be reclassified as it is far too broad of a blanket statement. When the 1/4 statistic is cited, many assume it means rape. This assumption is used to further the motif of rape culture throughout the USA. This is incredibly inaccurate and does the gender movement a disservice by making people skeptical of their future argumemts thereby hurting the cause down the line. Consent has numerous shades of grey. You have people who believe if either party is drunk it is automatically rape because by definition someone drunk cannot consent. This would mean couples and friends are routinely raping each other every weekend all across the globe. This is rificulous and hurts the cause. Predators are disgusting people. But lumping in everyday people with sexual predators in biased statistics does nobody any good. There are nuances to things but instead people love to speak in generalities to get everyone riled up to one side or the other of the argument. Lastly, saying college campuses have a rape epidemic (again using the misleading 25% statistic) is stupid. Ive already mentioned my issues with this statistic, but the very same study says the rate of students sexually assaulted is actually lower than the population at large! This means if there is an epidemic, it sure doesnt start and end with college. In addition, rape is a criminal case and also ery difficult to prove. Its hard enough for the justice system? Why try to have the universities handle this? The rationale is that the universities have less burden of proof and there is actually a presumption of guilt rather than innocence on the male side. Its a joke! Rape and sexual assault are terrible things but not one in the same. Lumping them together is incredibly misleading and i expect a backlash to all of this stuff eventually.
That's a fair point.
On October 14 2016 21:54 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech. It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok. Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society? Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously.
Well, yeah. Just like racism, I think sexism is an extremely, extremely important issue and one of the most defining in a contemporary society. It's mainly invisible (especially if you are a dude), but it partly shape the everyday life of most of us.
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On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown. There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture. Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein.
Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other?
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On October 14 2016 21:54 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech. It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok. Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society? Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously.
It effects 50% of the population. The majority of women you speak with will tell you they have been sexually assaulted and/or had to deal with unwanted sexual advances for a protracted period of time. That population feels powerless to speak out against sexism or sexual harassment when it happens.
It’s a big issue that is pretty widely ignored. Much like racism it is a very hard issue to talk about because the standard response is always “but I’m not sexist, I’m not causing this problem. Why are you talking to me?”
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On October 14 2016 21:57 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown. There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture. Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein. Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other?
Yes.
Rape culture is (christ do I repeat myself) the attitude of people when a sexual aggression happen, and the fact sexual aggression or predatory behaviour are minimized and excused.
Harassment is an action by one individual over an other.
Is it too hard for you, or do you follow?
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Instead of rape, can we talk about Clintons suggestion to build a missile network around China if it doesn't force itself into North Korea? Wait...
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On October 14 2016 22:02 a_flayer wrote:
Instead of rape, can we talk about Clintons suggestion to build a missile network around China if it doesn't force itself into North Korea? Wait...
Building a missile defense system against a nuclearized North Korea sounds like a reasonably good idea to me?
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On October 14 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 21:57 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown. There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture. Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein. Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other? Yes. Rape culture is (christ do I repeat myself) the attitude of people when a sexual aggression happen, and the fact sexual aggression or predatory behaviour are minimized and excused. Harassment is an action by one individual over an other. Is it too hard for you, or do you follow?
Well now isn't that a very convenient definition that you pulled out from your behind. Actually the term describes a much much broader behavior of society which includes all kinds of sexual assault, harassment, the thing you wrote, victim blaming etc.
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On October 14 2016 22:02 a_flayer wrote:
Instead of rape, can we talk about Clintons suggestion to build a missile network around China if it doesn't force itself into North Korea? Wait...
Because suggesting we get missile defense around a state that shows no sign in halting its nuclear ambitions if the largest power in the area (who has also been the nation that could put the most pressure onto NK) is unable to do anything to halt it is so controversial.
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On October 14 2016 22:02 a_flayer wrote:
Instead of rape, can we talk about Clintons suggestion to build a missile network around China if it doesn't force itself into North Korea? Wait...
Nope, clearly surrounding a country with missiles doesn't strike the new Democratic party as problematic. It's almost like they genuinely don't see it coming.
