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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
July 27 2016 23:26 GMT
#90721
On July 28 2016 08:25 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 08:18 farvacola wrote:
so Trump's AMA is literally not an AMA, that's cute.

as if AMAs on reddit done by any political person are anything else than propaganda and junkfood discourse.

i do wonder however whats up with all these nerds asking about space exploration, lol.

hey man, don't look at me, I fucking hate reddit and literally never go there

In other news, Howard Dean seems to have developed a sense of humor, that's nice to see.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 27 2016 23:29 GMT
#90722
On July 28 2016 08:24 Falling wrote:
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On July 28 2016 08:21 oBlade wrote:
I don't think they want a crowd of HuffPost reporters throwing a wrench in the process while people have actual questions to pose.

It's not just antiTrumps that they are deleting. Milo's Net Neutrality question... actually all of Milo's questions were deleted.

Would kind of defeat the point if they just let verified reporters ask questions in it, I guess, and most of his questions were asked in a less over the top manner by other people.

On July 28 2016 08:24 Plansix wrote:
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On July 28 2016 08:21 oBlade wrote:
I don't think they want a crowd of HuffPost reporters throwing a wrench in the process while people have actual questions to pose.

The Donald can't handle AMA. It is to much for him. Obama can handle it, but not the Donald.

To be fair Obama only did it for about 30 minutes.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11375 Posts
July 27 2016 23:32 GMT
#90723
On July 28 2016 08:29 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 08:24 Falling wrote:
On July 28 2016 08:21 oBlade wrote:
I don't think they want a crowd of HuffPost reporters throwing a wrench in the process while people have actual questions to pose.

It's not just antiTrumps that they are deleting. Milo's Net Neutrality question... actually all of Milo's questions were deleted.

Would kind of defeat the point if they just let verified reporters ask questions in it, I guess, and most of his questions were asked in a less over the top manner by other people.

Oh they don't have to answer him. It's just funny that they are deleting him, but maybe it's hard to ignore when a comment has +1500 upvotes or 3K or 4K upvotes in other cases.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2016 23:34 GMT
#90724
I think the take away is that Obama can handle the internet and reddit, Trump can't. Can't even handle Milo. Though who would really want to interact with Milo?
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5771 Posts
July 27 2016 23:37 GMT
#90725
On July 28 2016 08:25 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 08:18 farvacola wrote:
so Trump's AMA is literally not an AMA, that's cute.

as if AMAs on reddit done by any political person are anything else than propaganda and junkfood discourse.

i do wonder however whats up with all these nerds asking about space exploration, lol.

It would actually be a good issue for him to pick up because it's been up in the air since Bush. Nobody will commit to rebuilding NASA and ending the waste.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1947 Posts
July 27 2016 23:44 GMT
#90726
On July 28 2016 08:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 07:53 Broetchenholer wrote:
On July 28 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:51 travis wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:43 travis wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:41 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
This is a really interesting article


People shouldn't underestimate the role that these sentiments play in Trump's level of support. One of the sweetest parts of a Trump victory will be licking the tears off of the faces of the snooty PC crowd.


so are you an anarchist or do you actually believe that trump's presidency will be good for the U.S. during trump's presidency?

I have selected the giant douche over the turd sandwich. God knows that Trump isn't my ideal candidate, but there are enough silver linings to his election such that I greatly prefer him to Hillary.


Can you give a quick summary on a few points of what you think Hillary will do that is so bad?

or this goes to any of the other trump "supporters" as well


Here are a few things off the top of my head:

1) Hillary is demonstrably inept. Her foreign policy record is an absolute wreck as has been chronicled extensively in this thread. When I was listening to Bill Clinton talk about her "record of success" last night, my thought was that she probably should have stuck to working on smaller ticket items.

2) I would much rather Trump pick Supreme Court justices than Hillary.

3) I don't trust Hillary to not be a corrupt shill to outside interests. No, she has not been convicted of corruption (or even charged), but one simply can't sweep her extensive history of shady dealings under the rug. Whether she did anything wrong or not, the optics are beyond terrible and can't be ignored.


