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On October 14 2016 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Trump back in front with the latest Rasmussen poll.
So nothing has changed?
Clinton was up +5 two days previously. Looks like trumps support is growing after his debate victory.
BTW watch out for selection bias.The NBC/WSJ poll released after the debate was quite poor in this regard. Poll showed a 9 point lead to Clinton but with a 6 point difference in favour of strong democrat over strong republican and a 1 point difference in favour of lean democrat over lean republican. Raw data, original document : https://www.scribd.com/document/327216789/Public-161027-NBCWSJ-October-N900-Poll-10-11-RELEASE
Which was taken into account in 538's pollster rankings. Rasmussen doesn't come close unfortunately.
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics.
The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist.
I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
On October 14 2016 17:26 WhiteDog wrote:... I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter. ...
While I wish it didn't, the fact that Trump still has a 14-15% chance (according to 538, anyway) to become the next president of the United States matters a lot.
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics.
The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist.
I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
lol rape culture ...
Yes?
Problem with that?
Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims.
For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares?
If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour.
On October 14 2016 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Trump back in front with the latest Rasmussen poll.
So nothing has changed?
Clinton was up +5 two days previously. Looks like trumps support is growing after his debate victory.
BTW watch out for selection bias.The NBC/WSJ poll released after the debate was quite poor in this regard. Poll showed a 9 point lead to Clinton but with a 6 point difference in favour of strong democrat over strong republican and a 1 point difference in favour of lean democrat over lean republican. Raw data, original document : https://www.scribd.com/document/327216789/Public-161027-NBCWSJ-October-N900-Poll-10-11-RELEASE
What victory?
Do you live in a parallel universe?
I'm not completely sure that you are at the same place of the multiverse than the rest of us, so let me explain you: everyone except you and Breitbart considers that Trump lost the second debate, and his chances to win the election are 14% according to 538.
Silver said that to win, he would have to pull the one biggest comeback in american election history, in a minefield of scandals.
Look, I get it that it's the way you guys opperate, but it's really sad to see you simply reshaping reality all the time, and more importantly, we can't argue with you, because you simply start from facts that are not true. So instead of going to the meat of the subject, it's you claiming insane delusionnal stuff and us saying it's factually wrong.
I URGE you to go on the internets and instead of getting your news from Breitbart and team trump, to read serious newspapers. The New York Times. The Washington Post. The Times. The Guardian. The finantial Times.
Really, you'll be surprised.
538, thats the site that had Clinton at 99% chance to win the Michigan primary? Do they calculate their chance to win based on selection biased polls like the one i linked previously? Unless you want to argue a 6% difference in strong democrat v strong republican will not show a difference in the final poll?
On October 14 2016 17:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 14 2016 10:59 Plansix wrote:
On October 14 2016 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Trump back in front with the latest Rasmussen poll.
So nothing has changed?
Clinton was up +5 two days previously. Looks like trumps support is growing after his debate victory.
BTW watch out for selection bias.The NBC/WSJ poll released after the debate was quite poor in this regard. Poll showed a 9 point lead to Clinton but with a 6 point difference in favour of strong democrat over strong republican and a 1 point difference in favour of lean democrat over lean republican. Raw data, original document : https://www.scribd.com/document/327216789/Public-161027-NBCWSJ-October-N900-Poll-10-11-RELEASE
What victory?
Do you live in a parallel universe?
I'm not completely sure that you are at the same place of the multiverse than the rest of us, so let me explain you: everyone except you and Breitbart considers that Trump lost the second debate, and his chances to win the election are 14% according to 538.
Silver said that to win, he would have to pull the one biggest comeback in american election history, in a minefield of scandals.
Look, I get it that it's the way you guys opperate, but it's really sad to see you simply reshaping reality all the time, and more importantly, we can't argue with you, because you simply start from facts that are not true. So instead of going to the meat of the subject, it's you claiming insane delusionnal stuff and us saying it's factually wrong.