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On October 14 2016 22:06 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:57 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown. There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture. Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein. Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other? Yes. Rape culture is (christ do I repeat myself) the attitude of people when a sexual aggression happen, and the fact sexual aggression or predatory behaviour are minimized and excused. Harassment is an action by one individual over an other. Is it too hard for you, or do you follow? Well now isn't that a very convenient definition that you pulled out from your behind. Actually the term describes a much much broader behavior of society which includes all kinds of sexual assault, harassment, the thing you wrote, victim blaming etc.
Have you read the fucking thread??????????
On October 14 2016 17:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 17:26 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 17:07 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist. Compare DJT: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/290121-trump-on-paying-for-infrastructure-projects-well-get-a-fundWith Ryan: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216 I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter. On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech. It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok. lol rape culture ... Yes? Problem with that? Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims. For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares? If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour.
and if you can't read the thread, read fucking wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture
Rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. There is disagreement over what defines rape culture and as to whether any societies currently meet the criteria for a rape culture.
Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these. The notion of rape culture has been used to describe and explain behavior within social groups, including prison rape, and in conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire societies have been alleged to be rape cultures.
Or fucking google definition:
Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 197's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assaults and normalized male sexual violence
Are you THAT thick?
Look, stop talking to me, I'm simply not interested in both your opinions and your input about what I say, and I'll get banned out of sheer rage at how dumb the discussions are.
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My understanding is that there is a distinction between a "missile defence system" and a "missile system" intended for attack.
Not that the former isn't in some sense a threat (since it raises the possibility of a unilateral attack) but there is a distinction, isn't there?
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On October 14 2016 21:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 21:54 Little-Chimp wrote:On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech. It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok. Sexism and rape culture are among the number 1 problems in today's society? Are you high? Or in saudi arabia? It's exaggerations like this that make it hard to take this term seriously. It effects 50% of the population. The majority of women you speak with will tell you they have been sexually assaulted and/or had to deal with unwanted sexual advances for a protracted period of time. That population feels powerless to speak out against sexism or sexual harassment when it happens. It’s a big issue that is pretty widely ignored. Much like racism it is a very hard issue to talk about because the standard response is always “but I’m not sexist, I’m not causing this problem. Why are you talking to me?”
I'm going to need a source on the majority of women being sexually assaulted over a protracted period of time. A huge problem with this is you guys never source anything or you source that bogus 1 in 4 study and then post huge bomb statements like that.
There are 100% pockets of dudes that what you talk about is real (like young biff and his friends in that story), but the majority of people that get called out for "rape culture" are just skeptics that have become jaded by hearing stories of where these 1 in 4 stats come from, or from women who have ruined some guys lives by regretting a sexual encounter later. It's because of people padding out rape stats with things like being drunk = rape even with consent that you get skeptism when stories come out. When doubt is removed NO ONE defends rapists (see Brock Turner). I don't think it's a bad thing to say "let's wait to hear both sides", and I don't think it's right to say these people are pushing "rape culture".
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On October 14 2016 22:15 Aquanim wrote:
My understanding is that there is a distinction between a "missile defence system" and a "missile system" intended for attack.
Not that the former isn't in some sense a threat (since it raises the possibility of a unilateral attack) but there is a distinction, isn't there?
Not to the country surrounded with missiles (particularly when they aren't there to defend them). I doubt Kim (a guy who kills people for falling asleep at meetings) would appreciate the difference either.
Think for a moment if Russia and China wanted to ring the US with missiles to prevent us from using nukes, and how that would go over.
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On October 14 2016 22:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 22:02 a_flayer wrote:
Instead of rape, can we talk about Clintons suggestion to build a missile network around China if it doesn't force itself into North Korea? Wait... Building a missile defense system against a nuclearized North Korea sounds like a reasonably good idea to me?
Don't think North Korea has good enough missile technology for that to be worth the backlash from countries who aren't too fond of that kind of military buildup.
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Well anyway, it's something she said once in 2013, is it something she still wants to do, and/or is it relevant?