So you don't trust Hillary over Trump on foreign policy, where Trump stated he likes Putin, wants to deny help to NATO states, bomb everybody he does not like, kill thew families of "enemies", torture those that survive, all the while being super isolationist, have his allies pay him money for protection etc etc

And then you don't trust Hillary over Trump on corruption and independence, when Trump has sold his name to literally anything that is willing to pay, did Trump University and whenever he says something, it might just be completely false and he knows it's false. You have to be incredibly biased to condemn Hillary on those points but not Trump.


The difference between me and you is that I pay careful attention to what Trump says and don't read bullshit into his statements or take things out of context. Your recitation of Trump's stated foreign policy is too off base to even warrant a response.

As for the relative corruption between the two candidates, you can't dismiss the simple fact that Trump has done what he has done as a businessman acting in his best interests. The Clintons have done what they have done under the color of governmental office. Huge difference.


Really? You do realize, the stuff Trump says is about the only thing that we from over the pond are hearing. His quotes are the things we see, we don't have to read anything into them, because there is nothing to read here.

Trump stated he likes Putin because he is such a strong leader. No buts. He stated, if a NATO partner is attacked, he would withhold support if the other side had not done their part before. He stated he would bomb ISIS to the ground. He stated if killing the families of ISIS-warriors was what it takes to win, he would do that. He stated he would bring worse torture then waterboarding back. He stated he would have partners pay money to the US for their protection. I give you that the isolationism is something i read from his statements. Everything else is exactly what he has said. Do i need to link those things in the thread?

Regarding the corruption and shadyness, what tells you he won't do the exact same thing as president if you elect him? You are dealing with a person that has shown a history of shady business practices and you think he will change because the office demands it? His whole campaign has been nothing but telling bullshit and then when called on it doubling down on the lie.

You have to use the same measurement for both candidates.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
July 28 2016 00:01 GMT
#90727
AS a non american I thought the republican convention was super cringy but damn, it's not like this one is saving shots xd
Dating thread on TL LUL
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 28 2016 00:06 GMT
#90728
On July 28 2016 08:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 07:53 Broetchenholer wrote:
On July 28 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:51 travis wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:43 travis wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:41 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
This is a really interesting article

https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/758340701641998341

People shouldn't underestimate the role that these sentiments play in Trump's level of support. One of the sweetest parts of a Trump victory will be licking the tears off of the faces of the snooty PC crowd.


so are you an anarchist or do you actually believe that trump's presidency will be good for the U.S. during trump's presidency?

I have selected the giant douche over the turd sandwich. God knows that Trump isn't my ideal candidate, but there are enough silver linings to his election such that I greatly prefer him to Hillary.


Can you give a quick summary on a few points of what you think Hillary will do that is so bad?

or this goes to any of the other trump "supporters" as well


Here are a few things off the top of my head:

1) Hillary is demonstrably inept. Her foreign policy record is an absolute wreck as has been chronicled extensively in this thread. When I was listening to Bill Clinton talk about her "record of success" last night, my thought was that she probably should have stuck to working on smaller ticket items.

2) I would much rather Trump pick Supreme Court justices than Hillary.

3) I don't trust Hillary to not be a corrupt shill to outside interests. No, she has not been convicted of corruption (or even charged), but one simply can't sweep her extensive history of shady dealings under the rug. Whether she did anything wrong or not, the optics are beyond terrible and can't be ignored.


So you don't trust Hillary over Trump on foreign policy, where Trump stated he likes Putin, wants to deny help to NATO states, bomb everybody he does not like, kill thew families of "enemies", torture those that survive, all the while being super isolationist, have his allies pay him money for protection etc etc

And then you don't trust Hillary over Trump on corruption and independence, when Trump has sold his name to literally anything that is willing to pay, did Trump University and whenever he says something, it might just be completely false and he knows it's false. You have to be incredibly biased to condemn Hillary on those points but not Trump.