I URGE you to go on the internets and instead of getting your news from Breitbart and team trump, to read serious newspapers. The New York Times. The Washington Post. The Times. The Guardian. The finantial Times.
Really, you'll be surprised.
538, thats the site that had Clinton at 99% chance to win the Michigan primary? Do they calculate their chance to win based on selection biased polls like the one i linked previously? Unless you want to argue a 6% difference in strong democrat v strong republican will not show a difference in the final poll?
The site that predicted 51/51 and 50/51 last two elections yes.
They are an aggregator. You can chose to believe the one poll out if hundred that is the most notoriously biased for Republicans and feel better about it, but then go discuss it on a Trump subreddit. Rasmussen is something like 5 points biased, and absolutely everyone acknowledges it.
If you want a serious conversation, look at what polls in general are saying, which is that Trump is doing abysmally. I don't think anyone is interested about you guy's self delusionnal trips.
On October 14 2016 17:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 14 2016 10:59 Plansix wrote:
On October 14 2016 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Trump back in front with the latest Rasmussen poll.
So nothing has changed?
Clinton was up +5 two days previously. Looks like trumps support is growing after his debate victory.
BTW watch out for selection bias.The NBC/WSJ poll released after the debate was quite poor in this regard. Poll showed a 9 point lead to Clinton but with a 6 point difference in favour of strong democrat over strong republican and a 1 point difference in favour of lean democrat over lean republican. Raw data, original document : https://www.scribd.com/document/327216789/Public-161027-NBCWSJ-October-N900-Poll-10-11-RELEASE
What victory?
Do you live in a parallel universe?
I'm not completely sure that you are at the same place of the multiverse than the rest of us, so let me explain you: everyone except you and Breitbart considers that Trump lost the second debate, and his chances to win the election are 14% according to 538.
Silver said that to win, he would have to pull the one biggest comeback in american election history, in a minefield of scandals.
Look, I get it that it's the way you guys opperate, but it's really sad to see you simply reshaping reality all the time, and more importantly, we can't argue with you, because you simply start from facts that are not true. So instead of going to the meat of the subject, it's you claiming insane delusionnal stuff and us saying it's factually wrong.
I URGE you to go on the internets and instead of getting your news from Breitbart and team trump, to read serious newspapers. The New York Times. The Washington Post. The Times. The Guardian. The finantial Times.
Really, you'll be surprised.
538, thats the site that had Clinton at 99% chance to win the Michigan primary? Do they calculate their chance to win based on selection biased polls like the one i linked previously? Unless you want to argue a 6% difference in strong democrat v strong republican will not show a difference in the final poll?
Try again.
The model weights each poll by its sample size, how recently it was conducted, and the historical accuracy and methodology of the polling firm. The model then adjusts each poll based on other factors.
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics.
The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist.
I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
lol rape culture ...
Yes?
Problem with that?
Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims.
For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares?
If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour.
You are seriously saying that I am normalizing rape ? You have cheese in the brain or you're just young and decided to accept a flawed concept to sleep with some feminist ? The idea that modern society consider rape as "normal" (vs pathological) is a joke. Sure, a minority can blame rape on the victim, most people don't - which is why it's not a "rape culture". Plus it just completly contredict reality, which is that rape victims, for the majority, belong to the same familly as the agressor.
On October 14 2016 17:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 17:26 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 17:07 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics.
The only place policy is actually debated is within Democratic circles. You can't argue policy with Trump. HRC proposed a big infrastructure spending bill, and then DJT said he would double it! DJT pretends he isn't a Republican and that Paul didn't just come out with a big budget cutting budget plan. You can't argue policy with such a fabulist.
I totally agree on the idea that Trump is responsible for this. Maybe I expect people to acknowledge he is a clown and move on to talk about what actually matter.