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On October 14 2016 22:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 22:06 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:57 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown. There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture. Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein. Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other? Yes. Rape culture is (christ do I repeat myself) the attitude of people when a sexual aggression happen, and the fact sexual aggression or predatory behaviour are minimized and excused. Harassment is an action by one individual over an other. Is it too hard for you, or do you follow? Well now isn't that a very convenient definition that you pulled out from your behind. Actually the term describes a much much broader behavior of society which includes all kinds of sexual assault, harassment, the thing you wrote, victim blaming etc. Have you read the fucking thread??????????Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 17:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 17:26 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 17:07 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist. Compare DJT: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/290121-trump-on-paying-for-infrastructure-projects-well-get-a-fundWith Ryan: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216 I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter. On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech. It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok. lol rape culture ... Yes? Problem with that? Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims. For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares? If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour. and if you can't read the thread, read fucking wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_cultureShow nested quote +Rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. There is disagreement over what defines rape culture and as to whether any societies currently meet the criteria for a rape culture.
Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these. The notion of rape culture has been used to describe and explain behavior within social groups, including prison rape, and in conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire societies have been alleged to be rape cultures. Or fucking google definition: Show nested quote +Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 197's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assaults and normalized male sexual violence Are you THAT thick? Look, stop talking to me, I'm simply not interested in both your opinions and your input about what I say, and I'll get banned out of sheer rage at how dumb the discussions are.
Ok I get it now. I guess you are right. Sorry but its hard to follow all the shit SJWs such as yourself come up with nowadays.
Still I stand by my point that the term "rape culture" itself is a joke.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2016 22:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 22:06 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:57 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 21:52 NukeD wrote:On October 14 2016 21:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Maybe the term "rape culture is bad". Ah finally. Yes. It is in fact so bad that it makes you look like a clown. There is merit to things you talk about about harassment but its all thrown out the window when you use the term rape culture. Because it's not the same thing at all and rape culture and harassment have nothing to do with each other, Einstein. Rape culture term and sexual harassment have nothing to do with each other? Yes. Rape culture is (christ do I repeat myself) the attitude of people when a sexual aggression happen, and the fact sexual aggression or predatory behaviour are minimized and excused. Harassment is an action by one individual over an other. Is it too hard for you, or do you follow? Well now isn't that a very convenient definition that you pulled out from your behind. Actually the term describes a much much broader behavior of society which includes all kinds of sexual assault, harassment, the thing you wrote, victim blaming etc. Have you read the fucking thread??????????Show nested quote +On October 14 2016 17:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 17:26 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 17:07 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist. Compare DJT: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/290121-trump-on-paying-for-infrastructure-projects-well-get-a-fundWith Ryan: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216 I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter. On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0 "This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral." I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech. It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok. lol rape culture ... Yes? Problem with that? Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims. For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares? If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour. and if you can't read the thread, read fucking wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_cultureShow nested quote +Rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. There is disagreement over what defines rape culture and as to whether any societies currently meet the criteria for a rape culture.
Behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual objectification, trivializing rape, denial of widespread rape, refusing to acknowledge the harm caused by some forms of sexual violence, or some combination of these. The notion of rape culture has been used to describe and explain behavior within social groups, including prison rape, and in conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare. Entire societies have been alleged to be rape cultures. Or fucking google definition: Show nested quote +Rape culture is a term that was coined by feminists in the United States in the 197's. It was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assaults and normalized male sexual violence Are you THAT thick? Look, stop talking to me, I'm simply not interested in both your opinions and your input about what I say, and I'll get banned out of sheer rage at how dumb the discussions are.
Literally the second sentence from wikipedia:
'There is disagreement over what defines rape culture and as to whether any societies currently meet the criteria for a rape culture.'
His point was that it can as broad as one wants to make it, and it seems like people can't agree on what it is. When things can mean anything, they mean nothing.
'RAINN, one of North America's leading anti-sexual violence organizations, in a report detailing recommendations to the White House on combating rape on college campuses, identifies problems with an overemphasis on the concept of rape culture as a means of preventing rape and as a cause for rape, saying, "In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming 'rape culture' for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime."'
Even RAINN, where you quoted from originally says it's overblown and not a cultural thing.
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