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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:56:03
July 28 2016 00:47 GMT
#90741
For those who missed it:



DNC in a nutshell
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:49:55
July 28 2016 00:47 GMT
#90742
On July 28 2016 09:20 LegalLord wrote:
Missing the convention because it's been a busy day right now.

From this thread it sounds like all I missed was more identity politics.

They now have military folks coming out to speak for Clinton's decision making and against Trump's quotes regarding targeting terrorist families and torture. Now former CIA director and Secretary of Defence.
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 28 2016 00:48 GMT
#90743
It's fascinating how often the DNC speakers are co-opting both past Republican rhetoric and their traditional principles.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:56:46
July 28 2016 00:50 GMT
#90744
On July 28 2016 09:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
For those who missed it:

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/758463152698851328


God I love American politics lol
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
July 28 2016 00:53 GMT
#90745
They should just remake this ad:

"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 00:55:52
July 28 2016 00:55 GMT
#90746
On July 28 2016 09:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:
It's fascinating how often the DNC speakers are co-opting both past Republican rhetoric and their traditional principles.


The Democrats do this regularly. Despite being the "anti-war peace party," they know most Americans don't want a weak America. Notice how they've been talking up America all these nights. When they actually need votes, the trash talk is suddenly much quieter.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 28 2016 00:58 GMT
#90747
On July 28 2016 09:47 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 09:20 LegalLord wrote:
Missing the convention because it's been a busy day right now.

From this thread it sounds like all I missed was more identity politics.

They now have military folks coming out to speak for Clinton's decision making and against Trump's quotes regarding targeting terrorist families and torture. Now former CIA director and Secretary of Defence.

I hope John Rambo McCain comes out and praises her for her top notch FP decision making.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 01:04 GMT
#90748
Biden is so much more fun than Kaine.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 01:06:30
July 28 2016 01:04 GMT
#90749
On July 28 2016 08:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 07:53 Broetchenholer wrote:
On July 28 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:51 travis wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:49 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:43 travis wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:41 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
This is a really interesting article


People shouldn't underestimate the role that these sentiments play in Trump's level of support. One of the sweetest parts of a Trump victory will be licking the tears off of the faces of the snooty PC crowd.


so are you an anarchist or do you actually believe that trump's presidency will be good for the U.S. during trump's presidency?

I have selected the giant douche over the turd sandwich. God knows that Trump isn't my ideal candidate, but there are enough silver linings to his election such that I greatly prefer him to Hillary.


Can you give a quick summary on a few points of what you think Hillary will do that is so bad?

or this goes to any of the other trump "supporters" as well


Here are a few things off the top of my head:

1) Hillary is demonstrably inept. Her foreign policy record is an absolute wreck as has been chronicled extensively in this thread. When I was listening to Bill Clinton talk about her "record of success" last night, my thought was that she probably should have stuck to working on smaller ticket items.

2) I would much rather Trump pick Supreme Court justices than Hillary.

3) I don't trust Hillary to not be a corrupt shill to outside interests. No, she has not been convicted of corruption (or even charged), but one simply can't sweep her extensive history of shady dealings under the rug. Whether she did anything wrong or not, the optics are beyond terrible and can't be ignored.


So you don't trust Hillary over Trump on foreign policy, where Trump stated he likes Putin, wants to deny help to NATO states, bomb everybody he does not like, kill thew families of "enemies", torture those that survive, all the while being super isolationist, have his allies pay him money for protection etc etc

And then you don't trust Hillary over Trump on corruption and independence, when Trump has sold his name to literally anything that is willing to pay, did Trump University and whenever he says something, it might just be completely false and he knows it's false. You have to be incredibly biased to condemn Hillary on those points but not Trump.


As for the relative corruption between the two candidates, you can't dismiss the simple fact that Trump has done what he has done as a businessman acting in his best interests. The Clintons have done what they have done under the color of governmental office. Huge difference.


Sorry but this is just naive and simplistic. Trump didn't need to donate to Hillary, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to keep his golf courses and casinos afloat. You say you read carefully and think critically when it comes to Trump, but right here you're parroting an indefensible position. There are plenty of businessmen who don't donate like Trump does. And this goes way back in Trump's career. Being a buyer not a seller of influence is not a moral highground.