On October 14 2016 17:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:56 WhiteDog wrote:
On October 14 2016 14:08 JW_DTLA wrote:
On October 14 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote: Haven't followed the thread much yesterday so I've got no idea if the Michelle speech has been posted but it was pretty great, best one of the election imo
I just watched it after work. I teared up. Michelle: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
I am now watching the DJT Florida speech in full. DJT literally can't say a true thing. He has gone completely Assange/Wikileaks. DJT doesn't even bother to offer counter evidence to all the accusers. All he has is "false smears" and "lies". He talks and talks about everyone in the world is lying about him, but he won't sue anyone. Can't his goons see this? + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3hJjWTLRB0
"This is so bad, this is so sad, Trump is obscene and brag about gropping women. He is so bad. Moral, moral, moral, moral, moral."
I'm not defending Trump at all, especially if he actually did what he was bragging about. But the fact is that a campaign that has nothing to say aside than talking about the moral of its candidates is a failed campaign. It's the degree 0 of politics. And this is somewhat described as a great speech.
It's not just "moral". Sexism and rape culture are among the n.1 pronlems of today's society. I know that in France we are veeeeery tolerant to people's private life, but the fact that the president might be a sexist pig who brag about sexual aggressions is not ok.
lol rape culture ...
Yes?
Problem with that?
Let me explain to you: rape culture is the way rape, sexual assault and predatory sexual practices are normalized and/or blamed on the victims.
For example, a us nominee brags about sexually assaulting women and is reported having had all kind of extremely disturbing behaviour (walking in the naked beauty pageant backrooms) and you just dismiss it as "moral moral moral" because it doesn't really matter. If you heard he had broken the law another way and bragged about it, you would find it serious. But it's just sexual assault so who cares?
If you have problem with understanding the term, just look at your behaviour.
You are seriously saying that I am normalizing rape ? You have cheese in the brain or you're just young and decided to accept a flawed concept to sleep with some feminist ? The idea that modern society consider rape as "normal" (vs pathological) is a joke. Sure, a minority can blame rape on the victim, most people don't - which is why it's not a "rape culture". Plus it just completly contredict reality, which is that rape victims, for the majority, belong to the same familly as the agressor.
Read again, the term rape culture is about rape but also sexual assault and sexually predatory practices. Snd yes, they are normalized, and i can illustrate that by the fact that you just answer "moral moral moral" when someone talks about the potential president sexually assaulting women and bragging about it. It's not "moral". It's the fucking law and those are fucking assault on real people.
And if you think rape cilture doesn't exist, that rape or sexual assaults are like any ither offense and that people don't dismiss then, you haven't been paying attention.
What the fuck with the "sleeping with some feminist"?
Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
On October 14 2016 17:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 14 2016 16:38 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 14 2016 10:59 Plansix wrote:
On October 14 2016 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Trump back in front with the latest Rasmussen poll.
So nothing has changed?
Clinton was up +5 two days previously. Looks like trumps support is growing after his debate victory.
BTW watch out for selection bias.The NBC/WSJ poll released after the debate was quite poor in this regard. Poll showed a 9 point lead to Clinton but with a 6 point difference in favour of strong democrat over strong republican and a 1 point difference in favour of lean democrat over lean republican. Raw data, original document : https://www.scribd.com/document/327216789/Public-161027-NBCWSJ-October-N900-Poll-10-11-RELEASE
What victory?
Do you live in a parallel universe?
I'm not completely sure that you are at the same place of the multiverse than the rest of us, so let me explain you: everyone except you and Breitbart considers that Trump lost the second debate, and his chances to win the election are 14% according to 538.
Silver said that to win, he would have to pull the one biggest comeback in american election history, in a minefield of scandals.
Look, I get it that it's the way you guys opperate, but it's really sad to see you simply reshaping reality all the time, and more importantly, we can't argue with you, because you simply start from facts that are not true. So instead of going to the meat of the subject, it's you claiming insane delusionnal stuff and us saying it's factually wrong.
I URGE you to go on the internets and instead of getting your news from Breitbart and team trump, to read serious newspapers. The New York Times. The Washington Post. The Times. The Guardian. The finantial Times.