The difference between me and you is that I pay careful attention to what Trump says and don't read bullshit into his statements or take things out of context. Your recitation of Trump's stated foreign policy is too off base to even warrant a response.

As for the relative corruption between the two candidates, you can't dismiss the simple fact that Trump has done what he has done as a businessman acting in his best interests. The Clintons have done what they have done under the color of governmental office. Huge difference.

Do you really.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:10:38
July 28 2016 00:09 GMT
#90729
On July 28 2016 09:01 SoSexy wrote:
AS a non american I thought the republican convention was super cringy but damn, it's not like this one is saving shots xd

Are you talking about the people talking about their family members dying to gun violence or were you thinking of something else earlier?
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 28 2016 00:10 GMT
#90730
I missed where this "ImWithNina" trend came from, what happened?
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
July 28 2016 00:17 GMT
#90731
On July 28 2016 09:09 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 09:01 SoSexy wrote:
AS a non american I thought the republican convention was super cringy but damn, it's not like this one is saving shots xd

Are you talking about the people talking about their family members dying to gun violence or were you thinking of something else earlier?


I was talking about the jazzy/chillout music INTRODUCING people taking about their family members dying to gun violence or stuff like that.
Dating thread on TL LUL
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11375 Posts
July 28 2016 00:19 GMT
#90732
On July 28 2016 09:17 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 09:09 Falling wrote:
On July 28 2016 09:01 SoSexy wrote:
AS a non american I thought the republican convention was super cringy but damn, it's not like this one is saving shots xd

Are you talking about the people talking about their family members dying to gun violence or were you thinking of something else earlier?


I was talking about the jazzy/chillout music INTRODUCING people taking about their family members dying to gun violence or stuff like that.

Ah. Good to specify exactly what you were finding cringy in such situations. I'm glad I asked.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:20:59
July 28 2016 00:20 GMT
#90733
Missing the convention because it's been a busy day right now.

From this thread it sounds like all I missed was more identity politics.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 28 2016 00:23 GMT
#90734
On July 28 2016 09:20 LegalLord wrote:
Missing the convention because it's been a busy day right now.

From this thread it sounds like all I missed was more identity politics.

both conventions in a nutshell :D
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:25:10
July 28 2016 00:24 GMT
#90735
Is gun safety laws also identity politics? Because that's what was occurring most recently. If so, identity politics is a large and unwieldy label.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 28 2016 00:26 GMT
#90736
These group karaoke sessions o.o
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 28 2016 00:28 GMT
#90737
I give up on politics
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:32:39
July 28 2016 00:31 GMT
#90738
On July 28 2016 09:24 Falling wrote:
Is gun safety laws also identity politics? Because that's what was occurring most recently. If so, identity politics is a large and unwieldy label.


I find it a bit disturbing that the individual motivations and identities of the shooters were so neatly swept under the rug. I understand such simplification is best for conveying a powerful message, but subsuming them into the collective cry for gun control worries me. Why do these things only serve as launchpads for bigger abstract issues?

Goddamn, the tonal whiplash.

On July 28 2016 09:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I give up on politics


But Kirsten Bell was soooooo adorable.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:34:08
July 28 2016 00:33 GMT
#90739
Democrats playing Reagan clips now what is happening this election

On July 28 2016 09:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 09:24 Falling wrote:
Is gun safety laws also identity politics? Because that's what was occurring most recently. If so, identity politics is a large and unwieldy label.


I find it a bit disturbing that the individual motivations and identities of the shooters were so neatly swept under the rug. I understand such simplification is best for conveying a powerful message, but subsuming them into the collective cry for gun control worries me. Why do these things only serve as launchpads for bigger abstract issues?

Goddamn, the tonal whiplash.

Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 09:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I give up on politics


But Kirsten Bell was soooooo adorable.


Kirsten Bell is always adorable
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 28 2016 00:34 GMT
#90740
But Kirsten Bell was soooooo adorable.


Dude, why'd nobody tell me she's there too? I would've watched, adore her since i saw her with Craig Ferguson. -.-
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