I don't know what proof you think you have on the Clintons, but Trump admits to his corruption out in the open, and you're chugging kool aid in response.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 01:08:45
July 28 2016 01:06 GMT
#90750
Seeing this on twitch lol. What is the purpose of these conventions?

American politics are so weird to me. How can people be so fanatical in their fandom for a political candidate? The continuous cheers and wooooo as if they were rockstars? I mean you try to vote for what you agree with but you'll never agree with a politician 100% right? How are people so hyped by them instead of seeing them as people just doing their job? And who will have to compromise everything they say now once they get in office?

And now this insanely melodramatic Joe Biden movie lol. How can people take this serious?

edit: Now running on stage with Rocky training music lmao what a joke
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 28 2016 01:06 GMT
#90751
Has Bloomberg embarrassed Trump yet? That's a speech I want to watch.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 01:10:51
July 28 2016 01:10 GMT
#90752
On July 28 2016 10:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Seeing this on twitch lol. What is the purpose of these conventions?

American politics are so weird to me. How can people be so fanatical in their fandom for a political candidate? The continuous cheers and wooooo as if they were rockstars? I mean you try to vote for what you agree with but you'll never agree with a politician 100% right? How are people so hyped by them instead of seeing them as people just doing their job? And who will have to compromise everything they say now once they get in office?

And now this insanely melodramatic Joe Biden movie lol. How can people take this serious?

edit: Now running on stage with Rocky training music lmao what a joke


I'm not sure. It feels to me that political propaganda have been moving towards establishing personality cults for a long time (but I'm naive when it comes to politics, I'm probably wrong on that hypothesis).
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 28 2016 01:14 GMT
#90753
Joe biden is killing it right now, a genuine speaker
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 01:15 GMT
#90754
On July 28 2016 10:14 biology]major wrote:
Joe biden is killing it right now, a genuine speaker

He'd have wiped the floor with Hillary in a primary.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2016 01:15 GMT
#90755
Has anyone here watched the Trump: What's the Deal? documentary that he sued to shut down in 1991?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 01:18:15
July 28 2016 01:17 GMT
#90756
On July 28 2016 10:15 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 10:14 biology]major wrote:
Joe biden is killing it right now, a genuine speaker

He'd have wiped the floor with Hillary in a primary.


Too old though. I'm no fan of electing people in their mid 70's. Didn't Reagan start to lose his mind at the end of his second term?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 01:18 GMT
#90757
So Wikileaks just dumped a bunch of DNC voicemails.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 28 2016 01:18 GMT
#90758
On July 28 2016 10:15 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 10:14 biology]major wrote:
Joe biden is killing it right now, a genuine speaker

He'd have wiped the floor with Hillary in a primary.

I'm really disappointed he didn't run. He was my man in 2008. He puts his foot in mouth, but I love him for it anyways. He's the sort of straight talker I like.
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
July 28 2016 01:18 GMT
#90759
On July 28 2016 10:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Seeing this on twitch lol. What is the purpose of these conventions?

American politics are so weird to me. How can people be so fanatical in their fandom for a political candidate? The continuous cheers and wooooo as if they were rockstars? I mean you try to vote for what you agree with but you'll never agree with a politician 100% right? How are people so hyped by them instead of seeing people doing their job?

And now this insanely melodramatic Joe Biden movie lol. How can people take this serious?


I feel like it is not make to be taken seriously by the majority of the people, it seems to me like a fan gathering when they collectively say how awesome they all are to get pump for the election. I think the majority of it is more address to the party then the population.

I never watch political convention in Europe, but in Canada when they do their congress there is a bit of that to. But in the US they just push it to 100 and they seems to just leave out all the actual politic, vote, platform debate, grass root organization, ect... of the convention and just keep the show.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 28 2016 01:21 GMT
#90760
On July 28 2016 10:18 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 10:15 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 10:14 biology]major wrote:
Joe biden is killing it right now, a genuine speaker

He'd have wiped the floor with Hillary in a primary.

I'm really disappointed he didn't run. He was my man in 2008. He puts his foot in mouth, but I love him for it anyways. He's the sort of straight talker I like.



He's made me think about it, I'll be voting for Hillary in November.

+ Show Spoiler +
jk but yeah I resonate with his style of speaking, he is one of those 'we' people, always giving credit to his wife and others, rarely saying I
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