Really, you'll be surprised.
538, thats the site that had Clinton at 99% chance to win the Michigan primary? Do they calculate their chance to win based on selection biased polls like the one i linked previously? Unless you want to argue a 6% difference in strong democrat v strong republican will not show a difference in the final poll?
The site that predicted 51/51 and 50/51 last two elections yes.
They are an aggregator. You can chose to believe the one poll out if hundred that is the most notoriously biased for Republicans and feel better about it, but then go discuss it on a Trump subreddit. Rasmussen is something like 5 points biased, and absolutely everyone acknowledges it.
If you want a serious conversation, look at what polls in general are saying, which is that Trump is doing abysmally. I don't think anyone is interested about you guy's self delusionnal trips.
To be fair, LA Times poll is even more Republican biased due to their just 1 respondant who fits their 18-21 year old, black males group from Illinois who just happens to vote Republican and thus gets weighted up to account for their lack of respondents in said group to make up what's basicly the assumption that 18-21 year old blacks vote Republican in 100% of the cases
That being said, Trump obviously lost the 2nd debate. Clinton increased her lead in pretty much every poll out there up to today (or he didn't win hard enough to counter the tape since he kept losing, whatever you want to call it). But he's gaining a little in a couple polls as of today. That wouldn't be based on the debate anymore though and comes from elsewhere imo.
There's also stuff like this: Ohio OCT. 10-12 Marist College /// Trump +1 that they're upgrading to a +3 Lead for Trump. Yes there's also a +4 for Clinton same timeframe, same state, different pollster but it's not anymore the freefall Trump has had the last couple weeks. At least today. 538 in fact upped his chances to win by 1% or so today
BEIJING (AP) — Hillary Clinton privately said the U.S. would "ring China with missile defense" if the Chinese government failed to curb North Korea's nuclear program, a potential hint at how the former secretary of state would act if elected president.
Clinton's remarks were revealed by WikiLeaks in a hack of the Clinton campaign chairman's personal account. The emails include a document excerpting Clinton's private speech transcripts, which she has refused to release.
BEIJING (AP) — Hillary Clinton privately said the U.S. would "ring China with missile defense" if the Chinese government failed to curb North Korea's nuclear program, a potential hint at how the former secretary of state would act if elected president.
Clinton's remarks were revealed by WikiLeaks in a hack of the Clinton campaign chairman's personal account. The emails include a document excerpting Clinton's private speech transcripts, which she has refused to release.
You mean that Clinton is concerned that the only nation in the world that would throw a nuke for the hell of it, is continuing to develop a nuclear program?
BEIJING (AP) — Hillary Clinton privately said the U.S. would "ring China with missile defense" if the Chinese government failed to curb North Korea's nuclear program, a potential hint at how the former secretary of state would act if elected president.
Clinton's remarks were revealed by WikiLeaks in a hack of the Clinton campaign chairman's personal account. The emails include a document excerpting Clinton's private speech transcripts, which she has refused to release.
You mean that Clinton is concerned that the only nation in the world that would throw a nuke for the hell of it, is continuing to develop a nuclear program?
How shocking.
How would you feel if Russia started setting up a missile defense system in Cuba? Clinton is no JFK.She strikes me as a warmongering sociopath.
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
BEIJING (AP) — Hillary Clinton privately said the U.S. would "ring China with missile defense" if the Chinese government failed to curb North Korea's nuclear program, a potential hint at how the former secretary of state would act if elected president.
Clinton's remarks were revealed by WikiLeaks in a hack of the Clinton campaign chairman's personal account. The emails include a document excerpting Clinton's private speech transcripts, which she has refused to release.
You mean that Clinton is concerned that the only nation in the world that would throw a nuke for the hell of it, is continuing to develop a nuclear program?
How shocking.
I've only ever seen them claim they would use them in self defence against aggressive US policy, really. Where are you getting this "for the hell of it" suggestion?
The director of North Korea's Atomic Energy Institute said the country was ready to counter any US hostility with 'nuclear weapons any time
North Korea says it is ready to use nuclear weapons against the United States and other foes if they pursue "their reckless hostile policy" toward Kim Jong Un's regime.
And why would North Korea having nukes justify building a missile network around China, exactly?
Anyway, should the land of freedom that the US claims to be really chain the world so they can be free?
Besides the fact that building weapon systems around countries is quite clearly military oppression, if you can't see how building missile networks all across the world is a potential recipe for disaster - especially when someone like Trump got so close to the White House - then... well, I really just don't know what then.
BEIJING (AP) — Hillary Clinton privately said the U.S. would "ring China with missile defense" if the Chinese government failed to curb North Korea's nuclear program, a potential hint at how the former secretary of state would act if elected president.
Clinton's remarks were revealed by WikiLeaks in a hack of the Clinton campaign chairman's personal account. The emails include a document excerpting Clinton's private speech transcripts, which she has refused to release.
You mean that Clinton is concerned that the only nation in the world that would throw a nuke for the hell of it, is continuing to develop a nuclear program?
How shocking.
How would you feel if Russia started setting up a missile defense system in Cuba? Clinton is no JFK.She strikes me as a warmongering sociopath. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI
Clearly she is a warmingering psychopath. That's why she and the evil demicrat administration started all those wars, Iraq, Afghanistan.. Oh wait..
On October 14 2016 18:30 WhiteDog wrote: Are you stupid ? At which point did you came to the conclusion that me writing "moral, moral, moral" had anything to do with rape ? If you feel sexism and the masculine domination (much better concept) is an important political problem, then say what you will do to fight against it, not that it's bad and that you need "unity". I've listened to a "great" speech that basically says Trump is bad, Barack does not say such things and Hillary is a team player. And the simple fact that you feel the need to mention that the term rape culture is not only about rape is a good exemple of how flawed this concept can be.
My point is voting against someone and not for someone or a project is a bad idea. Clinton will have legiimacy trouble in power because an important part of its voting base will vote to prevent the idiot to get into power and not for her.
Rape culture is not only about rape.
I wrote it three times. What the fuck is wrong with you can't you read? It's also about sexual assault, and predatory sexual behaviour.
You can think it's a bad name, it doesn't make it less real or a "flawed concept".
Jesus tap dancing christ...
You are missing his actual argument entirely...
On October 14 2016 19:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
BEIJING (AP) — Hillary Clinton privately said the U.S. would "ring China with missile defense" if the Chinese government failed to curb North Korea's nuclear program, a potential hint at how the former secretary of state would act if elected president.
Clinton's remarks were revealed by WikiLeaks in a hack of the Clinton campaign chairman's personal account. The emails include a document excerpting Clinton's private speech transcripts, which she has refused to release.
You mean that Clinton is concerned that the only nation in the world that would throw a nuke for the hell of it, is continuing to develop a nuclear program?
How shocking.
How would you feel if Russia started setting up a missile defense system in Cuba? Clinton is no JFK.She strikes me as a warmongering sociopath. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI
Clearly she is a warmingering psychopath. That's why she and the evil demicrat administration started all those wars, Iraq, Afghanistan.. Oh wait..
On October 14 2016 10:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Looks like trumps support is growing after his debate victory.
I've seen 4 scientific polls (as opposed to widgets on the Drudge Report website or whatever you are referencing) about the debate from Reuters, YouGoV, Politico and NBC. In the YouGov poll he lost by 5 points, in the other three by 10+.
Feel free to provide one that says otherwise, because I can't find any.
Edit: Here's the most recent one from Fox News that I've just seen:
"No matter how you plan to vote, who do you honestly think won the debate?" Likely voters overall: Clinton 48% / Trump 34% Likely voters, debate watchers only: Clinton 52% / Trump 39%
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/10/10/post%20debate%201.jpg)
